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This is a TRASH forum now because of you and your constant complaining.

Having a realistic view of the team isn't KUMBAYA. It's living in reality, which most normal people do. But most normal people, instead of simply complaining everyday about they no longer have, get to work and figure out how to make their situation better.

You absolutely refuse to do that. All you do is spew trash every day.

SFIAH

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Sure life goes on with you taking out your frustrations on this entire forum.

That team no longer exists. Go find your fix elsewhere.

SFIAH

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I'll be at this every day, just like you trashing the Saints every day.

This is a Saints forum. This is not a TRASHING the SAINTS forum.

All you do is trash the team. Every day. Every post.

You do not belong here.

SFIAH

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Yeah. Also, I for one don't get the narrative that some have that Carr is bad. Even while crippled by Carmichael's play design and calling he still managed to have the 6th highest completion percentage, 12th in TD %, tied for 3rd lowest interception %, 10th highest passer rate and 7th lowest sack rate among other respectable numbers. He had the 10th most TD passes in the league and 21 other starters threw more picks than his eight. It's like some people are so lazy they judged him before he ever took a snap as a Saints QB. But, haters are gonna hate. :rolleyes:

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Wow! We didn't know that! Thanks for telling us that for like the eleven hundredth millionth time.

I'm a disgruntled fan of you and Sinner on this site. I'm tired of your trash. It's unproductive. It's annoying. It disrupts the ability for the rest of us to have any real discussions about the team without being interrupted by your trash talking.

And I've figured out that you don't talk about fixing it. All you want to do is complain, then shrug your shoulders with your little beatnik emoji and state the Saints suck.

If you can't give any solutions of how to move forward, then just sit on the side quietly and let the rest of us discuss it in peace.

SFIAH

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Nope. Nope. Nope. Did it for two years. Not doing it again.

Why don't you just stop posting trash about the Saints. That's not what this forum is for.

SFIAH

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HARDHEADED you are. This is not a forum for trashing the SAINTS. There are FailClown forums for that. Go there.

SFIAH

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Why? It's not like the Saints were 3-13 and had a bottom tier defense last year. The team was 9-8 and finished the season tied for 1st in the division last year.

And supposedly the weakest link, Pete Carmichael, is now gone and the offense is replaced with one that's more QB friendly and systematic.

The Saints 2024 season is going to come down to a handful a games that are realistically toss ups:

1. The Dallas, Philly, KC sequence in the first 5 weeks. Realistically the team could come out of that 0-3. Getting one upset here, especially on the NFC side, would go a long way towards being sucessful.

2. The 3 division games in the first 6 weeks. 3-0 is doable as the team last year went 3-0 in the last 3 and dominated in the process. 2-1 is realistic. Anything worst and you're probably right.

3. The #2 NFC position games: Green Bay and LA Rams. This is the year where the Saints can prove they can compete with quality opponents and these are the teams in the tier they need to show that.

4. Cleveland. Another quality opponent.

They come out with these 500 or above and 2-1 in the division, they are well positioned with the rest of their schedule to get to 10-7.

It's realistic. The only question is can they execute well enough to pull it off.

See what you get from me when every comment isn't just trash talk?

SFIAH

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Your little beatnik emoji… it’s killing my Kumbaya. Waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!

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I think Derek Carr processes slow. For me, it’s easy to read his eyes. Concerns surrounding him are legit, yet overblown at the same time. He’s no worse than average. Our major concern is offensive line. That’s it. That’s the cause for caution.

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$150 mil… I still can’t process that. I would have liked to see Jameis with an offensive line.

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This is all you and mapcow do. This is a fan forum. Let us fans have some fun here. Find an emo site to cry about how unfair life is.

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Realistically I think 9-8 with a historically easily schedule is equivalent to 7-10 with a normal schedule. But the Saints have a notably, but not historically, easy schedule next year, so if they fielded the same team, 8-9 would be a reasonable expectation. But also, this does not account for the Falcons adding Cousins who is a clear major upgrade, so 7-10 is also realistic if Cousins is healthy.

Carmichael being the weakest link is a case of hindsight being 20/20. As you point out, the Saints did not have the weakest offense ever and were not 3-13. Carr has never won a playoff game, despite 10 or so previous years with other OCs. Dennis Allen's best two seasons as a head coach both came with inherited Carmichael as his OC not his hand picked OC's with the Raiders. Allen and Carr were steadfastly loyal to Carmichael during the season and only change their tune when it was his ass or theirs that had to go. We don't know how much Allen, Loomis, or Carr may have interfered with the offense. It is also possible that management forced Carmichael to start Penning at LT, and then to change the entire offense to make covering for Penning a priority over getting open. It's possible Carmichael started mailing it in because he wanted out because impossible things were being asked of him, like covering for the front office drafting some juco sclub with zero talent by making him look like a starting LT for a pass first QB when Penning may not belong in the NFL.

Likewise, it is not proven that Kubiak is any savior. SF was similar before and after his 1 year stint as an assistant. Kubiak could not save Nathaniel Hackett in Denver, nor get Cousins a ring in Minnesota.

Overall, I view replacing Carmichael with Kubiak as 'if we can't make the big change that we probably need, we might as well try the smaller change that might help' but I view it as very possible that Kubiak will be the same or worse because its very possible Carmichael was not the problem and actually has a more successful track record than Carr or Allen in the past.

As to your other points:

1. I agree a win here would be nice. Given Allen's track record, there is not really a precedent for it though, unless one of them is starting a backup QB. Most likely we lose all 3 games.

2. Most likely outcome is 1-2 but 2-1 is possible. You have to account for the Falcons adding Cousins. Cousins is generally a little better than Carr and the Falcons have a much better oline than the Saints even if they are also in a sorry state with a lousy coach and dumb GM. They paid millions to beat the Saints and may achieve that.

3. Both these teams beat the Saints last year. The Saints were the oldest team, had many vets get older, and replaced 3 starting oline with one rookie changing positions. So realistically, more likely we lose these games.

4. Again, we lost to this type of opponent last year, and generally seem to have a weaker roster except for theoretical hope in an offensive coordinator change from a largely unproven/inconsistent young coordinator who we can hope will be good.

None of this means I am not optimistic. I am just optimistic that we can rebuild if we remain fiscally responsible, we can attract a better head coach if we are not ridiculously over the cap, and we can draft a talented young QB if we don't give away all our future draft picks to Howie Roseman. I am optimistic for the scenario I can see with the Saints hosting a Lombardi, and that scenario doesn't happen to feature Derek Carr in 2025 because I don't view that as realistic, because I think the only way that happens is if Kubiak is the best offensive coordinator in the history of football.

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Look at YOU… crying about how unfair life is. Gonna be a long season brother! 🤪

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Salient points… with a whole lotta ifs…

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Yup. Average places him above half the starting QB's in the league. The chances are very slim to find anyone better. Six QB's were drafted in the first round of this year's draft. history tells us that four of those will probably never be a regular starter in the league. One may become another Carr or Kirk Cousins type. One might turn out to be a top 10 type QB in the league. The question is which one would that be?

As for our offensive line, from everything I've read the offensive philosophy being introduced by Kubiak is supposed to be far more o-line friendly. I'm hoping that is true.

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With the contract that our (dis) organization gave Carr, chances of finding anyone better are not slim… they are none.

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Haener or Rattler could very well be better in the near future.

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The nearer, the better.

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Did you just "I'm rubber, you're glue" me? :shock:

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That would be nice. I wish we can be that lucky.

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No. I’m here to talk about my Saints. You’re here to talk about ME.
We’re different.

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It’s not about luck. It’s about recognizing where your strengths lie, and focusing on it as a priority, and kicking the Raider-Refuse to the curb.

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Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of those who thinks he’s the worst QB since Ryan Leaf. He’s put up some good numbers in his career. I agree with Rez, there are concerns but they are overblown. I think with proper coaching and a good offensive line we could see a different Carr. Getting the O-line in order will be key.

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mansplain.... :rofl: Truth hurts. :beatnik:

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facts... not trash. Saints bring it upon themselves. What is a shame, is that you cannot see it, and obviously the people in charge of the Saints organization don't care . :beatnik:

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Nope.... Saints board is EXACTLY the place to voice my opinion and disapporval of the current situation with the Saints. otherwise those that do have the power to change things see it. After all, they MUST be reading it. They see all you other fans so Excited about the upcoming season.... I for one, want them to see a disgruntled "baby boomer" fan's opinion and said disgruntled view. :beatnik:

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why.... same team, same coach, same owner, same fans that like mediocracy. :beatnik:

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facts are facts. reality is reality.... dreaming is dreaming. :beatnik:

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Is it possible to bring #9 back to help out the QB stable? With the young new talent, could he possibly coach them a bit? Or is he all in on Pickle Ball?

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He's all in on his family right now and his many business ventures. Coaching is so demanding at every level. My late father-in-law was a Louisiana High School Hall of Fame coach and I learned from him and my wife how demanding it was.

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It is unlikely, but still remotely possible, that Haener or Rattler could be as good or better than Carr has been in the past. It is much more likely that Haener or Rattler could be as good or better than Carr is in the future, due to Carr declining and the team looking to evaluate cheaper options with more upside. The two are very different questions. Its like comparing prime Donovan McNabb or Drew Bledsoe in the Super Bowl vs later career McNabb or Bledsoe after they put all their hopes on switching teams being the magic ingredient to get to the next left, found themselves still on the B list, and lost the hunger to prove it and moved to the D list. That could happen to Carr this year or next.


The chances of a 1st round pick QB being better than Derek Carr has been are indeed low. 1 in 6 could be reasonable. I am not sure they are way worse if that pick is in the 10-60 range not top 5-10, so taking shots later is fair too.

The thing is, though Carr has been pretty good, he has not been good enough to win a ring. He is also highly paid and aging. When so-so QBs like Carr win a ring, it is usually because they are on their rookie contract or a bargain contract, cost little, and the team is loaded with other talent with cash to add more. Or it can be when a veteran QB goes to a team that is highly loaded and has not yet mortgaged the future and is ready to win now. It will never work to add a QB like Carr to a mediocre .500ish team with a decent but aging defense and a poor oline and coach that is already cash strapped, and gradually build around the aging mediocre QB while watching their salary increase from 30 to 40 to 50 million a year for mediocrity. Its just not a valid formula.

So the best thing for the Saints at QB would be to take a chance with a young player. If they are great, they may win for a decade or two. If they are horrible, there will be a draft pick to take a chance on another in 2-3 years, and during those 2-3 years they can draft talented young oline, pass rushers, receivers, etc with their picks while evaluating the first QB, giving more chances for the next. If the young QB is pretty good but not great, a lateral move from Carr, they will still be much cheaper than Carr on the Salary Cap, leaving room to give them more help than Carr has. And when they get older and more expensive if its still not working, there could be the chance to trade them for picks and rebuild like the Lions did with Stafford or the Packers with Rodgers.

The draft is a gamble. But when you gamble you have a chance to win. Paying Carr $40 million is buying a bronze medal at the pawn shop instead of entering the race at all.

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I’d bring back Drew’s left arm, coached by Quido’s late Father-in-Law, and we’d see more exciting results than Allen and Carr.

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Salient points.

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Too much gambling can also put you in a bad spot for years to come.

For over 40 years I kept saying that I wanted the Saints to win it all one time before I died. They finally did in 2010. And a few years later our name finally came up for season tickets after a 15 year wait. At this point in my life I just want to be able to go to games in the Dome and feel like we have a good chance of walking away with a win. Another championship would be great, but to me it isn't as important as being able to be competitive week in and week out. The fun of being a loyal fan is more important than winning it all. Going through dismal seasons again with the feint hope of someday becoming dominant would be at the very least a huge letdown.

The simple fact is that you nor any of your flunkies can have any impact on this season whatsoever. The perpetual complaining has ruined the site. Any time anyone tries to simply talk about the team either you or one of the flunkies have to hijack the thread to start up yet another ***** session. I agree with the others that this has gotten beyond tolerable. Why don't y'all go find somewhere else, anywhere else, to gripe non-stop?

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To the vast majority of fans, winning championships is much more important than being .500. Especially when the team has already won a championship and gone deep into the playoffs, settling for merely .500 is regression. I can't help it that you may die soon and that the possibility of the team taking a high risk high reward bet is frightening to you. But all the younger fans should not have to give up the chance at the team winning a ring because of your fragile constitution.

Fans like me love our team so we want succeed. You are afraid of our team, so you are against taking a chance where they could embarrass you for a year. Sorry if I want the Saints to conquer the world, not just tread water. Your dream for the Saints is basically the Falcons the last 20 years. Competitive without rings, with a limited QB.

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since you all like what you read......

ranked

22. New Orleans Saints
The New Orleans Saints are essentially running it back with the same cast from the 2023 season, albeit with some minor changes. Years of kicking salary-cap problems down the road are finally starting to catch up to New Orleans. Realistically, this team just doesn’t have the talent or youth to be viable in the NFC. Expect Dennis Allen to be featured prominently on the hot seat this fall.

via https://sportsnaut.com/2024-nfl-power-rankings/

ho hum :beatnik:

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Because your selfish position of just being happy to enjoy your ten hour round trip drive to mop up a refurbished dome, aligned with your incessant mopping up of the endless troll-chow that you pretend to ignore, is what’s wrong with our team. They take your money and happily laugh their way to the bank, while delivering a lackluster product to the rest of us. Your more annoyed with the atmosphere of your little corner of pom pom land on this site, than you are with the powers that be, who continue to annoy fans who still have some fire for winning IT ALL.

You got your one super bowl before you die, and that was 14 years ago, and now you’re happy to ride our team into the swamp. That’s fine. But try to drop the personal insults towards fans who are tired of watching our team limp along through perpetual obscurity, mediocrity and ridicule.

This site is fine. The team is not. And this site provides a great platform for us to vent about it, just as much as it allows you to post your stupid gifs of cows sh*tting, or endless links and statistics that are barely yawn-worthy.

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And you have every right to feel the way you do. But you, and your flunkies, don't have to come in here and destroy every thread with your same monotonous rhetoric. It accomplishes NOTHING beyond forcing all of the other members to wade through your waist deep crap just searching for season relevant content.

Make a thread titled "We hate Loomis, Allen, Carr, and anything else current Saints" and post all of your constant vitriol there so we can simply avoid it. Post away to your hearts content. Believe me, it will be better than being loathed by all the other forum members.

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How about you stop telling people what to do and where to go, and learn how to scroll on (since your IGNORE function is in the same state of disrepair as our Saints)? If you grow up and/or grow a pair, you’ll live longer.