DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD

04-25-2025, 10:27 PM

That pick is a question mark.

lee909 · 04-26-2025, 12:44 AM

Just about every QB in every draft is a question mark and all but a handful every few years are anything more than a bridge/average QB.

No issue at all with taking him at 40. He's the QB Moore wanted and other teams still need a QB so he took no chances and got his man. And if he's is t good enough they'll be picking top 10-15 again and you go and get one next year

I'd love to see a work horse RB and a LG

TheOak · 04-26-2025, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I am skeptical that Moore is actually driving this. Before the hire Mickey Loomis stressed that the most important thing for the coaching hire was to be 'on the same page' as him. I feel like Moore's job is to say yes sir, absolutely sir, you sure are a genius Mr. Loomis sir.

‘Same page’ and ‘yes man’ are two different things. ‘Same page’ is same direction, common end goal and vision. ‘Yes man’ means their goal and direction are irrelevant.

Very different in this regard.

Think of that like asean Payton saying he needed to find a “good fit”. It’s standard BS lol

dizzle88 · 04-26-2025, 03:21 AM

The Tyler Shough pick, hopefully shows the door to Derek Carr. So for that reason alone, I like the pick.

In terms of the player, Louisville fans are saying how much they liked him and how reliable a passer he is. So let's give Kellen a chance.

This is the highest we've drafted a QB in forever, so they obviously see something worthwhile. They've drafted him to start, so let's support him.

If he's rubbish, then we'll be drafting again, it's that simple. Let's just let Kellen build what he's trying to build first. This isn't an overnight fix, the team has too many holes, but the dude deserves some time.

spkb25 · 04-26-2025, 06:26 AM

Anyone here would have to be appreciative of the lack of trading your future for the move up that doesn't work out

spkb25 · 04-26-2025, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

And everything is a smart move to Guido and Loomis as long as they can use it to blame losses on injuries forever.

Well one of the things AG is never going to admit is the horrible handling of the Carr situation. When Loomis did his annual kick the can down the road routine, he did it by guaranteeing Carr's salary without any restrictions. Now Carr doesn't have to pass a physical or play another down to get his entire contract.

So, yeah, on loomis

SmashMouth · 04-26-2025, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I think Shough could turn into a great NFL player, even though I have no idea why we took him in the second round. We almost certainly would’ve had other chances to get him. Maybe the upside was just too much for us to pass on. Either way, I believe he’s going to make waves. I think Dart will as well. I like Milroe too, though I think Shough and Dart will end up being better. As for Sanders, I get why we passed. There just isn't much on film that screams NFL quarterback. Most of his throws were short, quick passes—nothing that shows real anticipation or high-level traits. Nothing about him jumps off the screen to me.

Maybe not based on what other QBs were taken after. We'll find out soon enough why Shedeur is still sliding down the draft board.

I posted the Shough highlights in his own thread. His game vs Clemson was impressive. I think I read somewhere he runs a 4.43, not bad for a dude who's 6'5" 223lbs. He seems to be able to read and process quickly. I never heard of him until yesterday. Not that surprising in light of his unfortunate almost yearly bone breakage injury history. He had a solid season at Louisville, however. Are there not quality QBs from Louisville in the NFL right now? I guess we'll see if we stole him or not.

SmashMouth · 04-26-2025, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Its cool that Shough has a size and arm talent, but to ignore his injury history and call him the most pro ready is silly. Shadeur Sanders has a similar number of attempts, more TDs, and less INTs at the D1 level. The same number of reps with more TDs and less INTs tells me Sanders is more pro ready. Shough is just big and old.

I am not sure a 26 year old rookie has ever had a successful NFL career? Is there precedent? Warren Moon was older but he played 4 years in the CFL first and won the grey cup every year. There have been a few great 6'1-ish QBs who didnt run. I can't find any successful QB who came out of college at 26. So not only does Shough have to turn from glass to steel, he then has to not be steel Chris Weinke or steel Brandon Weeden.

Kurt Warner and Russell Wilson ? There's prolly more...

papz · 04-26-2025, 07:16 AM

Gunnar Helm, TE, UT
Cam Skattebo, RB, ASU
Miles Frazier, G, LSU

Guys that could help us in the 4th. I’m big on taking big ugly interior lineman in the mid rounds. I’m hoping we take a guard here.

SmashMouth · 04-26-2025, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Gunnar Helm, TE, UT
Cam Skattebo, RB, ASU
Miles Frazier, G, LSU

Guys that could help us in the 4th. I’m big on taking big ugly interior lineman in the mid rounds. I’m hoping we take a guard here.

All three are good with me. Can we get the RB and the G both ?

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04-26-2025, 12:44 AM	#212
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Just about every QB in every draft is a question mark and all but a handful every few years are anything more than a bridge/average QB. No issue at all with taking him at 40. He's the QB Moore wanted and other teams still need a QB so he took no chances and got his man. And if he's is t good enough they'll be picking top 10-15 again and you go and get one next year I'd love to see a work horse RB and a LG papz and SmashMouth like this.

04-26-2025, 03:05 AM	#213
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Originally Posted by BakoSaint I am skeptical that Moore is actually driving this. Before the hire Mickey Loomis stressed that the most important thing for the coaching hire was to be 'on the same page' as him. I feel like Moore's job is to say yes sir, absolutely sir, you sure are a genius Mr. Loomis sir. ‘Same page’ and ‘yes man’ are two different things. ‘Same page’ is same direction, common end goal and vision. ‘Yes man’ means their goal and direction are irrelevant. Very different in this regard. Think of that like asean Payton saying he needed to find a “good fit”. It’s standard BS lol SmashMouth likes this.
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04-26-2025, 03:21 AM	#214
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,532	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD The Tyler Shough pick, hopefully shows the door to Derek Carr. So for that reason alone, I like the pick. In terms of the player, Louisville fans are saying how much they liked him and how reliable a passer he is. So let's give Kellen a chance. This is the highest we've drafted a QB in forever, so they obviously see something worthwhile. They've drafted him to start, so let's support him. If he's rubbish, then we'll be drafting again, it's that simple. Let's just let Kellen build what he's trying to build first. This isn't an overnight fix, the team has too many holes, but the dude deserves some time. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and frydaddy like this.
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04-26-2025, 06:26 AM	#215
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,133	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Anyone here would have to be appreciative of the lack of trading your future for the move up that doesn't work out saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and stickman like this.

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04-26-2025, 06:46 AM	#216
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,133	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Originally Posted by BakoSaint And everything is a smart move to Guido and Loomis as long as they can use it to blame losses on injuries forever. Well one of the things AG is never going to admit is the horrible handling of the Carr situation. When Loomis did his annual kick the can down the road routine, he did it by guaranteeing Carr's salary without any restrictions. Now Carr doesn't have to pass a physical or play another down to get his entire contract. So, yeah, on loomis

04-26-2025, 06:53 AM	#217
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,689 Blog Entries: 29	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Originally Posted by hitta I think Shough could turn into a great NFL player, even though I have no idea why we took him in the second round. We almost certainly would’ve had other chances to get him. Maybe the upside was just too much for us to pass on. Either way, I believe he’s going to make waves. I think Dart will as well. I like Milroe too, though I think Shough and Dart will end up being better. As for Sanders, I get why we passed. There just isn't much on film that screams NFL quarterback. Most of his throws were short, quick passes—nothing that shows real anticipation or high-level traits. Nothing about him jumps off the screen to me. Maybe not based on what other QBs were taken after. We'll find out soon enough why Shedeur is still sliding down the draft board. I posted the Shough highlights in his own thread. His game vs Clemson was impressive. I think I read somewhere he runs a 4.43, not bad for a dude who's 6'5" 223lbs. He seems to be able to read and process quickly. I never heard of him until yesterday. Not that surprising in light of his unfortunate almost yearly bone breakage injury history. He had a solid season at Louisville, however. Are there not quality QBs from Louisville in the NFL right now? I guess we'll see if we stole him or not.

04-26-2025, 07:01 AM	#218
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,689 Blog Entries: 29	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Originally Posted by BakoSaint Its cool that Shough has a size and arm talent, but to ignore his injury history and call him the most pro ready is silly. Shadeur Sanders has a similar number of attempts, more TDs, and less INTs at the D1 level. The same number of reps with more TDs and less INTs tells me Sanders is more pro ready. Shough is just big and old. I am not sure a 26 year old rookie has ever had a successful NFL career? Is there precedent? Warren Moon was older but he played 4 years in the CFL first and won the grey cup every year. There have been a few great 6'1-ish QBs who didnt run. I can't find any successful QB who came out of college at 26. So not only does Shough have to turn from glass to steel, he then has to not be steel Chris Weinke or steel Brandon Weeden. Kurt Warner and Russell Wilson ? There's prolly more...

04-26-2025, 07:16 AM	#219
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,790	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Gunnar Helm, TE, UT Cam Skattebo, RB, ASU Miles Frazier, G, LSU Guys that could help us in the 4th. I’m big on taking big ugly interior lineman in the mid rounds. I’m hoping we take a guard here. iceshack149 likes this.

04-26-2025, 07:18 AM	#220
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,689 Blog Entries: 29	Re: DRAFT 2025 LIVE THREAD Originally Posted by papz Gunnar Helm, TE, UT Cam Skattebo, RB, ASU Miles Frazier, G, LSU Guys that could help us in the 4th. I’m big on taking big ugly interior lineman in the mid rounds. I’m hoping we take a guard here. All three are good with me. Can we get the RB and the G both ?