Haener

neugey · 12-31-2023, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just as I figured. Haener is inactive, as he should be. Who you going to make inactive instead?

It makes sense to have Haener inactive given that new emergency QB rule. Might as well leverage it.

My bigger gripe is the organization on the whole does a lousy job of developing young QB's and putting them in a position to contribute if the need arises. It was an issue under Payton too. It bit us in the arse with Book and others before him. Not saying we've had the most awesome talent in this regard (another issue) but we don't get much out of what we do have compared to other teams. We can't even get the occasional Mike White or Tommy DeVito flash in the pan that most other teams seem to eek out.

BakoSaint · 12-31-2023, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

If he is unhappy, he’ll sit back and collect his 30 mil. That seems to be the current trajectory of all aspects of this organization, except for the fans, who actually pay to be unhappy.

Not necessarily. There are many players in league history who have passed by big money to retire when they are unhappy like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. Several prominent 49ers players retired early during the end of Jim Harbaugh's tenure. Derek Carr supposedly wants to be a pastor, much like Tony Dungy or Reggie White. He also had two concussions this year and the year is not done. If Carr is happy he will definitely stick around to collect that check and still probably suck. If he is unhappy, anything is possible, so I would take my chances and make him unhappy.

Also, Derek Carr has a no trade clause. If he would agree to a trade, there are many possibilities to move a draft pick or player to unload some or all of his salary. For instance we could trade Adebo and Carr to some team for a 7th round pick. But Carr has to agree to the trade. Best way to get him to agree is to make him think its his idea. Best way to make it his idea is to make him unhappy.

Sinner · 12-31-2023, 02:17 PM

Ok. But I had to double check to make sure you didn’t put Barry Sanders and Derek Carr in the same sentence.

AsylumGuido · 12-31-2023, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Not necessarily. There are many players in league history who have passed by big money to retire when they are unhappy like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. Several prominent 49ers players retired early during the end of Jim Harbaugh's tenure. Derek Carr supposedly wants to be a pastor, much like Tony Dungy or Reggie White. He also had two concussions this year and the year is not done. If Carr is happy he will definitely stick around to collect that check and still probably suck. If he is unhappy, anything is possible, so I would take my chances and make him unhappy.

Also, Derek Carr has a no trade clause. If he would agree to a trade, there are many possibilities to move a draft pick or player to unload some or all of his salary. For instance we could trade Adebo and Carr to some team for a 7th round pick. But Carr has to agree to the trade. Best way to get him to agree is to make him think its his idea. Best way to make it his idea is to make him unhappy.

All guaranteed money is applied if a player retires. That guaranteed money is also applied if cut or traded.

Sinner · 12-31-2023, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

All guaranteed money is applied if a player retires. That guaranteed money is also if cut or traded.

After a long hard work week, it gives me great pleasure knowing that everybody gets paid. Thank you for your service.

BakoSaint · 12-31-2023, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

All guaranteed money is applied if a player retires. That guaranteed money is also applied if cut or traded.

That does not make sense and I am pretty sure it cannot be right. If that was true, DeShaun Watson could have signed his contract with the Browns one day, then turned in retirement papers the next day because he decided he wanted to live in Thailand where he could better pursue his hobbies, and he would collect 100% of the deal. I believe Carr's 2024 salary guarantee means his salary is guaranteed against injury or release, and retiring due to injury would be included in the guarantee. But if he retired for personal reasons like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson, he would not get that money. I don't think any contract in any sport is ever guaranteed against deciding you no longer feel like playing.

I can easily mention Derek Carr and Barry Sanders in the same sentence. I believe Derek Carr's career will finish his career with one less playoff win than Barry Sanders.

Sinner · 12-31-2023, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

That does not make sense and I am pretty sure it cannot be right. If that was true, DeShaun Watson could have signed his contract with the Browns one day, then turned in retirement papers the next day because he decided he wanted to live in Thailand where he could better pursue his hobbies, and he would collect 100% of the deal. I believe Carr's 2024 salary guarantee means his salary is guaranteed against injury or release, and retiring due to injury would be included in the guarantee. But if he retired for personal reasons like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson, he would not get that money. I don't think any contract in any sport is ever guaranteed against deciding you no longer feel like playing.

I can easily mention Derek Carr and Barry Sanders in the same sentence. I believe Derek Carr's career will finish his career with one less playoff win than Barry Sanders.

After today, you can go ahead and mention Derek Carr’s name in the same sentence as ANY GREAT Player. He’s about to be our boy for quite some time. He is easily the next Dan Marino. He just needed time to develop, and we gave it to him.

AsylumGuido · 12-31-2023, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

That does not make sense and I am pretty sure it cannot be right. If that was true, DeShaun Watson could have signed his contract with the Browns one day, then turned in retirement papers the next day because he decided he wanted to live in Thailand where he could better pursue his hobbies, and he would collect 100% of the deal. I believe Carr's 2024 salary guarantee means his salary is guaranteed against injury or release, and retiring due to injury would be included in the guarantee. But if he retired for personal reasons like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson, he would not get that money. I don't think any contract in any sport is ever guaranteed against deciding you no longer feel like playing.

I can easily mention Derek Carr and Barry Sanders in the same sentence. I believe Derek Carr's career will finish his career with one less playoff win than Barry Sanders.

It's true, Bako. That's the way contracts work. Google it. When Brees retired his remaining guarantees remained on the books. There are certain exceptions that require an independent arbiter becoming involved. That's why most players retire at the end of an existing contract as to not screw the team.

Sinner · 12-31-2023, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It's true, Bako. That's the way contracts work. Google it. When Brees retired his remaining guarantees remained on the books. There are certain exceptions that require an independent arbiter becoming involved. That's why most players retire at the end of an existing contract as to not screw the team.

NOTHING can screw this team right now. We goin to the Super Bowl!

Rugby Saint II · 01-01-2024, 02:47 PM

We have to draft O line to protect whoever is under center. We just drafted Haener. Let's see what he has to offer. He won't see any playing time this year unless it's a blowout in Atlanta and I don't see that happening.

Haeners' had a year to get ready and training camp should be fun to watch him sling it around next year. There's always next year Saints fans!

12-31-2023, 12:59 PM	#11
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just as I figured. Haener is inactive, as he should be. Who you going to make inactive instead? It makes sense to have Haener inactive given that new emergency QB rule. Might as well leverage it. My bigger gripe is the organization on the whole does a lousy job of developing young QB's and putting them in a position to contribute if the need arises. It was an issue under Payton too. It bit us in the arse with Book and others before him. Not saying we've had the most awesome talent in this regard (another issue) but we don't get much out of what we do have compared to other teams. We can't even get the occasional Mike White or Tommy DeVito flash in the pan that most other teams seem to eek out. jnormand and Sinner like this.

12-31-2023, 01:08 PM	#12
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Haener Originally Posted by Sinner If he is unhappy, he’ll sit back and collect his 30 mil. That seems to be the current trajectory of all aspects of this organization, except for the fans, who actually pay to be unhappy. Not necessarily. There are many players in league history who have passed by big money to retire when they are unhappy like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. Several prominent 49ers players retired early during the end of Jim Harbaugh's tenure. Derek Carr supposedly wants to be a pastor, much like Tony Dungy or Reggie White. He also had two concussions this year and the year is not done. If Carr is happy he will definitely stick around to collect that check and still probably suck. If he is unhappy, anything is possible, so I would take my chances and make him unhappy. Also, Derek Carr has a no trade clause. If he would agree to a trade, there are many possibilities to move a draft pick or player to unload some or all of his salary. For instance we could trade Adebo and Carr to some team for a 7th round pick. But Carr has to agree to the trade. Best way to get him to agree is to make him think its his idea. Best way to make it his idea is to make him unhappy.
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12-31-2023, 02:17 PM	#13
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Haener Ok. But I had to double check to make sure you didn’t put Barry Sanders and Derek Carr in the same sentence.
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12-31-2023, 02:33 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Haener Originally Posted by BakoSaint Not necessarily. There are many players in league history who have passed by big money to retire when they are unhappy like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. Several prominent 49ers players retired early during the end of Jim Harbaugh's tenure. Derek Carr supposedly wants to be a pastor, much like Tony Dungy or Reggie White. He also had two concussions this year and the year is not done. If Carr is happy he will definitely stick around to collect that check and still probably suck. If he is unhappy, anything is possible, so I would take my chances and make him unhappy. Also, Derek Carr has a no trade clause. If he would agree to a trade, there are many possibilities to move a draft pick or player to unload some or all of his salary. For instance we could trade Adebo and Carr to some team for a 7th round pick. But Carr has to agree to the trade. Best way to get him to agree is to make him think its his idea. Best way to make it his idea is to make him unhappy. All guaranteed money is applied if a player retires. That guaranteed money is also applied if cut or traded.

12-31-2023, 02:48 PM	#15
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido All guaranteed money is applied if a player retires. That guaranteed money is also if cut or traded. After a long hard work week, it gives me great pleasure knowing that everybody gets paid. Thank you for your service.
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12-31-2023, 04:10 PM	#16
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido All guaranteed money is applied if a player retires. That guaranteed money is also applied if cut or traded. That does not make sense and I am pretty sure it cannot be right. If that was true, DeShaun Watson could have signed his contract with the Browns one day, then turned in retirement papers the next day because he decided he wanted to live in Thailand where he could better pursue his hobbies, and he would collect 100% of the deal. I believe Carr's 2024 salary guarantee means his salary is guaranteed against injury or release, and retiring due to injury would be included in the guarantee. But if he retired for personal reasons like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson, he would not get that money. I don't think any contract in any sport is ever guaranteed against deciding you no longer feel like playing. I can easily mention Derek Carr and Barry Sanders in the same sentence. I believe Derek Carr's career will finish his career with one less playoff win than Barry Sanders.
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12-31-2023, 04:20 PM	#17
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Haener Originally Posted by BakoSaint That does not make sense and I am pretty sure it cannot be right. If that was true, DeShaun Watson could have signed his contract with the Browns one day, then turned in retirement papers the next day because he decided he wanted to live in Thailand where he could better pursue his hobbies, and he would collect 100% of the deal. I believe Carr's 2024 salary guarantee means his salary is guaranteed against injury or release, and retiring due to injury would be included in the guarantee. But if he retired for personal reasons like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson, he would not get that money. I don't think any contract in any sport is ever guaranteed against deciding you no longer feel like playing. I can easily mention Derek Carr and Barry Sanders in the same sentence. I believe Derek Carr's career will finish his career with one less playoff win than Barry Sanders. After today, you can go ahead and mention Derek Carr’s name in the same sentence as ANY GREAT Player. He’s about to be our boy for quite some time. He is easily the next Dan Marino. He just needed time to develop, and we gave it to him. K Major likes this.
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12-31-2023, 04:27 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Haener Originally Posted by BakoSaint That does not make sense and I am pretty sure it cannot be right. If that was true, DeShaun Watson could have signed his contract with the Browns one day, then turned in retirement papers the next day because he decided he wanted to live in Thailand where he could better pursue his hobbies, and he would collect 100% of the deal. I believe Carr's 2024 salary guarantee means his salary is guaranteed against injury or release, and retiring due to injury would be included in the guarantee. But if he retired for personal reasons like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson, he would not get that money. I don't think any contract in any sport is ever guaranteed against deciding you no longer feel like playing. I can easily mention Derek Carr and Barry Sanders in the same sentence. I believe Derek Carr's career will finish his career with one less playoff win than Barry Sanders. It's true, Bako. That's the way contracts work. Google it. When Brees retired his remaining guarantees remained on the books. There are certain exceptions that require an independent arbiter becoming involved. That's why most players retire at the end of an existing contract as to not screw the team.

12-31-2023, 04:29 PM	#19
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,952	Re: Haener Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It's true, Bako. That's the way contracts work. Google it. When Brees retired his remaining guarantees remained on the books. There are certain exceptions that require an independent arbiter becoming involved. That's why most players retire at the end of an existing contract as to not screw the team. NOTHING can screw this team right now. We goin to the Super Bowl! K Major likes this.
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01-01-2024, 02:47 PM	#20
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Haener We have to draft O line to protect whoever is under center. We just drafted Haener. Let's see what he has to offer. He won't see any playing time this year unless it's a blowout in Atlanta and I don't see that happening. Haeners' had a year to get ready and training camp should be fun to watch him sling it around next year. There's always next year Saints fans!