So... who you got as next Saints HC ?

iceshack149 · 10-18-2024, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

I like Flores too. I think Miami ran him off a little early.

I think Flores ran himself off in Miami.

BakoSaint · 10-18-2024, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Nobody up and coming or a big name like Bellicheck will touch the job. $81ml over the cap and look at the highest earners and dead money vs cap savings

With 6 picks next year
Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Round 4
Round 6
Round 6

Way over the cap with a injury probe, over paid roster than you likely have to stick with and few picks to change things up.

If we go all in on the rebuild its not as bad as it looks. We get two post-june-1 cuts which we can use on Carr and Ram. Those save $48 million. Then we cut Kamara and Lattimore as a regular cuts for another $30 million. That basically gets us under the cap. We will need to restructure some players like McCoy, Granderson, Ruiz, etc to get under the cap temporarily while the post-June-1 moves wait to take effect on the cap. Then after those post June 1 moves take effect, we can free up space to sign draft picks. We can rebuild this offseason if we go all in on rebuilding.

Danno · 10-18-2024, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If we go all in on the rebuild its not as bad as it looks. We get two post-june-1 cuts which we can use on Carr and Ram. Those save $48 million. Then we cut Kamara and Lattimore as a regular cuts for another $30 million. That basically gets us under the cap. We will need to restructure some players like McCoy, Granderson, Ruiz, etc to get under the cap temporarily while the post-June-1 moves wait to take effect on the cap. Then after those post June 1 moves take effect, we can free up space to sign draft picks. We can rebuild this offseason if we go all in on rebuilding.

I never bought in to that "we're gonna need 3 or 4 years to rebuild"

With free-agency, the draft and undrafted free-agents, a team can be rebuilt in one season.

From my view shoring up the trenches solves 80% of our problems roster wise. Thats the roux we need for that excellent pot of gumbo. Throw in some spicy free-agents and a skill stud or two and we're back on top, roster wise.

lee909 · 10-18-2024, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Not so sure... think about it. Endure the pain for a year or two with cap cleansing attrition, the benefit of which is high draft picks for at least a couple of years. If you can continue to find gems in UDFA, it can be done.

Saints need a HC the players will respect and listen to. The johny-come-latelys are mostly unproven. Might get lucky, might not.

I remember SP conveying a story about Parcells and staying too long with a certain franchise. The win now culture has shown us the demise of longer tenured coaches with one team, Tomlin notwithstanding. It's the old argument: Is it the coach or the HOF QB? Probably a little of both. Andy Reid says hello in KC after all these years in Philly.

I say let's get our own Andy Reid in bringing BB here. The man just knows and understands football. And he wants to continue coaching. He loves it.

While that makes sense for a front office, how many coaches are going to survive 2 or 3 bad years before they start to see the hopefully improved years. You are likely on the hot seat before the light is visable at the end of the tunnel

BakoSaint · 10-18-2024, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I never bought in to that "we're gonna need 3 or 4 years to rebuild"

With free-agency, the draft and undrafted free-agents, a team can be rebuilt in one season.

From my view shoring up the trenches solves 80% of our problems roster wise. Thats the roux we need for that excellent pot of gumbo. Throw in some spicy free-agents and a skill stud or two and we're back on top, roster wise.

We can get back to competing quickly. But, it will take until 2026-2027 to full heal our salary cap if we go all in to rebuild, longer if we go slower. 2025 we will have to do restructures to afford the cap hits the to get rid of the dead weight. Much of that will hit as dead cap in 2025 but big hits from the two designated post-june-1 cuts, i would propose Carr and Ram, will hit in 2026. But then again our 2026 cap situation will look no worse, it will just be dead cap hits for Carr and Ram instead of their massive salaries, so it will be a minor issue. Then in 2027 we could have a fairly clean cap.

We could contend in 2025 and 2026 with the right draft picks and maybe a few value free agents. But sometimes a team that is almost all the way there needs big cap money to bring in the next Tom Brady, Jalen Ramsey, or Trent Williams to become the top dog. We certainly wont have the money to do that until 2026 or later, ideally 2027 or later.

I think the smart more is to cut the dead weight and aging injured players, try to build a young core, cleanup our cap, and try to find a young QB who clearly has what it takes. Then when that QB is in his window to win and we clearly need a little more boost, then spend the money to get a big free agent and take a shot. Don't spend the big money just to try to get the wildcard, get the wildcard through the draft, hopefully the division through the draft, and then spend for the ring.

10-18-2024, 02:26 PM	#31
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,226 Blog Entries: 1	Re: So... who you got as next Saints HC ? Originally Posted by stickman I like Flores too. I think Miami ran him off a little early. I think Flores ran himself off in Miami.

10-18-2024, 03:19 PM	#32
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,052	Re: So... who you got as next Saints HC ? Originally Posted by lee909 Nobody up and coming or a big name like Bellicheck will touch the job. $81ml over the cap and look at the highest earners and dead money vs cap savings With 6 picks next year Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 6 Round 6 Way over the cap with a injury probe, over paid roster than you likely have to stick with and few picks to change things up. If we go all in on the rebuild its not as bad as it looks. We get two post-june-1 cuts which we can use on Carr and Ram. Those save $48 million. Then we cut Kamara and Lattimore as a regular cuts for another $30 million. That basically gets us under the cap. We will need to restructure some players like McCoy, Granderson, Ruiz, etc to get under the cap temporarily while the post-June-1 moves wait to take effect on the cap. Then after those post June 1 moves take effect, we can free up space to sign draft picks. We can rebuild this offseason if we go all in on rebuilding. Danno and stickman like this.
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10-18-2024, 03:27 PM	#33
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,712	Re: So... who you got as next Saints HC ? Originally Posted by BakoSaint If we go all in on the rebuild its not as bad as it looks. We get two post-june-1 cuts which we can use on Carr and Ram. Those save $48 million. Then we cut Kamara and Lattimore as a regular cuts for another $30 million. That basically gets us under the cap. We will need to restructure some players like McCoy, Granderson, Ruiz, etc to get under the cap temporarily while the post-June-1 moves wait to take effect on the cap. Then after those post June 1 moves take effect, we can free up space to sign draft picks. We can rebuild this offseason if we go all in on rebuilding. I never bought in to that "we're gonna need 3 or 4 years to rebuild" With free-agency, the draft and undrafted free-agents, a team can be rebuilt in one season. From my view shoring up the trenches solves 80% of our problems roster wise. Thats the roux we need for that excellent pot of gumbo. Throw in some spicy free-agents and a skill stud or two and we're back on top, roster wise.

10-18-2024, 03:36 PM	#34
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,786 Blog Entries: 1	Re: So... who you got as next Saints HC ? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Not so sure... think about it. Endure the pain for a year or two with cap cleansing attrition, the benefit of which is high draft picks for at least a couple of years. If you can continue to find gems in UDFA, it can be done. Saints need a HC the players will respect and listen to. The johny-come-latelys are mostly unproven. Might get lucky, might not. I remember SP conveying a story about Parcells and staying too long with a certain franchise. The win now culture has shown us the demise of longer tenured coaches with one team, Tomlin notwithstanding. It's the old argument: Is it the coach or the HOF QB? Probably a little of both. Andy Reid says hello in KC after all these years in Philly. I say let's get our own Andy Reid in bringing BB here. The man just knows and understands football. And he wants to continue coaching. He loves it. While that makes sense for a front office, how many coaches are going to survive 2 or 3 bad years before they start to see the hopefully improved years. You are likely on the hot seat before the light is visable at the end of the tunnel

10-18-2024, 03:41 PM	#35
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,052	Re: So... who you got as next Saints HC ? Originally Posted by Danno I never bought in to that "we're gonna need 3 or 4 years to rebuild" With free-agency, the draft and undrafted free-agents, a team can be rebuilt in one season. From my view shoring up the trenches solves 80% of our problems roster wise. Thats the roux we need for that excellent pot of gumbo. Throw in some spicy free-agents and a skill stud or two and we're back on top, roster wise. We can get back to competing quickly. But, it will take until 2026-2027 to full heal our salary cap if we go all in to rebuild, longer if we go slower. 2025 we will have to do restructures to afford the cap hits the to get rid of the dead weight. Much of that will hit as dead cap in 2025 but big hits from the two designated post-june-1 cuts, i would propose Carr and Ram, will hit in 2026. But then again our 2026 cap situation will look no worse, it will just be dead cap hits for Carr and Ram instead of their massive salaries, so it will be a minor issue. Then in 2027 we could have a fairly clean cap. We could contend in 2025 and 2026 with the right draft picks and maybe a few value free agents. But sometimes a team that is almost all the way there needs big cap money to bring in the next Tom Brady, Jalen Ramsey, or Trent Williams to become the top dog. We certainly wont have the money to do that until 2026 or later, ideally 2027 or later. I think the smart more is to cut the dead weight and aging injured players, try to build a young core, cleanup our cap, and try to find a young QB who clearly has what it takes. Then when that QB is in his window to win and we clearly need a little more boost, then spend the money to get a big free agent and take a shot. Don't spend the big money just to try to get the wildcard, get the wildcard through the draft, hopefully the division through the draft, and then spend for the ring.
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