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Chalk it up to another miscalculation by Loomis...

McCarthy's price just went up. I'm not sure the franchise leadership feels confident or stable enough to risk a Brady or Moore hire...

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Good luck to Aaron Glenn.

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I wouldn’t mind McCarthy. He’s been a solid coach. My only issue with him is he seems a bit conservative. He doesn’t take a lot of risks. But this team needs consistency and structure. Who ever the new coach is, they need to bring that to NOLA.

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If they want someone with head coaching experience, he's not a bad choice. I was hoping for more of a rising star coach, but the Saints aren't the most attractive option available, so I guess we get what we get.

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Not one of those teams would have 6 wins in the Big 10 or SEC. What do you think Deion would have done?

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Are we just wanting to lose?

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You can't hire someone who doesn't want the job. I wonder if some of these guys are using the Saints interview as leverage.

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NFL is a small world. Everyone has worked with someone at another organization and does the professional thing by interviewing.

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I'm going back to this comment and saying we land McCarthy.

Loomis's future could hinge on this decision so I can see the collective group giving the keys to a proven commodity coming off a dysfunctional relationship.

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Not phased about Glenn going to the Jets instead of here, his D wasn't exactly anything to write home about.

The Lions had the success they did because their offense got out to fast starts and piled on the points, basically forcing teams to go one dimensional.

Adequate defense by great offense.

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It'll be interesting to see how he fares.

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https://saintswire.usatoday.com/list...en-nfl-rumors/

You know the list is bad when McCarthy looks like one of the best ones on the list. I mean, Joe Brady!? He was a flash in the pan at LSU and look what he did with the Panthers?!

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Another factor with Glenn is that clearly his head coach is a strong motivator and personality. If the head coach is more of an offensive whiz or a defensive whiz you can look at the side of the ball that is their expertise and realize there is a risk that the head coach is the real coordinator but maybe the coordinator is an expert understudy who brings the same skill, and you can look at the coordinator on the other side of the ball fairly independently for their body of work. But if the coach is more of a motivator and leadership figure than a scheme whiz, the head coach is probably a multiplier on both coordinators. If a coordinator can produce top 5 units maybe they could do that without the head coach, maybe not. But if the coordinator is producing 20-30 ranked units, as Glenn has, I have to wonder if he would produce 25-32 ranked units without the benefit of a Campbell's motivation and leadership. Dan Campbell strikes me as a very strong personality, an alpha type leader, but often that type of coach sucks up all the air in the room and does not surround themselves with equally strong personalities, they surround themselves with natural subordinates.

At least when the Jets hired Robert Saleh, they hired a defensive coordinator from a team that was known for their defense, and where the offensive minded head coach was known as more of a scheme nerd than a master motivator getting the entire team fired up. Now the Jets have returned to the formula of hiring a defensive coordinator from a winning team, except they picked a winning team that got less far in the playoffs, had a mediocre to poor defense, and where the only thing keeping that defense from being ranked 32 may have been a head coach whose leadership skill equally benefitted the defense.

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Take it for what it’s worth, but an unverified source - >> Aaron Glenn wanted Mickey Loomis removed from GM position in order to take Saints job.

This is something I can believe.

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I can believe he didn't want to work with Mickey, but that is a ballsy ask when interviewing for a job.

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Any love for Kingsbury?

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It’s possible that Glenn or one of the coaches he planned to add to his staff has struggled with alcoholism in the past and cannot be around someone like Mickey.

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Not really.

Win, lose or draw, Aaron was in high demand & apparently went to where he would be supported.

He will have a lot of input as to who will become the next GM in NY.

Gum smacking Mickey Loomis has been pretty arrogant and dismissive about the issues the team has over the past few years and I can understand where a candidate would want some assurance that there was a better partner to work with. This may be his ONLY chance as HC with the Jets.

I wish him well. He has a lot of work to do.

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If we ever manage to get Loomis to resign/retire, this was a solid event in the timeline leading up to it. I'll take it.

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We have Kai and Ireland waiting in the wings.

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Looks like we're getting into slim pickins territory guys. Looks like our team is less than ideal because of the GM and the cap situation.

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I wouldn’t say that.

Joe Brady
Kliff Kingsbury
Kellen Moore

Three good, young offensive minds out there.

Nobody put in a call to Brian Flores yet either. He’s probably blackballed though.

And still…Mike McCarthy is better than Dennis Allen.

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Flores and KK out of that list. KK is still getting a check from AZ. Not sure he's motivated yet. He did decent with a shorty QB in AZ.

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Mike McCarthy is far superior to DA. Looking at record alone, he's essentially Sean Payton.

Look, I'd love to have one of the young wunderkinds come in and revolutionize this franchise. But I wonder if we have the right GM to make it all happen.

It just feels like they'll want someone more proven, with HC experience and the vision for leading an entire team, not just the offense or the defense.

If we "end up" with McCarthy we'll all be happy because the Saints will be in the playoffs again inside 2 years.

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I agree completely. McCarthy is a huge upgrade over DA. And he’s proven.

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And....he's a GOOD coach.

Side note the rumors that AG wanted Loomis replaced are disturbing and also validate our thoughts about how professionals view him...

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Nibbles, but no bites. Not sure we have the right bait to hook any of these fish.

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Mike McCarthy come down.

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Did not Dennis Allen out coach McCarthy and the Saints defeated the Cowboys 44 -19..... Not Saying too much for McCarthy! :beatnik:

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We’re the only job left besides the Cowboys. Seems like we’ll be able to choose whoever we want. I like what I see out of Washington’s offense, so Kingsbury is probably my #1 right now. I’d be fine with Joe Brady too just because.

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Sure, but is it really saying anything? I wouldn’t put too much into.

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Maybe the reason that the Saints were so great at the start of the season is that a team made up of old savvy veterans, highly injury prone players, players who play recklessly and take risks, and a roster built on the philosophy of trading up in the draft and signing the #1 free agent at the expense of depth, that all that is a roster built to start fast and fade quick. Our roster philosophy was screw depth, screw youth, ignore college injuries, win the week one paper lineup war at all costs, and switch to a more physical offense to really light it up.

In the end, McCarthy had a down year, but Dennis Allen has never had an up year. But damned if Mickey Loomis didn't build Dennis Allen the perfect roster to have an up half month. If the Saints hadn't faced a conference championship caliber team that excels in the trenches week 3, maybe they could have had a good month. But with no depth, and so many old and fragile players, it was never built to last.

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LOL... DA then went on to lose 7 straight. Nice try.

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With Jerry Jones doing Jerry Jones things, it's now down to Mickey to consult his liquor cabinet and Hill Street Blues reruns to determine our next coach.

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There is a truth bomb for ya.