Pete Carmichael analytics show you something.

SmashMouth · 02-01-2024, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Much like a meme that makes you laugh way harder than it should this is intriguing the crap out pf me. If I am Gayle, I am on a plane to Denver to buy Sean dinner and ask him what I am missing? Why did he really leave?

Gayle just let go of an 18 year employee because she was led to believe he was the roadblock to the teams success. Only to wake up to the person that arguably knows his talents best but owes him nothing picking him up.

Lets assume Pete is as useless as we've tried to believe. This would make Sean an idiot and does not explain the success they had together in New Orleans. Drew might explain that but I struggle with it being a 1 man show.

Lets assume Pete is as good as Sean thinks he is. Did Pete just tank a season to get out of New Orleans? What is so bad in New Orleans that he would do that? How did Dennis Allen not see it and allow it to happen? I have so many questions and they all have very dark implications.

SP is the play caller and the true OC. Pete is the guy that handles laminating the play call sheet SP uses on the sidelines?

Good for Pete Carmichael, though. We wish him well.

AsylumGuido · 02-01-2024, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

SP is the play caller and the true OC. Pete is the guy that handles laminating the play call sheet SP uses on the sidelines?

Good for Pete Carmichael, though. We wish him well.

Just saw your reply. Carmichael definitely has his strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately his strengths seem to be tied to Payton. Yes, I wish him well, as well.

TheOak · 02-01-2024, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

SP is the play caller and the true OC. Pete is the guy that handles laminating the play call sheet SP uses on the sidelines?

Good for Pete Carmichael, though. We wish him well.

Yes great for Pete. Great for anyone that can manage to maintain a career in that league. Will be interesting to see what his role will be as Denver has not jetted Joseph Lombardi.

AsylumGuido · 02-01-2024, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yes great for Pete. Great for anyone that can manage to maintain a career in that league. Will be interesting to see what his role will be as Denver has not jetted Joseph Lombardi.

Carmichael's title is that of Senior Offensive Assistant. Sounds like he'll be joining Payton back in the lab brewing up new plays.

AsylumGuido · 02-01-2024, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Much like a meme that makes you laugh way harder than it should this is intriguing the crap out pf me. If I am Gayle, I am on a plane to Denver to buy Sean dinner and ask him what I am missing? Why did he really leave?

Gayle just let go of an 18 year employee because she was led to believe he was the roadblock to the teams success. Only to wake up to the person that arguably knows his talents best but owes him nothing picking him up.

Lets assume Pete is as useless as we've tried to believe. This would make Sean an idiot and does not explain the success they had together in New Orleans. Drew might explain that but I struggle with it being a 1 man show.

Lets assume Pete is as good as Sean thinks he is. Did Pete just tank a season to get out of New Orleans? What is so bad in New Orleans that he would do that? How did Dennis Allen not see it and allow it to happen? I have so many questions and they all have very dark implications.

Carmichael's failure as the Saints OC was the result of his play calling and what I suspect was his play design. With Payton, and Brees, he reportedly contributed to the designing of those amazing plays that Payton called and Brees executed. From what I have read and heard from others, including Brees, Carmichael contributed greatly to those design sessions. Over the past couple of seasons he was missing his creative partners. He was Rodgers without Hammerstein, Bernie Taupin without Elton John, or Larry without Moe and Curly.

I do not believe it was anything as nefarious as you appear to presume. I believe that Pete Carmichael simply doesn't have it in him to do it on his own. We all should remember correctly that Carmichael did show a certain hesitancy assuming the full duties of OC when Payton left.

Boston Saint · 02-01-2024, 11:59 AM

I probably won’t be able to think of a good way to phrase my thoughts without someone coming down on me, but I’ll give it a try.

I think an overlooked part of the “downfall” has been injury…especially to the QBs as a result of injuries and poor play by the Oline. The team finished well(top 10 I think) in scoring by the end of the year. IMO That’s partially because Carr finally got relatively healthy by the last 5 or so games of the season. He seemed to finally have developed a good chemistry with his three young WRs.

The Oline couldn’t maintain a run game. That severely limited playcalling. I believe Carr has mentioned in the past that switching OCs in the past was a hindrance…so here he goes again with a new OC and new system.

I don’t know if Charmical is good or not. Obviously SP thinks he is. I’m Not even sad that he’s gone. I’m just pointing ideas out.

As far as the team missing out on someone they wanted, that could also be so. But they also could be waiting for someone on the Niners or KCs staff. At least for an interview. Seems there are still good candidates available.

Sinner · 02-01-2024, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I probably won’t be able to think of a good way to phrase my thoughts without someone coming down on me, but I’ll give it a try.

I think an overlooked part of the “downfall” has been injury…especially to the QBs as a result of injuries and poor play by the Oline. The team finished well(top 10 I think) in scoring by the end of the year. IMO That’s partially because Carr finally got relatively healthy by the last 5 or so games of the season. He seemed to finally have developed a good chemistry with his three young WRs.

The Oline couldn’t maintain a run game. That severely limited playcalling. I believe Carr has mentioned in the past that switching OCs in the past was a hindrance…so here he goes again with a new OC and new system.

I don’t know if Charmical is good or not. Obviously SP thinks he is. I’m Not even sad that he’s gone. I’m just pointing ideas out.

As far as the team missing out on someone they wanted, that could also be so. But they also could be waiting for someone on the Niners or KCs staff. At least for an interview. Seems there are still good candidates available.

And we need a new Head Coach.

K Major · 02-01-2024, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I probably won’t be able to think of a good way to phrase my thoughts without someone coming down on me, but I’ll give it a try.

I think an overlooked part of the “downfall” has been injury…especially to the QBs as a result of injuries and poor play by the Oline. The team finished well(top 10 I think) in scoring by the end of the year. IMO That’s partially because Carr finally got relatively healthy by the last 5 or so games of the season.

Didn’t the Browns lose their stud RB (Chubb) in week 2? Then lose a stud TACKLE (Conklin)? Then have to call on old man Flacco @ QB?

I don’t believe any NFL team was hit as bad with injuries than the Browns yet they found a way in to post season.

Saints couldn’t even capitalize on having a soft schedule.

Yet here we are … again.

Sinner · 02-01-2024, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Didn’t the Browns lose their stud RB (Chubb) in week 2? Then lose a stud TACKLE (Conklin)? Then have to call on old man Flacco @ QB?

I don’t believe any NFL team was hit as bad with injuries than the Browns yet they found a way in to post season.

Saints couldn’t even capitalize on having a soft schedule.

Yet here we are … again.

Excuses have been like gnats flying around, defending mosquitoes who have been defending poor management and coaching for two years now. Wait until next year, and watch the cycle repeat.

Boston Saint · 02-01-2024, 02:20 PM

Friggin sad when pointing out reality is called making excuses. Teams dealt with injuries better than the Saints did. Some dealt with it worse. If some
Want to say the Jets, For example, didn’t suffer because they had QB injuries I would disagree. Winston getting injured last year and Carr this year both had an impact on the team. Feel free to disagree all you want. It’s a reality, not an excuse.

What about a team like Philly? Weren’t they supposed to be the darlings because they fleeced us in trades and were looking good? Failed down the stretch. The cherry picking of points do bash the team about is ridiculous. Obviously they have flaws. But most teams in the league do…including the two playing for the SB.

02-01-2024, 07:15 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,794 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by TheOak Much like a meme that makes you laugh way harder than it should this is intriguing the crap out pf me. If I am Gayle, I am on a plane to Denver to buy Sean dinner and ask him what I am missing? Why did he really leave? Gayle just let go of an 18 year employee because she was led to believe he was the roadblock to the teams success. Only to wake up to the person that arguably knows his talents best but owes him nothing picking him up. Lets assume Pete is as useless as we've tried to believe. This would make Sean an idiot and does not explain the success they had together in New Orleans. Drew might explain that but I struggle with it being a 1 man show. Lets assume Pete is as good as Sean thinks he is. Did Pete just tank a season to get out of New Orleans? What is so bad in New Orleans that he would do that? How did Dennis Allen not see it and allow it to happen? I have so many questions and they all have very dark implications. SP is the play caller and the true OC. Pete is the guy that handles laminating the play call sheet SP uses on the sidelines? Good for Pete Carmichael, though. We wish him well. AsylumGuido likes this.

02-01-2024, 08:06 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by SmashMouth SP is the play caller and the true OC. Pete is the guy that handles laminating the play call sheet SP uses on the sidelines? Good for Pete Carmichael, though. We wish him well. Just saw your reply. Carmichael definitely has his strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately his strengths seem to be tied to Payton. Yes, I wish him well, as well.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by SmashMouth SP is the play caller and the true OC. Pete is the guy that handles laminating the play call sheet SP uses on the sidelines? Good for Pete Carmichael, though. We wish him well. Yes great for Pete. Great for anyone that can manage to maintain a career in that league. Will be interesting to see what his role will be as Denver has not jetted Joseph Lombardi. K Major likes this.

02-01-2024, 08:56 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by TheOak Yes great for Pete. Great for anyone that can manage to maintain a career in that league. Will be interesting to see what his role will be as Denver has not jetted Joseph Lombardi. Carmichael's title is that of Senior Offensive Assistant. Sounds like he'll be joining Payton back in the lab brewing up new plays.

02-01-2024, 08:03 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by TheOak Much like a meme that makes you laugh way harder than it should this is intriguing the crap out pf me. If I am Gayle, I am on a plane to Denver to buy Sean dinner and ask him what I am missing? Why did he really leave? Gayle just let go of an 18 year employee because she was led to believe he was the roadblock to the teams success. Only to wake up to the person that arguably knows his talents best but owes him nothing picking him up. Lets assume Pete is as useless as we've tried to believe. This would make Sean an idiot and does not explain the success they had together in New Orleans. Drew might explain that but I struggle with it being a 1 man show. Lets assume Pete is as good as Sean thinks he is. Did Pete just tank a season to get out of New Orleans? What is so bad in New Orleans that he would do that? How did Dennis Allen not see it and allow it to happen? I have so many questions and they all have very dark implications. Carmichael's failure as the Saints OC was the result of his play calling and what I suspect was his play design. With Payton, and Brees, he reportedly contributed to the designing of those amazing plays that Payton called and Brees executed. From what I have read and heard from others, including Brees, Carmichael contributed greatly to those design sessions. Over the past couple of seasons he was missing his creative partners. He was Rodgers without Hammerstein, Bernie Taupin without Elton John, or Larry without Moe and Curly. I do not believe it was anything as nefarious as you appear to presume. I believe that Pete Carmichael simply doesn't have it in him to do it on his own. We all should remember correctly that Carmichael did show a certain hesitancy assuming the full duties of OC when Payton left.
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02-01-2024, 11:59 AM	#6
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02-01-2024, 12:27 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by Boston Saint I probably won’t be able to think of a good way to phrase my thoughts without someone coming down on me, but I’ll give it a try. I think an overlooked part of the “downfall” has been injury…especially to the QBs as a result of injuries and poor play by the Oline. The team finished well(top 10 I think) in scoring by the end of the year. IMO That’s partially because Carr finally got relatively healthy by the last 5 or so games of the season. He seemed to finally have developed a good chemistry with his three young WRs. The Oline couldn’t maintain a run game. That severely limited playcalling. I believe Carr has mentioned in the past that switching OCs in the past was a hindrance…so here he goes again with a new OC and new system. I don’t know if Charmical is good or not. Obviously SP thinks he is. I’m Not even sad that he’s gone. I’m just pointing ideas out. As far as the team missing out on someone they wanted, that could also be so. But they also could be waiting for someone on the Niners or KCs staff. At least for an interview. Seems there are still good candidates available. And we need a new Head Coach.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Originally Posted by K Major Didn’t the Browns lose their stud RB (Chubb) in week 2? Then lose a stud TACKLE (Conklin)? Then have to call on old man Flacco @ QB? I don’t believe any NFL team was hit as bad with injuries than the Browns yet they found a way in to post season. Saints couldn’t even capitalize on having a soft schedule. Yet here we are … again. Excuses have been like gnats flying around, defending mosquitoes who have been defending poor management and coaching for two years now. Wait until next year, and watch the cycle repeat. K Major likes this.
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02-01-2024, 02:20 PM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Pete Carmichael analytics show you something. Friggin sad when pointing out reality is called making excuses. Teams dealt with injuries better than the Saints did. Some dealt with it worse. If some Want to say the Jets, For example, didn’t suffer because they had QB injuries I would disagree. Winston getting injured last year and Carr this year both had an impact on the team. Feel free to disagree all you want. It’s a reality, not an excuse. What about a team like Philly? Weren’t they supposed to be the darlings because they fleeced us in trades and were looking good? Failed down the stretch. The cherry picking of points do bash the team about is ridiculous. Obviously they have flaws. But most teams in the league do…including the two playing for the SB. AsylumGuido likes this.
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