Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints

Rugby Saint II · 12-24-2023, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

When your scouts are more focused on a DE measurable being right than can he actually play is why there's no pressure. Davenport,Foskey,Turner. The scouting department t is still living off a draft 5/6 years ago

We definitely need to revisit our draft parameters this offseason. Our D-line dropped ten pounds to get leaner and faster. Now they are getting pushed all over the place. O-line scouting stinks. D-line scouting stinks. Running back scouting stinks. Tight end scouting stinks. And we draft slow LB'ers.

We do well with WR's and DB's though. So, it's kind of a mixed bag of nuts and dog crap. It kind of ruins the whole batch of goodies.

Edit: The RAS is great but it's not the holy grail. It doesn't give you anything but untapped potential. We had a boat load of potential and big busts. No thanks to drafting solely based on the players raw athletic scores. There are too many other variables that are just as important. Like heart. You can't measure heart. You have to study film.

lee909 · 12-24-2023, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We definitely need to revisit our draft parameters this offseason. Our D-line dropped ten pounds to get leaner and faster. Now they are getting pushed all over the place. O-line scouting stinks. D-line scouting stinks. Running back scouting stinks. Tight end scouting stinks. And we draft slow LB'ers.

We do well with WR's and DB's though. So, it's kind of a mixed bag of nuts and dog crap. It kind of ruins the whole batch of goodies.

Imo a league wide problem is how draft boards change from pro days to the draft.
It's all good putting up good numbers in shorts and running shoes, but football is t played without pads. Use it to separate close grades. But it's hilarious watching a 4th round pick on tape jump to a late day 1 pick before he runs a great 40, and jumps high

K Major · 12-29-2023, 04:58 PM

I knew this team was in trouble for 2023 when no one was fired during the bye week. We've become such a passive franchise.

Maybe empty seats in the revamped dome will get someone's attention

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Sinner · 12-29-2023, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I knew this team was in trouble for 2023 when no one was fired during the bye week. We've become such a passive franchise.

Maybe empty seats in the revamped dome will get someone's attention .

That’s the only thing we have control over, except for Quido. He’ll still be there.

dizzle88 · 12-29-2023, 06:55 PM

The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is.

Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket.

saintsfan1976 · 12-30-2023, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is.

Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket.

So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance?

AsylumGuido · 12-30-2023, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance?

No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans.

We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

BakoSaint · 12-30-2023, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans.

We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand, people in Carolina would rather watch their first cousins pick tobacco in their birthday suits than travel to watch the current Panthers team. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists.

Sinner · 12-30-2023, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists.

Salient points. Well articulated.

saintsfan1976 · 12-30-2023, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans.

We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field.

Why does this need to be excused away?

12-24-2023, 01:52 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by lee909 When your scouts are more focused on a DE measurable being right than can he actually play is why there's no pressure. Davenport,Foskey,Turner. The scouting department t is still living off a draft 5/6 years ago We definitely need to revisit our draft parameters this offseason. Our D-line dropped ten pounds to get leaner and faster. Now they are getting pushed all over the place. O-line scouting stinks. D-line scouting stinks. Running back scouting stinks. Tight end scouting stinks. And we draft slow LB'ers. We do well with WR's and DB's though. So, it's kind of a mixed bag of nuts and dog crap. It kind of ruins the whole batch of goodies. Edit: The RAS is great but it's not the holy grail. It doesn't give you anything but untapped potential. We had a boat load of potential and big busts. No thanks to drafting solely based on the players raw athletic scores. There are too many other variables that are just as important. Like heart. You can't measure heart. You have to study film. iceshack149 likes this.
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12-24-2023, 01:56 PM	#2
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We definitely need to revisit our draft parameters this offseason. Our D-line dropped ten pounds to get leaner and faster. Now they are getting pushed all over the place. O-line scouting stinks. D-line scouting stinks. Running back scouting stinks. Tight end scouting stinks. And we draft slow LB'ers. We do well with WR's and DB's though. So, it's kind of a mixed bag of nuts and dog crap. It kind of ruins the whole batch of goodies. Imo a league wide problem is how draft boards change from pro days to the draft. It's all good putting up good numbers in shorts and running shoes, but football is t played without pads. Use it to separate close grades. But it's hilarious watching a 4th round pick on tape jump to a late day 1 pick before he runs a great 40, and jumps high Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-29-2023, 04:58 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints I knew this team was in trouble for 2023 when no one was fired during the bye week. We've become such a passive franchise. Maybe empty seats in the revamped dome will get someone's attention . dizzle88 and Sinner like this.

12-29-2023, 05:02 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by K Major I knew this team was in trouble for 2023 when no one was fired during the bye week. We've become such a passive franchise. Maybe empty seats in the revamped dome will get someone's attention . That’s the only thing we have control over, except for Quido. He’ll still be there. K Major likes this.
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12-29-2023, 06:55 PM	#5
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is. Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket. saintsfan1976, Sinner and K Major like this.

12-30-2023, 10:12 AM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 The fact that Loomis blamed a sparse crowd on "economic difficulties" shows how out of touch and ignorant he is. Any GM worth a damn, would have acknowledged that the fans deserve better and that change is needed to make the product desirable to ticket buyers. But nope, lets blame it on the economy when no one will buy a $5 ticket. So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance? neugey, dizzle88, bobdog86 and 1 others like this.

12-30-2023, 12:40 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So the economy in Detroit is better than New Orleans? Is that why so many Lions fans were in attendance? No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans. We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue.

12-30-2023, 01:32 PM	#8
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans. We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue. This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand, people in Carolina would rather watch their first cousins pick tobacco in their birthday suits than travel to watch the current Panthers team. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists. Sinner likes this.
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12-30-2023, 01:34 PM	#9
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,041	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by BakoSaint This really cuts both ways. The truth is lots of Lions fans will want to go to road games because they have new exciting successful team and very few Panthers fans will want to go to road games because they have a boring crappy team this year as per usual but more so. So its wrong both to say that the Saints performance or fan loyalty is what caused the Lions game road crowd or what kept the stands black and gold against the Panthers. The fact is that only teams whose fans are excited will draw big road crowds and that will require either a rich history of success and/or an exciting current team. The Saints could go 0-17 five years in a row and a team like the 2023 Panthers would never travel well here because there is no demand. But by playing poorly we do open up every team that is winning or has a history of winning to travel well here. That is because of supply and demand. If we are winning and exciting too and the traveling team is winning and exciting too, that will drive up ticket prices to $500, and adding the additional cost of hotels and flights, it will limit the road crowd. But if we suck, tickets will drop to $50-100, and the road crowd will be big where demand exists. So, just wait until next year when we play more good teams where demand exists. Salient points. Well articulated.
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12-30-2023, 04:28 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Report: Dennis Allen 'is in a good spot' after 14-18 start with Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. The reasons why there were so many Lions fans in attendance was because Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in 31 years, they hadn't even been to a playoff game in eight years, and weather in Detroit on that day was a high of 43 with rain, while it was 68 and partly cloudy in New Orleans. We were both sick that weekend so we had to sell our tickets. We got almost $300 a piece for them. The couple that sit behind us said the Dome was still packed, but lots of blue. Saints fans would rather sell to visiting teams than watch the product on field. Why does this need to be excused away? neugey and Sinner like this.