Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints

dizzle88 · 12-23-2023, 06:20 PM

I read something that DA would have to win 26 straight games, just to get to .500

If this report about him being safe is true, then Loomis needs to go too.

Sinner · 12-23-2023, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I read something that DA would have to win 26 straight games, just to get to .500

If this report about him being safe is true, then Loomis needs to go too.

We’re basically all indirectly or directly addressing Gayle, who obviously isn’t paying attention. So we’re in for a painful ride.

neugey · 12-23-2023, 06:53 PM

I was talking to my dad yesterday (a Vikings fan) and trying to describe the mess the Saints are in. I told him the Saints are basically the current Mets without the fire sale.

lee909 · 12-23-2023, 07:00 PM

If they want to keep him, it better be for him to over see them getting the cap in order. No-one extending/converting bonus all these older players. If it takes a year or two to clear them out then do it. Get some picks and build for the future. Improve both lines then work from there

hitta · 12-24-2023, 07:54 AM

The defense is honestly getting the job done. Maybe with a different OC things could be different.

saintsfan1976 · 12-24-2023, 08:04 AM

I don't know what fixes this team.

But taking the same approach cannot be the answer.

stickman · 12-24-2023, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

The defense is honestly getting the job done. Maybe with a different OC things could be different.

It couldn't be a whole lot worse.

If we are keeping DA for another year, at least act like you realize things need to be improved. A new offensive coordinator is a good start. Bring someone in when the season is over and let him sit down with our QB and so that they are on the same page from Day 1.

Otherwise, it looks like you are not really trying. Or you suck at what you do. And at this point I am not sure which of those is the truth.

dizzle88 · 12-24-2023, 08:44 AM

The D has looked good against below average teams, but struggled every other time.

Now I'm not saying they are all to blame, because the offense has put them straight back out on the field at an alarming rate, however look at the strong D performances Vs the weak.

Panthers - worst QB and team in the league
Giants - D played well, Giants O line is shocking
Titans - were 2 missed TD catches from beating us
Packers - D had a complete meltdown in the dying stages of the game
Jags - D got worked
Rams - D got worked
Lions - Saints became first team in NFL History to allow 21 points in the first 4 mins
Bucs - worst rushing offense in the league, ran all over us
Falcons - 230 yards rushing on us
Texans - couldn't stop anyone

Problems are everywhere.

The D is old, they are large upfront yet cannot stop the run.
If teams run to the outside, we are slow and our slot corner cannot tackle.
Werner has massively regressed.
Demario is great, but he's been made to look foolish a few times this year by younger runners.
Cam has been nonexistent all year.

K Major · 12-24-2023, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I don't know what fixes this team.

But taking the same approach cannot be the answer.

^^^^^^^ This right here.

lee909 · 12-24-2023, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The D has looked good against below average teams, but struggled every other time.

Now I'm not saying they are all to blame, because the offense has put them straight back out on the field at an alarming rate, however look at the strong D performances Vs the weak.

Panthers - worst QB and team in the league
Giants - D played well, Giants O line is shocking
Titans - were 2 missed TD catches from beating us
Packers - D had a complete meltdown in the dying stages of the game
Jags - D got worked
Rams - D got worked
Lions - Saints became first team in NFL History to allow 21 points in the first 4 mins
Bucs - worst rushing offense in the league, ran all over us
Falcons - 230 yards rushing on us
Texans - couldn't stop anyone

Problems are everywhere.

The D is old, they are large upfront yet cannot stop the run.
If teams run to the outside, we are slow and our slot corner cannot tackle.
Werner has massively regressed.
Demario is great, but he's been made to look foolish a few times this year by younger runners.
Cam has been nonexistent all year.

When your scouts are more focused on a DE measurable being right than can he actually play is why there's no pressure. Davenport,Foskey,Turner. The scouting department t is still living off a draft 5/6 years ago

12-23-2023, 06:20 PM	#11
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,357	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints I read something that DA would have to win 26 straight games, just to get to .500 If this report about him being safe is true, then Loomis needs to go too. Sinner likes this.

12-23-2023, 06:30 PM	#12
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,949	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 I read something that DA would have to win 26 straight games, just to get to .500 If this report about him being safe is true, then Loomis needs to go too. We’re basically all indirectly or directly addressing Gayle, who obviously isn’t paying attention. So we’re in for a painful ride.
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12-23-2023, 06:53 PM	#13
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,714 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints I was talking to my dad yesterday (a Vikings fan) and trying to describe the mess the Saints are in. I told him the Saints are basically the current Mets without the fire sale.

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lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints If they want to keep him, it better be for him to over see them getting the cap in order. No-one extending/converting bonus all these older players. If it takes a year or two to clear them out then do it. Get some picks and build for the future. Improve both lines then work from there

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stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,687	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by hitta The defense is honestly getting the job done. Maybe with a different OC things could be different. It couldn't be a whole lot worse. If we are keeping DA for another year, at least act like you realize things need to be improved. A new offensive coordinator is a good start. Bring someone in when the season is over and let him sit down with our QB and so that they are on the same page from Day 1. Otherwise, it looks like you are not really trying. Or you suck at what you do. And at this point I am not sure which of those is the truth.

12-24-2023, 08:44 AM	#18
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,357	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints The D has looked good against below average teams, but struggled every other time. Now I'm not saying they are all to blame, because the offense has put them straight back out on the field at an alarming rate, however look at the strong D performances Vs the weak. Panthers - worst QB and team in the league Giants - D played well, Giants O line is shocking Titans - were 2 missed TD catches from beating us Packers - D had a complete meltdown in the dying stages of the game Jags - D got worked Rams - D got worked Lions - Saints became first team in NFL History to allow 21 points in the first 4 mins Bucs - worst rushing offense in the league, ran all over us Falcons - 230 yards rushing on us Texans - couldn't stop anyone Problems are everywhere. The D is old, they are large upfront yet cannot stop the run. If teams run to the outside, we are slow and our slot corner cannot tackle. Werner has massively regressed. Demario is great, but he's been made to look foolish a few times this year by younger runners. Cam has been nonexistent all year. MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.
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12-24-2023, 09:39 AM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I don't know what fixes this team. But taking the same approach cannot be the answer. ^^^^^^^ This right here. Sinner likes this.

12-24-2023, 02:00 PM	#20
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,809 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 The D has looked good against below average teams, but struggled every other time. Now I'm not saying they are all to blame, because the offense has put them straight back out on the field at an alarming rate, however look at the strong D performances Vs the weak. Panthers - worst QB and team in the league Giants - D played well, Giants O line is shocking Titans - were 2 missed TD catches from beating us Packers - D had a complete meltdown in the dying stages of the game Jags - D got worked Rams - D got worked Lions - Saints became first team in NFL History to allow 21 points in the first 4 mins Bucs - worst rushing offense in the league, ran all over us Falcons - 230 yards rushing on us Texans - couldn't stop anyone Problems are everywhere. The D is old, they are large upfront yet cannot stop the run. If teams run to the outside, we are slow and our slot corner cannot tackle. Werner has massively regressed. Demario is great, but he's been made to look foolish a few times this year by younger runners. Cam has been nonexistent all year. When your scouts are more focused on a DE measurable being right than can he actually play is why there's no pressure. Davenport,Foskey,Turner. The scouting department t is still living off a draft 5/6 years ago Rugby Saint II, dizzle88 and Sinner like this.