I wonder how many players are actually in this to win it?

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

For us, tanking is not just a concept. Watch.

Every single one of them. They are playing for their job whether it be with the Saints or another team. I have heard your question addressed dozens of times to players, coaches, and GM's, over the years both currently active and retired. To a man every single one of them stress that players and coaches alike give it all they have to win every week regardless of other factors. Every game for them is a real job interview going forward. They also consistently insist that the whole concept of quitting is a fan generated concept, as is the whole tanking concept.

I have no idea. Of course, no one here does. As much time as you spend on researching all things New Orleans Saints I'm sure you've heard that a couple of ex-Buckeyes and a certain RB are all but checked out. No certainties here. just rumblings.

What you hear from your rumblings don't mean ****.

I can only off what I have heard and read from literally hundreds of players and coaches over the years.

And the issue many have with you Guido is the incessant rainbow-chasing and patronizing condescension.

Members need leeway to b!tch and moan here. Things aren't always alright.

You'd do well to occasionally say "You know what Sinner, you're right - these guys suck and I hope they figure it out soon too...."

But you don't. Instead you tell fans why their opinions and feelings are wrong and dismiss their rebuttals.

You've placed yourself on an island of infallibility and you wonder why there's sharks...

Once again...

If you look back I never said that iceshack was himself wrong. Nor did I say his opinion was wrong. He referenced "rumblings" which can be deduced as bloggers and/or other fans or sources other than himself. I only pointed out that actual players and coaches have made it a point that fans and many media types (including bloggers) commonly and wrongly insinuate that players quit and don't try.

Also, if you look back I amended by blanket statement saying that there could be isolated players that somewhat quit, but have attached a red flag to their foreheads which will likely adversely affect their futures in the league.