Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997280)

Typical for you: "I don't know how to fix it, but I'm just going to complain until it's fixed."

You know damn well that if a customer of your business was as unhappy with you as you are with the Saints, they would simply go find another business to fill their needs.

Why don't you go do that? Go be a Chiefs fan. They have the organization you want and the championships you want. Then everyone can all be happy.

And I'm not going to ignore you. You are a pest. I'm just as committed to getting you to understand that we realize that the current iteration of the Saints are a work in progress and that nothing is going to significantly change in the next 6 months of the regular season. So, complaining about the composition of the organization, especially without any plan for correcting it (which you dodged exactly as I predicted), is a complete and utter waste of time.

You've been complaining for 2 years. Nothing about the Saints has changed in two years. So, all your complaining does is give everyone here a headache when all we want to talk about is Saints Football in whatever iteration we are operating in.

I've been going to Saints games and have been a Saints fan since 1972. I saw Archie. I was at the grand opening of the SuperDome. I've suffered the paper bag days, and the 1-15 season when the only team the Saints beat was the New York Jets one snowy Sunday in New York. I was there when the Saints won their first playoff game when Hakim dropped the ball. And followed the team after Katrina devastated the 2005 season. I sat my butt in Chicago in 2006 for the Saints first NFC championship game. And I sure celebrated when they finally won it all in 2009. And every season since up to and including last seasons 9-8 campaign.

This period is just a blip in my Saints history. And when folks keep saying that this iteration of the Saints is the worst they've ever seen, that just means they have not been around long enough to really understand what that means.

So, like Guido, and Rugs, and the others, I look at this season with an eye on improvement. This iteration of the Saints are not going 16-1, #1, NFC championship game and Super Bowl win. But if they can continue to make progress, that makes the season worth watching.

Still waiting for your list of replacements. Since you figure you can complain your way to a championship team, you can also advise Mrs. Benson on exactly how to do that too.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997283)

They are blinded by hatred. They make no sense. They, along with the other flunkies, just keep spewing the same hate.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997284)

If I am not mistaken our current leadership has one of the most winning franchises over the past couple of decades. This just shows us all how void of sense to which most of these hater flunkies have been afflicted.

But, great advise, SFIAH! They need to go move their "fandom" to a team that has all of the boxes which they claim to require being checked. Believe me, NONE of us would miss miss them one iota. Regardless of what they may claim they were most likely never a fan of the Saints until they won it all and now turn to hate when it hasn't quickly happened again.

If they do choose to move on all I can say is don't let that door hit you in the ass. There's plenty of real fans looking to enter that swinging door.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997287)

MEMO: I am a FAN. NOT in a position to fix anything or even offer ideas about how to fix anything. That’s all above my pay grade (by millions of miles and dollars). My job is to be as pissed off as I want, until my team wins. There are multi millionaires taking Quido’s money who are in charge of fixing this. I’m here to vent about how they are failing to do so. If you can deal with another lackluster season from our Saints, you can deal with me being pissed.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997288)

“The Saints had a winning season last year. So, what makes you think this current bunch can't do it again?

You guys are so blind with hate for the current regime you are not even making sense anymore.

SFIAH”

If NOT WINNING the abysmal NFC SOUTH last year is being equated to having a winning season, “blind with love” is as serious an affliction as blinded by hate.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997292)

But why do you feel the need to come here and talk about being pissed? Go make your own fan haters site: blackandgoldsux.com or dennisallensux.com and you and all the other people here drinking the hateraid on a regular basis can complain to your hearts content and leave the rest of us who want to talk about Saints football here in the real world alone.

The bottom line is that you a disruptive here. There cannot be a single solitary post about anything going on with the Saints without you coming on and crapping all over it because you are pissed. So, instead of getting what you want, which is for everyone to be pissed with the Saints administration, all you get is everyone being pissed with you. We are not going to redirect our anger at how you treat this site. You are causing it because you won't shut up, and you won't leave. So, my only frustration is with you personally.

I really don't care if you are pissed or not. And dealing with you from now on is calling you out on every post you make until you, personally, outline how the Saints are going to meet your vision. You're not going to be able to come here, spew your hatred, and then hide you hands behind "It's not my job to figure it out. I'm pissed and somebody needs to fix it."

So, until you can give a set of concrete steps that the organization needs to take to fix this to your satisfaction with specific personnel to get the job done, I will keep asking the question.

Who replaces the people you want gone? Name names. Explain their vision. Show how that vision gets it done.

There are a couple of teams recently that have done what you want. The 49ers brought in John Lynch and Kyle Shannahan. Or the Detroit Lions bringing in Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell. Both have made progress. But there are zero championships between them since the Saints won in 2009.

The inept front office of the Saints clearly cannot make the moves you want to get the championship you are so desperate for. So, help them out and outline exactly who nees to get hired to get this done.

You're not just a fan, you are a complainer. You can see the problem. You complain about the problem. So, you need to fix the problem.

Take all the time you need. I'll wait.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997294)

How about I DO ME and YOU DO YOU? Let’s start from there. Meanwhile, the Niners will do what they do, the Lions will do what they do… and as long as my Saints keep doing what they do (or don’t do), I’ll complain as much as I need to.

If my complaining bothers you more than us not even being able to win the NFC SOUTH, you best set me to IGNORE. It worked wonders for Quido. 😜

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997295)

I can't do me because of you. You disrupt every conversation on this site spewing your bile about how the organization is crappy and everyone needs to be fired. Then when called upon it to say "I'm a fan. It's not my problem to fix it."

And you well know that setting you to ignore is a complete waste of time. Every time anyone posts here, you follow it up. And someone is going to quote you. You are everywhere and that's the problem.

I gave you a suggestion a while ago. Have one single hateraid/fire allen/loomis thread where you can complain to your heart's content and anyone who truly wants to ignore you can simply not read the thread. Of course you rejected the idea because your objective is to inflict maximum damage upon every user of this site because the Saints can't satisfy you. BTW note that I identified a problem and proposed a solution, which is more than you have ever attempted.

The name of this thread is "Reasons to be positive." You have exactly zero positive thoughts about the Saints as currently constructed. And yet, here you are. And that's because you don't want anyone anywhere on this site to say anything other than the Saints are terrible and Allen needs to be fired.

And that's now why me doing me is following up after you. You've identified the problem. Now fix it. Who do you put in these positions so that the Saints can be the team you want them to be? A list of candidates for GM/HC/Owner/President of Football operations/QB/OC and DC would be a good start.

Still waiting on that list. And I'm not taking your lame excuse that you are just a fan and fixing it isn't your problem.

I'm not going into Training Camp, Preseason, and the Regular Season for another year with these truckfulls of horse manure from you in every thread. So, you just don't get to do you here anymore unchecked.

I want to have civil conversations here about the team I follow with people who at least hope that the team can make some progress this year. You are an impediment to that. So, add that to your list of things you need to fix.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997296)

If you can’t do you because of me, you’ve got bigger problems than our beloved Saints having another lackluster year, and that’s less of my responsibility to “fix” than trying to fix the Saints. We can certainly have a civil conversation about REALITY, but I don’t do Kumbaya. That’s just me. Again, if you can deal with another year of Dennis Allen on our sidelines, you can deal with my complaining about it (among other things). Gonna be a long season. Stocking up on low dose aspirin and cigs for sure.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997299)

I am dealing with reality. You are not. The reality is that absolutely nothing is going to change about the Saints organizational structure before January 2025. What it is now is what it's going to be.

That isn't Kumbaya. That's reality. Whether I can deal with another year of Dennis Allen on the sidelines is irrelevant. Dennis Allen is going to be the head coach of the Saints for 2024. He is going to be on the sidelines.

I think you misunderstand where I'm coming from. I'm not saying that your complaints are not valid. If the goal is to field a squad that has a realistic chance of winning a championship in it's current form, the Saints fall significantly short of that goal. And you are probably right that a change in leadership at multiple levels is likely necessary for that to be accomplished.

But none of those changes are going to happen now. The cake for 2024 is baked. If you don't like, at this point all you can do is choose not to eat it.

I'm not asking you not to be angry. I'm not asking you not to complain. All I'm asking is that you put all that vitriol in a single spot on this forum so that the rest of us who have in fact come to the acceptance phase of whatever the 2024 Saints are going to be can at least talk about it.

But as I already said, that's not your objective. Your objective is to make everyone else as angry with the Saints as you are by screaming at anyone who dares to say anything about the current construction of the team other than it needs to be blown up. Guess what? Talking about this team, in it's current form, is the entire purpose of this site. Which means that every post, every thread is a target for you. That doesn't work.

And so, since you're going to complain, I'm just going to keep asking you how do you fix it. Who do you get in here after you've blown up the team? It's the only constructive conversation I can have with you, so I will have that.

There are at least 6 leadership positions in the Saints organization that you want changed. Pick any one of them at start discussing who can fill those positions and what changes they should make. Since it isn't reality, you are free to speculate. There are a lot of football people out in the world. Talk about how some of those football people can make the Saints better instead of just complaining that the current football people in place are not good enough.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997301)

Good people,

I've been spending so much time dealing with Sinner, that I have not posted anything about this thread. Here are my Reasons to be positive:

1. The Saints No fly Zone secondary is back in full effect. The team is smart to continue to reload in this area.

2. The tackle position has been upgraded. It'll be interesting to see how KK's scheme functions with this O-line.

3. TH7 seems poised to be the Ultimate Weapon in this new offense. I hope that we see him on the field a lot more than in Carmichael's scattered scheme.

4. While the first 6 games are front loaded with the Cowgirls, Eagles, and Chiefs, it also has 3 division games which if the Saints can dominate like they did the last 3 division games of last season, would put them in a good position with a much lighter 11 games on the backend.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 997303)

Just ignore Sinner, not with the B&G “Ignore List”, but by moving immediately past all responses with the tortuous blue profile creature for his most current victims post of origin in italics.

It will make your B&G life better because he is just Troll looking for opportunity to add “clicks/posts” with his repeated passive aggressive positions.

A little bit of self preservation goes a long way SFIAH.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997302)

You are as free to continue asking me to do anything, as I am free to complain about the Saints continuing to disappoint. I on the other hand, am not asking YOU to do anything.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 997306)

If I'm ranking my positives, highest to lowest (but still positive)

1. Kubiak
2. Carr improvement (end of season + new OC)
3. Secondary
4. Veteran starters
5. Potential of O Line
6. Potential of D Line

Originally Posted by papz (Post 997307)

My reason to be positive about this season is that it's a new year. It's that simple. I don't have any expectations to be honest so I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised. Nothing has changed in regards to having the talent to here to win games. Hopefully we can remain relatively healthy and make something happen.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997308)

YOU DO YOU! Of course you are asking me to do something. You are asking me to let you complain in peace.

Your complaining is unproductive because absolutely nothing comes of it. At least make it productive by telling us how the Saints turn this around to your satisfaction. Who out there is our Brad Veach and Andy Reid. What can a new GM do that Loomis isn't doing now, which is obviously keeping Dennis Allen instead of getting rid of him and bringing someone else in. Who is that someone else?

Look at the 2024 coaching class. Anyone there you would have replaced Allen for? Who would have a good fit here. My brother wanted Jim Harbaugh in the worst way.

Here a list of 2025 HC prospects. Can any of them turn the franchise around in your mind?

Ben Johnson, Lions OC.
Pete Carroll, former Seahawks HC. ...
Ejiro Evero, Panthers DC. ...
Aaron Glenn, Lions DC. ...
Shane Waldron, Bears OC. ...
Brian Flores, Vikings DC. ...
Frank Smith, Dolphins OC. ...
Al Harris, Cowboys assistant. ...
Mike Vrable
Bill Belechik

BTW this isn't just for Sinner. Everyone is free to join in.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 997303)

Just ignore Sinner, not with the B&G “Ignore List”, but by moving immediately past all responses with the tortuous blue profile creature for his most current victims post of origin in italics.

It will make your B&G life better because he is just Troll looking for opportunity to add “clicks/posts” with his repeated passive aggressive positions.

A little bit of self preservation goes a long way SFIAH.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997312)

No can do. I've tried ignoring him. I've tried other suggestions with him. He is here to destroy this board with his vitriol because the Saints as an organization won't make the changes necessary to bring multiple SuperBowl wins to New Orleans.

So, it's time to hold him accountable. He complains about what he doesn't like. He screams that the Saints needs a complete reorganization from the owner down. But he has no clue as to how to actually do that. And there are other NFL organizations (Panthers, Commanders) that have gone that route which are now in shambles.

I do apologize because I know this is annoying as hell. But this season will be even worse if he goes unchallenged on this because it'll just be all complaints, no potential solutions, and in each and every thread that is posted.

It has got to stop. This is now year 3. It has got to stop.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997311)

Honestly I don't see anyone on that list that would come with any guarantees of making things at the top any better. I seriously think the game has passed both Belichick and Pete Carroll by. The only other one with a decent bit of HC experience is Vrabel and after his somewhat hot start (aided tremendously by one Derrick Henry) his final two years were a dismal 7-10 and 6-11.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997314)

The guy has run off several regulars with his act. I've gotten a degree of relief by setting the loser to ignore, but can only imagine how tiresome it would be to have to endure every noxious post.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997305)

Whew… Im so glad the voice of reason came in to resolve this issue. SINcerely.
🙏🏻

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997318)

Nope. You are not reasonable. So, I am no longer reasonable either.

If you want to shut me up, then answer my question. Who do you replace Allen, Loomis, or even Mrs. Benson in this organization with in order to have the team that you want?

You are going to keep complaining that the Saints need to change. I am going to keep asking you what those changes need to be.

That's our new reality. Get used to it.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997317)

There's no relief. Even your recent posts show that you get the replies to his crap even when it doesn't show the original post. In fact he continues to point out that you specifically should set him to ignore, when it's clear that you ave already done so.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997321)

The sad fact is that when someone replies to the loser the loser's original post IS included in the reply as a quote.

:dead:

I wish there was some way to mute the loser completely.

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997320)

I’m used to it. You’re keeping this love alive! ❤️❤️❤️
I am not asking you to let me complain in peace.
There will not be peace until my Saints put a championship team on the field.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997324)

How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it?

SFIAH

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997325)

The loser doesn't give a **** about the Saints. It is just relishing in the disruption it is creating. It doesn't care about anything other than its ego right now even if it destroys the forum.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/78/1e...2726bf3873.jpg

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997324)

How do they do that? It's a simple question isn't it. Why do you refuse to even speculate on how to do it?

SFIAH

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997328)

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997327)

Speculating will do even less to fix this than complaining.
I don’t answer to you. The Saints do… or don’t. We’ll see.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 997328)

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997330)

How so? Speculation can give some constructive ideas of how to make things better. You are certain that Dennis Allen, and I presume Mickey Loomis, cannot get the Saints back to promised land. So, that means that there are some behaviors or execution elements that you say that makes that so. So, other than the obvious (losing too many games, not making the playoffs, not winning a SuperBowl) what traits to you see in the current regime that causes this? And who out there that have traits that will cause the opposite?

I mean none of this is magic. It's work. You are asking the Saints to do the work. And that's fine. But you must have an idea of what you are looking for in order to fix it.

It's clear that the gold standard right now is KC. Other than the obvious, what are the GM, HC, and QB over there doing that puts them in the championship competition virtually every year that you don't see with the Saints? And who out there other than those guys do you see similar traits?


SFIAH

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997331)

C'mon Guido. You're not really being helpful here. Sinner and some others around here are frustrated with the insignificant progress that the Saints have made in the last 3 years towards securing another championship. And honestly, the proof is in the pudding there. They are not satisfied with fielding a team that doesn't have a realistic chance of winning a championship in a reasonable time frame. That's the truth. It's not trolling.

So, the constructive conversation in this area has two parts. First is to clear out the current regime at some level. And Saints fans all over have been calling for that for a while now. But no one seems to want to address the pretty obvious second part: then who do you replace them with? And that's the question that I'm asking.

So, I would hope that unless you want to participate in that conversation, which I don't think you do, that it would be best if you just stay out of it. Training camp is starting in a couple of weeks. There's a whole bunch of things that can be discussed about that, the team, the preseason, and the outlook for the regular season. There's no need for you to throw stones in this conversation.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997332)

I’ll say it again, and politely. With all due respect, I am not here to answer to you, or to speculate about what a multimillion dollar organization should or shouldn’t do to fix this. I am just a fan, who saw Drew in decline years ago, and watched absolutely inadequate replacements put into position, and watched Sean Payton basically call it quits (and rightfully so), to be replaced by a limp d*ck with no fire and no ability to command the respect of some truly competent players, and I’ve done the hallucinogenic math at the end of the past few seasons, about who needs to lose to who, in order for us to possibly sneak or squeak into the “PLAYOFFS?!?!? ARE YOU KIDDIN ME?!?!?” And I’m looking at yet another precious year of my life, waiting to see if some unspectacular pieces might somehow fall into place, so that we might make .500 and keep those unspectacular pieces around a bit longer, to ride out a “rebuild” phase that feels like watching paint dry, or more accurately, black and gold paint peeling off the wall.

You keep asking me questions, when you know I’m only going to complain until THEY speculate on how to fix their own (mis) management. So you’re laying down a troll-chow banquet for me to feast on, and then complaining about me complaining. Gonna be a lonnnnnnnnng season bro. WHODAT!!!

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 997334)

I understand that you're going to complain no matter what I say or do. I also know that the Saints brass is 1) not going to do anything during the season and 2) Not publicly discuss any changes they plan to make until they actually do it. So, because of both of these, there is exactly zero chance that we'll hear anything from the Saints about any changes until two or more weeks after the season is over.

Fans speculate about stuff all the time. What players they may get. What record the team may have.

But just as you've done is this post you're pointing out the problems. So, you must have some idea about how to go about turning the ship around. It cost absolutely nothing. And the Saints are not going to listen to any of us anyway. You call Allen a limp-d*ck (real surprised that the bad word filter didn't filter this one). So, who out there isn't. Who is a coach that you admire? Would you take CSP if he were willing to come back?

Just because you're a fan doesn't mean that you don't have a brain. You must have thoughts about how the Saints can get back into the winners circle. All I'm asking is for you to share your thoughts on it.

Even go back to the decline that you saw. How could the Saints have mitigated that at the time? Should the Saints have drafted/traded for a legit successor while Brees was still here? I think many of us thought that the Saints were still in a championship window and that spending resources for Brees' replacement when the team still had a chance to win another SB with Brees may have been premature. In hindsight that may have been shortsighted.

We have 4-6 years of a track record now. Other than the obvious (Mahommes) who else would have panned out for the team?

As for Allen, you definitely think it was a poor choice. Who should they have choosen instead. Did the Saints even get that person in the building at the time? Who would you choose now?

I just don't understand why you don't want to talk about any of this. These are questions that have to be answered to make the changes that you are looking for. Since this is going to be such a long season for you, why not talk about what the Saints could do moving forward to get back to winners circle? I don't think that's troll fodder.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 997335)

You write, “These are questions that have to be answered to make the changes that you are looking for.”

And you also write, “the Saints are not going to listen to any of us anyway.”

I complain until THEY work this sh*t out.