Saints picks in 2024

AsylumGuido · 02-15-2024, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I might be wrong here but don't first and second round draft picks usually have high expectations? Should our picks develop sooner? Uhmmm......Yeah!!!

It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast.

mapcow · 02-15-2024, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast.

....it depends....

Rugby Saint II · 02-16-2024, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast.

The flag football at the Pro bowl is better than the game. Maybe it's the future.

AsylumGuido · 02-16-2024, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

The flag football at the Pro bowl is better than the game. Maybe it's the future.

Yeah, Paul Anderson, the great line coach, has mentioned several times recently how ill-prepared the players are these days coming out of college.

darksoul35 · 02-17-2024, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't believe we have "whiffed" on Foskey or Turner. Turner has looked good when he has been out there. Foskey is still young and could still develop into something good.

Not sure about Foskey but Turner just needs to get and stay healthy.

Danno · 02-17-2024, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

Not sure about Foskey but Turner just needs to get and stay healthy.

Foskey and Turner are interesting unknowns at this point. They may be solid contributors to our pass rush next year, or they may just stay injury busts. Players like them have typically overcome the injury bug after they leave New Orleans.

K Major · 02-17-2024, 10:34 AM

Well, regarding Foskey ... I (maybe just me) had HIGH hopes of him coming out of a big time college program & making some sort of an impact as a rookie, especially considering he was a relatively high 2nd round draft selection (see Rams 2023 - 3rd rounder Byron Young).

IIRC, Duncan, Mike & Underhill were quite critical of his performaces @ training camp & subsequent pre season games. TBH, he showed a lack of hustle and technique. Struggled a LOT. For where he was drafted, he needs to bring his A game in 2024.

As for Turner, meh. He can't help if he's always injured & under the tent. This is year 3 for the former 1st rounder.

The QBs we face THIS season can all scramble and make those critical throws. If the Saints scouts can't start nailing their higher draft selections, maybe we need better National scouts.

To truly compete, you need more quality starters and pass rushers.

Cam Jordan is at the end of the road & Granderson needs legit help.

SmashMouth · 02-17-2024, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Foskey and Turner are interesting unknowns at this point. They may be solid contributors to our pass rush next year, or they may just stay injury busts. Players like them have typically overcome the injury bug after they leave New Orleans.

Originally Posted by K Major

Well, regarding Foskey ... I (maybe just me) had HIGH hopes of him coming out of a big time college program & making some sort of an impact as a rookie, especially considering he was a relatively high 2nd round draft selection (see Rams 2023 - 3rd rounder Byron Young).

IIRC, Duncan, Mike & Underhill were quite critical of his performaces @ training camp & subsequent pre season games. TBH, he showed a lack of hustle and technique. Struggled a LOT. For where he was drafted, he needs to bring his A game in 2024.

As for Turner, meh. He can't help if he's always injured & under the tent. This is year 3 for the former 1st rounder.

The QBs we face THIS season can all scramble and make those critical throws. If the Saints scouts can't start nailing their higher draft selections, maybe we need better National scouts.

To truly compete, you need more quality starters and pass rushers.

Cam Jordan is at the end of the road & Granderson needs legit help.

Still got to give WTFoskey the benefit of the doubt at this juncture. But he needs to step up bigly.

Rugby Saint II · 02-17-2024, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Still got to give WTFoskey the benefit of the doubt at this juncture. But he needs to step up bigly.

I agree Smash. Sometimes it takes a little time to become NFL tough. T-Rex is a prime example. I'm definitely expecting Foskey to come out strong in camp and make a good push for the starting gig, or at the very least, he needs to be a heavy rotational player.

Who Knows? Peyton might become NFL tough too if can get his training regime right and stay on the field. I've got to admit that he is pretty darn good when he's on the field.

K Major · 03-26-2024, 09:40 AM

Tackle

We need two of em. Ramz should most likely retire, Penning is still a HUGE question mark & Peat could sign elsewhere.

Saints have SERIOUS issues on the o line for sure.

Drafting O LINE is probably top priority.

02-15-2024, 03:24 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I might be wrong here but don't first and second round draft picks usually have high expectations? Should our picks develop sooner? Uhmmm......Yeah!!! It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-15-2024, 03:46 PM	#32
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,741	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast. ....it depends....
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02-16-2024, 11:49 AM	#33
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It depends upon the position. Linemen commonly take longer to develop from everything I have read and heard. Especially since the NCAA rules have changed and the offenses have been dumbed down due to lack of allowed player access time. Twenty hours per week ... total! And that includes all gameday activities including lunch and breakfast. The flag football at the Pro bowl is better than the game. Maybe it's the future.

02-16-2024, 11:59 AM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II The flag football at the Pro bowl is better than the game. Maybe it's the future. Yeah, Paul Anderson, the great line coach, has mentioned several times recently how ill-prepared the players are these days coming out of college.

02-17-2024, 07:46 AM	#35
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't believe we have "whiffed" on Foskey or Turner. Turner has looked good when he has been out there. Foskey is still young and could still develop into something good. Not sure about Foskey but Turner just needs to get and stay healthy. Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.
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02-17-2024, 08:32 AM	#36
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by darksoul35 Not sure about Foskey but Turner just needs to get and stay healthy. Foskey and Turner are interesting unknowns at this point. They may be solid contributors to our pass rush next year, or they may just stay injury busts. Players like them have typically overcome the injury bug after they leave New Orleans. saintsfan1976 and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-17-2024, 10:34 AM	#37
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Well, regarding Foskey ... I (maybe just me) had HIGH hopes of him coming out of a big time college program & making some sort of an impact as a rookie, especially considering he was a relatively high 2nd round draft selection (see Rams 2023 - 3rd rounder Byron Young). IIRC, Duncan, Mike & Underhill were quite critical of his performaces @ training camp & subsequent pre season games. TBH, he showed a lack of hustle and technique. Struggled a LOT. For where he was drafted, he needs to bring his A game in 2024. As for Turner, meh. He can't help if he's always injured & under the tent. This is year 3 for the former 1st rounder. The QBs we face THIS season can all scramble and make those critical throws. If the Saints scouts can't start nailing their higher draft selections, maybe we need better National scouts. To truly compete, you need more quality starters and pass rushers. Cam Jordan is at the end of the road & Granderson needs legit help. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-17-2024, 03:48 PM	#38
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,044 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by Danno Foskey and Turner are interesting unknowns at this point. They may be solid contributors to our pass rush next year, or they may just stay injury busts. Players like them have typically overcome the injury bug after they leave New Orleans. Originally Posted by K Major Well, regarding Foskey ... I (maybe just me) had HIGH hopes of him coming out of a big time college program & making some sort of an impact as a rookie, especially considering he was a relatively high 2nd round draft selection (see Rams 2023 - 3rd rounder Byron Young). IIRC, Duncan, Mike & Underhill were quite critical of his performaces @ training camp & subsequent pre season games. TBH, he showed a lack of hustle and technique. Struggled a LOT. For where he was drafted, he needs to bring his A game in 2024. As for Turner, meh. He can't help if he's always injured & under the tent. This is year 3 for the former 1st rounder. The QBs we face THIS season can all scramble and make those critical throws. If the Saints scouts can't start nailing their higher draft selections, maybe we need better National scouts. To truly compete, you need more quality starters and pass rushers. Cam Jordan is at the end of the road & Granderson needs legit help. Still got to give WTFoskey the benefit of the doubt at this juncture. But he needs to step up bigly. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-17-2024, 04:18 PM	#39
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Originally Posted by SmashMouth Still got to give WTFoskey the benefit of the doubt at this juncture. But he needs to step up bigly. I agree Smash. Sometimes it takes a little time to become NFL tough. T-Rex is a prime example. I'm definitely expecting Foskey to come out strong in camp and make a good push for the starting gig, or at the very least, he needs to be a heavy rotational player. Who Knows? Peyton might become NFL tough too if can get his training regime right and stay on the field. I've got to admit that he is pretty darn good when he's on the field. SmashMouth likes this.

03-26-2024, 09:40 AM	#40
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints picks in 2024 Tackle We need two of em. Ramz should most likely retire, Penning is still a HUGE question mark & Peat could sign elsewhere. Saints have SERIOUS issues on the o line for sure. Drafting O LINE is probably top priority.