I know that this will bring the ire of a few posters here but Derek Carr really isn't the Saints biggest problem right now and he's likely better than Winston and Haener. In the next draft the Saints should focus on building from the ground up, so to speak. Work on both lines (especially the O-line) and go from there. I'd even get an LB or RB before thinking about drafting a QB.

Carr's numbers aren't bad -- I know he's got situational awareness issues-- but I think that the Saints can work with him going forward. That and they're married to his contract for a while as well.

I tend to agree Carr is probably our best QB skill wise. Sometimes he looks like Dalton or Winston but lately he has improved, so though I am not sure he is better, he seems like the best of our bad choices today. However, he seems to be very overpaid, like if Winston costs $6 million Carr is perhaps worth $12-16 million but has $30 million guaranteed. So while Carr may be our best QB, and we may have to stick with him since his contract is guaranteed, I dont think he will ever be good enough to win us a ring. If a QB like him could win a ring it would be with an elite oline and elite defense. What we have is a very old team, a salary cap mess that makes it impossible to get much younger or add many good free agents, and a draft where we have already traded away a couple picks. Carr is not as good as Hurts or Purdy, he is paid more like Hurts than Purdy, and its virtually impossible for us to put the kind of roster Hurts and Purdy have around them around him. Just to stay under the cap we have to restructure Carr every year, which pushes his future cap averages into the Maholmes and Hurts range. So, Carr could be the best QB on our roster, but still a futile dead end.

Even if Loomis worked his Voldemort magic and we were the buggest spenders in free agency, damning the future forever, I dont think we could win with Carr. We are just nowhere close to the top NFC or AFC teams because our best players are old for their positions and breaking down. Even if we added an all pro olineman and two all pros on defense, it would probably just be a break even with our existing players like ram, lattimore, jordan, davis, and mathieu all getting older and declining rapidly. To truly suceed we need a reset with lots of draft picks and a young roster with upside. We can never win trying to run it back one more time with the oldest roster in the league that is .500 in the weakest division in the league and married to a high cost mediocre qb.

I tend to agree Carr is probably our best QB skill wise. Sometimes he looks like Dalton or Winston but lately he has improved, so though I am not sure he is better, he seems like the best of our bad choices today. However, he seems to be very overpaid, like if Winston costs $6 million Carr is perhaps worth $12-16 million but has $30 million guaranteed. So while Carr may be our best QB, and we may have to stick with him since his contract is guaranteed, I dont think he will ever be good enough to win us a ring. If a QB like him could win a ring it would be with an elite oline and elite defense. What we have is a very old team, a salary cap mess that makes it impossible to get much younger or add many good free agents, and a draft where we have already traded away a couple picks. Carr is not as good as Hurts or Purdy, he is paid more like Hurts than Purdy, and its virtually impossible for us to put the kind of roster Hurts and Purdy have around them around him. Just to stay under the cap we have to restructure Carr every year, which pushes his future cap averages into the Maholmes and Hurts range. So, Carr could be the best QB on our roster, but still a futile dead end.

Even if Loomis worked his Voldemort magic and we were the buggest spenders in free agency, damning the future forever, I dont think we could win with Carr. We are just nowhere close to the top NFC or AFC teams because our best players are old for their positions and breaking down. Even if we added an all pro olineman and two all pros on defense, it would probably just be a break even with our existing players like ram, lattimore, jordan, davis, and mathieu all getting older and declining rapidly. To truly suceed we need a reset with lots of draft picks and a young roster with upside. We can never win trying to run it back one more time with the oldest roster in the league that is .500 in the weakest division in the league and married to a high cost mediocre qb.

I tend to agree Carr is probably our best QB skill wise. Sometimes he looks like Dalton or Winston but lately he has improved, so though I am not sure he is better, he seems like the best of our bad choices today. However, he seems to be very overpaid, like if Winston costs $6 million Carr is perhaps worth $12-16 million but has $30 million guaranteed. So while Carr may be our best QB, and we may have to stick with him since his contract is guaranteed, I dont think he will ever be good enough to win us a ring. If a QB like him could win a ring it would be with an elite oline and elite defense. What we have is a very old team, a salary cap mess that makes it impossible to get much younger or add many good free agents, and a draft where we have already traded away a couple picks. Carr is not as good as Hurts or Purdy, he is paid more like Hurts than Purdy, and its virtually impossible for us to put the kind of roster Hurts and Purdy have around them around him. Just to stay under the cap we have to restructure Carr every year, which pushes his future cap averages into the Maholmes and Hurts range. So, Carr could be the best QB on our roster, but still a futile dead end.

Even if Loomis worked his Voldemort magic and we were the buggest spenders in free agency, damning the future forever, I dont think we could win with Carr. We are just nowhere close to the top NFC or AFC teams because our best players are old for their positions and breaking down. Even if we added an all pro olineman and two all pros on defense, it would probably just be a break even with our existing players like ram, lattimore, jordan, davis, and mathieu all getting older and declining rapidly. To truly suceed we need a reset with lots of draft picks and a young roster with upside. We can never win trying to run it back one more time with the oldest roster in the league that is .500 in the weakest division in the league and married to a high cost mediocre qb.

I predict that Carr will look 10 times better under a great OC. I'd stake my reputation on it.

Carr is the epitome of mediocre. Sure, another OC may get more out of him, but he'll never become a top tier QB to get you where you want to be. See his 10 years of production. Pocket presence is still POOR.

Middle of the road NFL QB. Nothing more, nothing less.

Saints would be crazy NOT to draft another QB in 2024.

As for Haener, he'll never get a legit shot in New Orleans while the substitute teacher is still here. His guy will always be DCarr regardless of how poorly he may perform.

I keep hearing talk about how the Saints have such an old roster. By average age they were the 2nd oldest entering the season. But their roster was an average of only 15 months older than the 28th oldest, or 5th youngest, team in the league (Colts).

Since we're tied to Carr for two more seasons, I'm optimistic for a new OC who can refresh the scheme and get more from the entire offense.