Pete Carmichael analytics show you something.

Sinner · 02-01-2024, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Friggin sad when pointing out reality is called making excuses. Teams dealt with injuries better than the Saints did. Some dealt with it worse. If some
Want to say the Jets, For example, didn’t suffer because they had QB injuries I would disagree. Winston getting injured last year and Carr this year both had an impact on the team. Feel free to disagree all you want. It’s a reality, not an excuse.

What about a team like Philly? Weren’t they supposed to be the darlings because they fleeced us in trades and were looking good? Failed down the stretch. The cherry picking of points do bash the team about is ridiculous. Obviously they have flaws. But most teams in the league do…including the two playing for the SB.

One big difference in the “flaws” worth pointing out, is that the two teams with flaws that are in the Super Bowl, are actually IN the Super Bowl, while the Saints are not. Other teams with flaws were in the Playoffs, while the Saints were not. Other teams with flaws are actively and dynamically working to correct those flaws, while the Saints are not. Some Saints Fans keep making excuses for our dismal mismanagement, while some of us are not.

Boston Saint · 02-01-2024, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

One big difference in the “flaws” worth pointing out, is that the two teams with flaws that are in the Super Bowl, are actually IN the Super Bowl, while the Saints are not. Other teams with flaws were in the Playoffs, while the Saints were not. Other teams with flaws are actively and dynamically working to correct those flaws, while the Saints are not. Some Saints Fans keep making excuses for our dismal mismanagement, while some of us are not.

What’s the difference in an “excuse” and a reason?

Boston Saint · 02-01-2024, 02:40 PM

Another thing to point out is the “soft schedule” rhetoric. 4 teams the Saints played won playoff games. That’s noteworthy.

Sinner · 02-01-2024, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Another thing to point out is the “soft schedule” rhetoric. 4 teams the Saints played won playoff games. That’s noteworthy.

What’s noteworthy is that with “all the right people in the building”, there will be pain for Saints Fans again next season, and no amount of excuses or reasons are gonna put enough lipstick on this pig to make it pretty.

Boston Saint · 02-01-2024, 02:49 PM

You could be right. Then again it depends on what one considers a pot of a season. Carolina and New England were hoping for a season as good as the Saints had. Buffalo fans probably are more posses than most.

Sinner · 02-01-2024, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You could be right. Then again it depends on what one considers a pot of a season. Carolina and New England were hoping for a season as good as the Saints had. Buffalo fans probably are more posses than most.

I have never viewed my Saints or Pro Football in general, as a competition between teams that $uck a$$ the least. But here we aren’t.

K Major · 02-01-2024, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Another thing to point out is the “soft schedule” rhetoric. 4 teams the Saints played won playoff games. That’s noteworthy.

I'd say they overachieved with quality coaching, players and depth. Texans & Lions (balling on rookie contracts) come to mind.

Lots of reasons why the Saints failed in 2023 ... coaching is at the top of my list. Taking your foot off the neck of the Packers (blew a big lead), being unprepared coming off a bye week and losing to back up QBs.

IIRC the Saints were relatively healthy most of the season.

Front office better make the right hire at OC, hit on this 2024 draft class & in Free Agency. Saints have work to do.

Duly noted though.

AsylumGuido · 02-01-2024, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

What’s the difference in an “excuse” and a reason?

The term "excuse" is used by persons wanting to demean something in the negative context, while "reason" is used by persons making observations on neutrally based fact while both are referring to the same common factors.

Boston Saint · 02-01-2024, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

I have never viewed my Saints or Pro Football in general, as a competition between teams that $uck a$$ the least. But here we aren’t.

Sure you do. You compared the Saints to Cleveland. So you think the Saints suck ass more than Cleveland does as least.

So what’s your definition of suck ass since you seem so fond of using anal analogies about others.

iceshack149 · 02-01-2024, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'd say they overachieved with quality coaching, players and depth. Texans & Lions (balling on rookie contracts) come to mind.

Lots of reasons why the Saints failed in 2023 ... coaching is at the top of my list. Taking your foot off the neck of the Packers (blew a big lead), being unprepared coming off a bye week and losing to back up QBs.

IIRC the Saints were relatively healthy most of the season.

Front office better make the right hire at OC, hit on this 2024 draft class & in Free Agency. Saints have work to do.

Duly noted though.

The Saints obviously played subpar ball offensively last season. They started slow in most games and the play calling was ineffective. Where were the screen passes?

02-01-2024, 02:32 PM	#41
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Friggin sad when pointing out reality is called making excuses. Teams dealt with injuries better than the Saints did. Some dealt with it worse. If some Want to say the Jets, For example, didn’t suffer because they had QB injuries I would disagree. Winston getting injured last year and Carr this year both had an impact on the team. Feel free to disagree all you want. It’s a reality, not an excuse. What about a team like Philly? Weren’t they supposed to be the darlings because they fleeced us in trades and were looking good? Failed down the stretch. The cherry picking of points do bash the team about is ridiculous. Obviously they have flaws. But most teams in the league do…including the two playing for the SB. One big difference in the “flaws” worth pointing out, is that the two teams with flaws that are in the Super Bowl, are actually IN the Super Bowl, while the Saints are not. Other teams with flaws were in the Playoffs, while the Saints were not. Other teams with flaws are actively and dynamically working to correct those flaws, while the Saints are not. Some Saints Fans keep making excuses for our dismal mismanagement, while some of us are not.
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02-01-2024, 02:35 PM	#42
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,876	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Sinner One big difference in the “flaws” worth pointing out, is that the two teams with flaws that are in the Super Bowl, are actually IN the Super Bowl, while the Saints are not. Other teams with flaws were in the Playoffs, while the Saints were not. Other teams with flaws are actively and dynamically working to correct those flaws, while the Saints are not. Some Saints Fans keep making excuses for our dismal mismanagement, while some of us are not. What’s the difference in an “excuse” and a reason?

02-01-2024, 02:40 PM	#43
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,876	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Another thing to point out is the “soft schedule” rhetoric. 4 teams the Saints played won playoff games. That’s noteworthy. K Major likes this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Another thing to point out is the “soft schedule” rhetoric. 4 teams the Saints played won playoff games. That’s noteworthy. What’s noteworthy is that with “all the right people in the building”, there will be pain for Saints Fans again next season, and no amount of excuses or reasons are gonna put enough lipstick on this pig to make it pretty. K Major likes this.
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Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,876	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. You could be right. Then again it depends on what one considers a pot of a season. Carolina and New England were hoping for a season as good as the Saints had. Buffalo fans probably are more posses than most.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Boston Saint You could be right. Then again it depends on what one considers a pot of a season. Carolina and New England were hoping for a season as good as the Saints had. Buffalo fans probably are more posses than most. I have never viewed my Saints or Pro Football in general, as a competition between teams that $uck a$$ the least. But here we aren’t.
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02-01-2024, 03:04 PM	#47
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,060 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Boston Saint Another thing to point out is the “soft schedule” rhetoric. 4 teams the Saints played won playoff games. That’s noteworthy. I'd say they overachieved with quality coaching, players and depth. Texans & Lions (balling on rookie contracts) come to mind. Lots of reasons why the Saints failed in 2023 ... coaching is at the top of my list. Taking your foot off the neck of the Packers (blew a big lead), being unprepared coming off a bye week and losing to back up QBs. IIRC the Saints were relatively healthy most of the season. Front office better make the right hire at OC, hit on this 2024 draft class & in Free Agency. Saints have work to do. Duly noted though. iceshack149, jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Boston Saint What’s the difference in an “excuse” and a reason? The term "excuse" is used by persons wanting to demean something in the negative context, while "reason" is used by persons making observations on neutrally based fact while both are referring to the same common factors. Boston Saint likes this.

02-01-2024, 03:07 PM	#49
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,876	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Sinner I have never viewed my Saints or Pro Football in general, as a competition between teams that $uck a$$ the least. But here we aren’t. Sure you do. You compared the Saints to Cleveland. So you think the Saints suck ass more than Cleveland does as least. So what’s your definition of suck ass since you seem so fond of using anal analogies about others.

02-01-2024, 03:17 PM	#50
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,093 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by K Major I'd say they overachieved with quality coaching, players and depth. Texans & Lions (balling on rookie contracts) come to mind. Lots of reasons why the Saints failed in 2023 ... coaching is at the top of my list. Taking your foot off the neck of the Packers (blew a big lead), being unprepared coming off a bye week and losing to back up QBs. IIRC the Saints were relatively healthy most of the season. Front office better make the right hire at OC, hit on this 2024 draft class & in Free Agency. Saints have work to do. Duly noted though. The Saints obviously played subpar ball offensively last season. They started slow in most games and the play calling was ineffective. Where were the screen passes? SmashMouth, K Major and Boston Saint like this.