Fire Dennis Allen NOW

SmashMouth · 01-20-2024, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

IMO both the Pack & Lions will be a tough out for years to come.

I don’t see either falling off anytime soon.

Lions seemingly made the right call with Williams at RB. Or is our new OC going to show us differently?

Rugby Saint II · 01-20-2024, 03:17 PM

I think that we are done firing coaches until we get our new OC who may want to bring his own staff with him. Can't we just clone Payton and bring him in to run the offense?

Sinner · 01-23-2024, 07:00 PM

Oh, is he still here? Just checking…

Cruize · 01-24-2024, 08:35 AM

The Saints have talent. Keeping Allen around for another year is just another year of wasting that talent. He's not a bad guy. He's not a terrible coach. But there's nothing he excels at. He's not a good offensive guy. He's not a great defensive guy. He's not a great motivator. He's just not a good leader in any way shape or form. Next season will be at best the same. I predict worse.

neugey · 01-24-2024, 09:11 AM

At least for me there's a lot of anticipation for the OC hire. It's not just our offense - it's that we are already operating from a big deficit with Allen at coach and just hope they hire someone that can offset some of it and instill some kind of a plan and direction.

K Major · 01-24-2024, 09:47 AM

No promotions from within, hire someone from OUTSIDE of the building with new takes, new ideas.

Nothing "leftover" from Pete Carmichael.

darksoul35 · 01-24-2024, 10:51 AM

Payton with 2 less wins in his first year with way more talent and a harder schedule.

Mr.Riaton · 01-24-2024, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

No promotions from within, hire someone from OUTSIDE of the building with new takes, new ideas.

Nothing "leftover" from Pete Carmichael.

Well to be fair, Dan Campbell came from that Payton/Carmichael era and he’s doing just fine.

I think it’s possible Curry can come in and be successful being he’s had experience around Saints and 49ers teams when they were coached well and successful. I just think that he needs to take some of that experience and put his own twist to things and see where it takes us. I just think it’s important to make it his own. I feel like promoting coaches in some ways is a crap shoot like drafting players. You think Dallas would’ve let Sean go if they knew what they had in him?

I understand your perspective, just looking at it from a different angle

K Major · 01-24-2024, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

Well to be fair, Dan Campbell came from that Payton/Carmichael era and he’s doing just fine.

I think it’s possible Curry can come in and be successful being he’s had experience around Saints and 49ers teams when they were coached well and successful. I just think that he needs to take some of that experience and put his own twist to things and see where it takes us. I just think it’s important to make it his own. I feel like promoting coaches in some ways is a crap shoot like drafting players. You think Dallas would’ve let Sean go if they knew what they had in him?

I understand your perspective, just looking at it from a different angle

Acknowledged.

The thing about this Saints franchise as of late is that there has been no sense of urgency, the ability to change (roster & staff) & it shows on Sundays.... you see some organizations (Philly, Browns, Steelers, Bills etc) make it to the post season, yet fire everyone immediately after their playoff "run" ends. Yet I see the Saints miss (yet again) post season, no real changes to improve.

IMO the Saints should have been given Ronald Curry full reins for a legit OC audition after getting embarassed coming off a bye week.

How many times have I heard Loomis

claim that they are in "win now" mode? 3-4 years now. It ain't working boss. Try new things. McVay & Kyle Shanahan tree (Zac Robinson, Kubiak) would be a great place to start at OC. At this point, I don't see promoting from within as a long term solution.

Atlanta & Tampa (although the Bucs continue to find ways win in a terrible division) are going to get better but Dennis is still "chopping wood".

But I hear you brother.

Mr.Riaton · 01-24-2024, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Acknowledged.

The thing about this Saints franchise as of late is that there has been no sense of urgency, the ability to change (roster & staff) & it shows on Sundays.... you see some organizations (Philly, Browns, Steelers, Bills etc) make it to the post season, yet fire everyone immediately after their playoff "run" ends. Yet I see the Saints miss (yet again) post season, no real changes to improve.

IMO the Saints should have been given Ronald Curry full reins for a legit OC audition after getting embarassed coming off a bye week.

How many times have I heard Loomis claim that they are in "win now" mode? 3-4 years now. It ain't working boss. Try new things. McVay & Kyle Shanahan tree (Zac Robinson, Kubiak) would be a great place to start at OC. At this point, I don't see promoting from within as a long term solution.

Atlanta & Tampa (although the Bucs continue to find ways win in a terrible division) are going to get better but Dennis is still "chopping wood".

But I hear you brother.

Great points and I agree with a lot of it, especially grabbing coaches from the Shanahan/ Kubiac tree. There’s a lot of success with those guys right now and gotta strike while the iron is hot. Just not completely opposed to promoting Curry as well…he may have something to offer. As far as Allen is concerned…well the results speak for themselves.

01-20-2024, 12:21 PM	#61
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW Originally Posted by K Major IMO both the Pack & Lions will be a tough out for years to come. I don’t see either falling off anytime soon. Lions seemingly made the right call with Williams at RB. Or is our new OC going to show us differently? K Major likes this.

01-20-2024, 03:17 PM	#62
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW I think that we are done firing coaches until we get our new OC who may want to bring his own staff with him. Can't we just clone Payton and bring him in to run the offense?

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,873	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW Oh, is he still here? Just checking… K Major likes this.
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Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW The Saints have talent. Keeping Allen around for another year is just another year of wasting that talent. He's not a bad guy. He's not a terrible coach. But there's nothing he excels at. He's not a good offensive guy. He's not a great defensive guy. He's not a great motivator. He's just not a good leader in any way shape or form. Next season will be at best the same. I predict worse. Sinner and darksoul35 like this.
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01-24-2024, 09:11 AM	#65
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW At least for me there's a lot of anticipation for the OC hire. It's not just our offense - it's that we are already operating from a big deficit with Allen at coach and just hope they hire someone that can offset some of it and instill some kind of a plan and direction.

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01-24-2024, 10:59 AM	#68
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW Originally Posted by K Major No promotions from within, hire someone from OUTSIDE of the building with new takes, new ideas. Nothing "leftover" from Pete Carmichael. Well to be fair, Dan Campbell came from that Payton/Carmichael era and he’s doing just fine. I think it’s possible Curry can come in and be successful being he’s had experience around Saints and 49ers teams when they were coached well and successful. I just think that he needs to take some of that experience and put his own twist to things and see where it takes us. I just think it’s important to make it his own. I feel like promoting coaches in some ways is a crap shoot like drafting players. You think Dallas would’ve let Sean go if they knew what they had in him? I understand your perspective, just looking at it from a different angle K Major likes this.

01-24-2024, 11:32 AM	#69
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton Well to be fair, Dan Campbell came from that Payton/Carmichael era and he’s doing just fine. I think it’s possible Curry can come in and be successful being he’s had experience around Saints and 49ers teams when they were coached well and successful. I just think that he needs to take some of that experience and put his own twist to things and see where it takes us. I just think it’s important to make it his own. I feel like promoting coaches in some ways is a crap shoot like drafting players. You think Dallas would’ve let Sean go if they knew what they had in him? I understand your perspective, just looking at it from a different angle Acknowledged. The thing about this Saints franchise as of late is that there has been no sense of urgency, the ability to change (roster & staff) & it shows on Sundays.... you see some organizations (Philly, Browns, Steelers, Bills etc) make it to the post season, yet fire everyone immediately after their playoff "run" ends. Yet I see the Saints miss (yet again) post season, no real changes to improve. IMO the Saints should have been given Ronald Curry full reins for a legit OC audition after getting embarassed coming off a bye week. How many times have I heard Loomis claim that they are in "win now" mode? 3-4 years now. It ain't working boss. Try new things. McVay & Kyle Shanahan tree (Zac Robinson, Kubiak) would be a great place to start at OC. At this point, I don't see promoting from within as a long term solution. Atlanta & Tampa (although the Bucs continue to find ways win in a terrible division) are going to get better but Dennis is still "chopping wood". But I hear you brother. neugey and Mr.Riaton like this.

01-24-2024, 12:37 PM	#70
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: Fire Dennis Allen NOW Originally Posted by K Major Acknowledged. The thing about this Saints franchise as of late is that there has been no sense of urgency, the ability to change (roster & staff) & it shows on Sundays.... you see some organizations (Philly, Browns, Steelers, Bills etc) make it to the post season, yet fire everyone immediately after their playoff "run" ends. Yet I see the Saints miss (yet again) post season, no real changes to improve. IMO the Saints should have been given Ronald Curry full reins for a legit OC audition after getting embarassed coming off a bye week. How many times have I heard Loomis claim that they are in "win now" mode? 3-4 years now. It ain't working boss. Try new things. McVay & Kyle Shanahan tree (Zac Robinson, Kubiak) would be a great place to start at OC. At this point, I don't see promoting from within as a long term solution. Atlanta & Tampa (although the Bucs continue to find ways win in a terrible division) are going to get better but Dennis is still "chopping wood". But I hear you brother. Great points and I agree with a lot of it, especially grabbing coaches from the Shanahan/ Kubiac tree. There’s a lot of success with those guys right now and gotta strike while the iron is hot. Just not completely opposed to promoting Curry as well…he may have something to offer. As far as Allen is concerned…well the results speak for themselves.