The NFL is rigged

BakoSaint · 02-24-2024, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I’ve got to hear how the PGA is rigged.

There would be lots of easy ways to do it. Remotely controlled electromagnet or gyroscope in the ball. Buried device in the tee box that creates a subtle imperceptible vibration as the ball is being hit. Swapped clubs with a weight imbalance.

You can have a lot of conspiracies about the NFL, but golf literally just got taken over by a foreign government in a forced merger. The champions wear weird green jackets like some secret society. They tour a series of exclusive private clubs owned by reclusive ivy league billionaires. Every player is a walking endorsement covered in branded gear with big logos and brand names everywhere. Each player is allowed to use their own ball while in the NFL a few psi in cold weather leads to fines. They never touch the ball with their bare hands only equipment they also provide which creates a lot more opportunity to rig events than the NFL where its body to body and hand to ball pure skill. And besides gambling, every golf match is played for a giant prize so there is even more incentive to rig matches. And while many NFL games are closely matched and there is not much money to make fixing matches for gambling, every golf event has 100-1 and 1000-1 underdogs.

I am just observing that a conspiracy to rig golf seems more likely.

Remember that there is very little history of major professional team sports being rigged. What has been rigged a lot in history? Quiz shows. Fancy individual sports like the Tour De France where many repeat champions doped. Chess is awash in cheating scandals. Figure skating where the olympics was influenced by an assault. So I think cheating and rigging are more likely in golf than football, its these fancy yale skull and bones types who are more likely to rig stuff, and they like golf.

neugey · 02-23-2024, 09:11 PM

My two cents - I think there is bias and flourishes of intrusion. But the NFL business has become so big and unwieldy I don't think it could be rigged full stop. For example, Madden which has had the exclusive video game license for nearly 20 years, is a bug-infested mess and has all the appeal of stale toilet water. They continue to be tone deaf on the officiating issues. And they're silly enough to think that having games overseas and doing these streaming shenanigans is the key to financial prosperity. When the real answer is simpler and has been staring them in the face (expanding to 36 teams).

TheOak · 02-24-2024, 07:27 AM

The league has no bias. The league can be selective on which team gets favor and when but there is no bias. The league follows the money trail.

I know that zero bias sounds counter intuitive but after you consider what/whom the league is, you’ll understand. The league is not Roger Goodell, Rodger is the commissioner figure head. The league is 32 owners that make up a carefully crafted trade association. To say that the league has bias is to say that some owners prefer teams other than their own which is counter productive.

The league is also not boxing and a fix is nearly impossible with the number of people that would have to be in on it. What the league does is meet each year and determine which outcome would bring the most financial benefit then nudge things throughout the season.

Purely hypothetical business case.
Organically the league would bring in 900BN in 2024.
With successful nudging the league would bring in 1.2T in 2024.
Either way it’s a win as they will meet their revenue goals but a successful nudging program would mean incentive bonuses to the owners.

This is the only way you’d get owners to agree to their team being nudged out.

This program is successful because most fans (fandom = pure bias) can’t fathom a pure revenue and compensation centric approach.

I’ll wager 2 years salary that every Ref has an NDA in place.

Sinner · 02-24-2024, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The league has no bias. The league can be selective on which team gets favor and when but there is no bias. The league follows the money trail.

I know that zero bias sounds counter intuitive but after you consider what/whom the league is, you’ll understand. The league is not Roger Goodell, Rodger is the commissioner figure head. The league is 32 owners that make up a carefully crafted trade association. To say that the league has bias is to say that some owners prefer teams other than their own which is counter productive.

The league is also not boxing and a fix is nearly impossible with the number of people that would have to be in on it. What the league does is meet each year and determine which outcome would bring the most financial benefit then nudge things throughout the season.

Purely hypothetical business case.
Organically the league would bring in 900BN in 2024.
With successful nudging the league would bring in 1.2T in 2024.
Either way it’s a win as they will meet their revenue goals but a successful nudging program would mean incentive bonuses to the owners.

This is the only way you’d get owners to agree to their team being nudged out.

This program is successful because most fans (fandom = pure bias) can’t fathom a pure revenue and compensation centric approach.

I’ll wager 2 years salary that every Ref has an NDA in place.

Salient points made. ^^^

B_Dub_Saint · 02-24-2024, 02:51 PM

Fact- NFL refs are part of a union.

They cannot be fined for bad calls/ no calls. They can be removed from playoff games or the SB.

With the influx of betting, the leagues "integrity" has all but gone away. While I do see the argument of pulling off such a massive stunt without spilling the beans, I also seethe league for what it is.

ESPN laid off a lot of people to fire up ESPN BET. Why?

Follow the money folks.

hitta · 02-24-2024, 05:11 PM

While I'm not going to say rigged, there seem like too many plays where Mahomes will be allowed to scramble or step up into the pocket because of a missed holding call. I don't know if there is just some way he approaches the pocket that confuses refs or what, but they are missing holds when he's out there at a higher rate.

AsylumGuido · 02-24-2024, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

While I'm not going to say rigged, there seem like too many plays where Mahomes will be allowed to scramble or step up into the pocket because of a missed holding call. I don't know if there is just some way he approaches the pocket that confuses refs or what, but they are missing holds when he's out there at a higher rate.

They're likely being slightly distracted by watching Mahomes and his magic. Holding is hard enough to see in real time in a crowd even when you are looking for it. Of course, you can go to an "eye in the sky" system, but that'll probably result in holding being called on every play. We all know it occurs on every play somewhere on the field.

stickman · 02-24-2024, 05:51 PM

Okay, just for fun, I will chime in here.

As far as the refs go, I would lean towards bias before rigging. Mainly because no matter what the refs do, it's still on the players to perform. To actually catch the ball, to make the field goal, to not fumble, to tackle, etc. And yes I understand that the refs can call or ignore a penalty on a big play, but it is still on the players to make that big play.

But that's just the opinion of an old guy on his sofa, so what does it mean?

AsylumGuido · 02-24-2024, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Okay, just for fun, I will chime in here.

As far as the refs go, I would lean towards bias before rigging. Mainly because no matter what the refs do, it's still on the players to perform. To actually catch the ball, to make the field goal, to not fumble, to tackle, etc. And yes I understand that the refs can call or ignore a penalty on a big play, but it is still on the players to make that big play.

But that's just the opinion of an old guy on his sofa, so what does it mean?

Old guys on sofas have the advantage of many years of perspective and the time to accurately apply it.

BakoSaint · 02-24-2024, 07:04 PM

In all seriousness, I kid around about golf. But I think its a legitimate question to ask why football must be the sport that is rigged. It does seem easier to rig a slow one player sport without a lot of moving parts, if you had to rig something. I just don't like golf or soccer much as serious mens athletic sports because I think they are kind of sissy. I could play them, but that also makes them kind of lame that people pay a lot to watch that is low intensity and sort of boring if you aren't the one playing it. Football is interesting enough on its own, it does not need manufactured drama. Golf and Soccer definitely do.

I agree that the NFL is biased not rigged. I think the refs give other teams the benefit of the doubt against the Saints because they feel the Saints fans and team challenged their authority and sacred brotherhood when we gave them grief about the no call. They feel they are the hardest workers in America and every fan and player should thank them and kiss their boots for getting out of bed in the morning and gracing them their benevolent services.

Long term I would like to see sports officiated by open sourced AI code where any fan could download the code, feed in the same game footage and data that was broadcast live to subscribers, and their computer would make the same call on any given play that was made in the game by the AI live. To rig the officiating in that kind of system, someone would have to edit 10 camera of video footage in real time while it is being broadcast out. The way technology is going, AI officiating could be very feasible in 10 years and as long as the code is open, it would be perfectly fair, and while close calls would still occur there would never be bias.

02-24-2024, 12:53 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,304	Re: The NFL is rigged Originally Posted by TheOak I’ve got to hear how the PGA is rigged. There would be lots of easy ways to do it. Remotely controlled electromagnet or gyroscope in the ball. Buried device in the tee box that creates a subtle imperceptible vibration as the ball is being hit. Swapped clubs with a weight imbalance. You can have a lot of conspiracies about the NFL, but golf literally just got taken over by a foreign government in a forced merger. The champions wear weird green jackets like some secret society. They tour a series of exclusive private clubs owned by reclusive ivy league billionaires. Every player is a walking endorsement covered in branded gear with big logos and brand names everywhere. Each player is allowed to use their own ball while in the NFL a few psi in cold weather leads to fines. They never touch the ball with their bare hands only equipment they also provide which creates a lot more opportunity to rig events than the NFL where its body to body and hand to ball pure skill. And besides gambling, every golf match is played for a giant prize so there is even more incentive to rig matches. And while many NFL games are closely matched and there is not much money to make fixing matches for gambling, every golf event has 100-1 and 1000-1 underdogs. I am just observing that a conspiracy to rig golf seems more likely. Remember that there is very little history of major professional team sports being rigged. What has been rigged a lot in history? Quiz shows. Fancy individual sports like the Tour De France where many repeat champions doped. Chess is awash in cheating scandals. Figure skating where the olympics was influenced by an assault. So I think cheating and rigging are more likely in golf than football, its these fancy yale skull and bones types who are more likely to rig stuff, and they like golf.
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02-23-2024, 09:11 PM	#2
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: The NFL is rigged My two cents - I think there is bias and flourishes of intrusion. But the NFL business has become so big and unwieldy I don't think it could be rigged full stop. For example, Madden which has had the exclusive video game license for nearly 20 years, is a bug-infested mess and has all the appeal of stale toilet water. They continue to be tone deaf on the officiating issues. And they're silly enough to think that having games overseas and doing these streaming shenanigans is the key to financial prosperity. When the real answer is simpler and has been staring them in the face (expanding to 36 teams).

02-24-2024, 07:27 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: The NFL is rigged The league has no bias. The league can be selective on which team gets favor and when but there is no bias. The league follows the money trail. I know that zero bias sounds counter intuitive but after you consider what/whom the league is, you’ll understand. The league is not Roger Goodell, Rodger is the commissioner figure head. The league is 32 owners that make up a carefully crafted trade association. To say that the league has bias is to say that some owners prefer teams other than their own which is counter productive. The league is also not boxing and a fix is nearly impossible with the number of people that would have to be in on it. What the league does is meet each year and determine which outcome would bring the most financial benefit then nudge things throughout the season. Purely hypothetical business case. Organically the league would bring in 900BN in 2024. With successful nudging the league would bring in 1.2T in 2024. Either way it’s a win as they will meet their revenue goals but a successful nudging program would mean incentive bonuses to the owners. This is the only way you’d get owners to agree to their team being nudged out. This program is successful because most fans (fandom = pure bias) can’t fathom a pure revenue and compensation centric approach. I’ll wager 2 years salary that every Ref has an NDA in place. B_Dub_Saint, Sinner and K Major like this.
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02-24-2024, 11:48 AM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,043	Re: The NFL is rigged Originally Posted by TheOak The league has no bias. The league can be selective on which team gets favor and when but there is no bias. The league follows the money trail. I know that zero bias sounds counter intuitive but after you consider what/whom the league is, you’ll understand. The league is not Roger Goodell, Rodger is the commissioner figure head. The league is 32 owners that make up a carefully crafted trade association. To say that the league has bias is to say that some owners prefer teams other than their own which is counter productive. The league is also not boxing and a fix is nearly impossible with the number of people that would have to be in on it. What the league does is meet each year and determine which outcome would bring the most financial benefit then nudge things throughout the season. Purely hypothetical business case. Organically the league would bring in 900BN in 2024. With successful nudging the league would bring in 1.2T in 2024. Either way it’s a win as they will meet their revenue goals but a successful nudging program would mean incentive bonuses to the owners. This is the only way you’d get owners to agree to their team being nudged out. This program is successful because most fans (fandom = pure bias) can’t fathom a pure revenue and compensation centric approach. I’ll wager 2 years salary that every Ref has an NDA in place. Salient points made. ^^^
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02-24-2024, 02:51 PM	#5
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The NFL is rigged Fact- NFL refs are part of a union. They cannot be fined for bad calls/ no calls. They can be removed from playoff games or the SB. With the influx of betting, the leagues "integrity" has all but gone away. While I do see the argument of pulling off such a massive stunt without spilling the beans, I also seethe league for what it is. ESPN laid off a lot of people to fire up ESPN BET. Why? Follow the money folks.

02-24-2024, 05:11 PM	#6
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: The NFL is rigged While I'm not going to say rigged, there seem like too many plays where Mahomes will be allowed to scramble or step up into the pocket because of a missed holding call. I don't know if there is just some way he approaches the pocket that confuses refs or what, but they are missing holds when he's out there at a higher rate. AsylumGuido likes this.
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02-24-2024, 05:19 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: The NFL is rigged Originally Posted by hitta While I'm not going to say rigged, there seem like too many plays where Mahomes will be allowed to scramble or step up into the pocket because of a missed holding call. I don't know if there is just some way he approaches the pocket that confuses refs or what, but they are missing holds when he's out there at a higher rate. They're likely being slightly distracted by watching Mahomes and his magic. Holding is hard enough to see in real time in a crowd even when you are looking for it. Of course, you can go to an "eye in the sky" system, but that'll probably result in holding being called on every play. We all know it occurs on every play somewhere on the field.

02-24-2024, 05:51 PM	#8
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,754	Re: The NFL is rigged Okay, just for fun, I will chime in here. As far as the refs go, I would lean towards bias before rigging. Mainly because no matter what the refs do, it's still on the players to perform. To actually catch the ball, to make the field goal, to not fumble, to tackle, etc. And yes I understand that the refs can call or ignore a penalty on a big play, but it is still on the players to make that big play. But that's just the opinion of an old guy on his sofa, so what does it mean? AsylumGuido likes this.
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02-24-2024, 05:56 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: The NFL is rigged Originally Posted by stickman Okay, just for fun, I will chime in here. As far as the refs go, I would lean towards bias before rigging. Mainly because no matter what the refs do, it's still on the players to perform. To actually catch the ball, to make the field goal, to not fumble, to tackle, etc. And yes I understand that the refs can call or ignore a penalty on a big play, but it is still on the players to make that big play. But that's just the opinion of an old guy on his sofa, so what does it mean? Old guys on sofas have the advantage of many years of perspective and the time to accurately apply it. B_Dub_Saint likes this.

02-24-2024, 07:04 PM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,304	Re: The NFL is rigged In all seriousness, I kid around about golf. But I think its a legitimate question to ask why football must be the sport that is rigged. It does seem easier to rig a slow one player sport without a lot of moving parts, if you had to rig something. I just don't like golf or soccer much as serious mens athletic sports because I think they are kind of sissy. I could play them, but that also makes them kind of lame that people pay a lot to watch that is low intensity and sort of boring if you aren't the one playing it. Football is interesting enough on its own, it does not need manufactured drama. Golf and Soccer definitely do. I agree that the NFL is biased not rigged. I think the refs give other teams the benefit of the doubt against the Saints because they feel the Saints fans and team challenged their authority and sacred brotherhood when we gave them grief about the no call. They feel they are the hardest workers in America and every fan and player should thank them and kiss their boots for getting out of bed in the morning and gracing them their benevolent services. Long term I would like to see sports officiated by open sourced AI code where any fan could download the code, feed in the same game footage and data that was broadcast live to subscribers, and their computer would make the same call on any given play that was made in the game by the AI live. To rig the officiating in that kind of system, someone would have to edit 10 camera of video footage in real time while it is being broadcast out. The way technology is going, AI officiating could be very feasible in 10 years and as long as the code is open, it would be perfectly fair, and while close calls would still occur there would never be bias.
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