Derek Carr Retires

05-12-2025, 02:13 PM

WhoDat!656 · 05-16-2025, 04:29 PM

Report: Derek Carr had representative talk to other teams about interest before retirement

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ore-retirement

SmashMouth · 05-17-2025, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Report: Derek Carr had representative talk to other teams about interest before retirement

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ore-retirement

Without asking Saints for permission as it turns out. Plenty of funny business in there.

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AsylumGuido · 05-17-2025, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

The Delta between Shough vs Rattler will need to be significant and painfully obvious that Shough is behind Rattler for Rattler to be game 1 starters . Moore’s 1st draft as a head coach, his 1st QB selected is a lot of capital to navigate. Not saying it can’t be done.

I would watch for potentially signed a veteran QB possibly someone Moore has worked with and has working insight to help out the QB room. Haener might not be safe. We don’t know what we don’t know it will be interesting.

Maybe now on reflection some the moves Mickey made looks have saved the team $30 million salary previously guaranteed for injury only.

It was scheduled to be !20 million in 2025 and 60 million in 2026. Now &13.2 million 2025 and $35.7 in 2026.

I believe you are giving Moore far too much credit. While he certainly had some input into the selection of Shough, he was no where near the decision maker. Even with Dennis Allen's tenure with the Saints he wasn't the one making the calls come draft time. Payton earned it over time, but no Saints head coach since Ditka had that say and he screwed the pooch bigtime.

TheOak · 05-19-2025, 06:39 AM

Some people seem to be surprised by this? He refused to live in New Orleans and spends his off season time podcasting about exotic cars with his brother.

He f**d us by not retiring before the draft.

In a state where minimal effort gets you hometown love for practically the rest of your existence; he failed to do the minimum which was embrace the team, the city, or the state.

I hope he is selling broken dildos by this time next season.

BakoSaint · 05-19-2025, 10:01 AM

Politics aside, there are definitely some parallels between the handling of Carr and Biden's medical issues. In both cases someone who was not able to continue was put up for another term while hiding medical issues their team was aware of from the public, money and time was spent on a plan that could not move forward, the press and big events were avoided, then their additional term was ended before it ever started, worse medical issues were disclosed, and they were replaced with a second pick who had very little experience in competition. I don't want to get into politics, but its an interesting parallel that shows people would like leaders to be more transparent but many leaders are more focused on obsessively controlling the optics.

BakoSaint · 05-19-2025, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/RossTuckerPod/st...98157438337473

I agree with all of this. I don't think Carr would have given up the $30 million unless the Saints were prepared to fight him on it if he didn't. Another possible element to this is that perhaps there are some concerns the shoulder could be a non-football injury and/or perhaps the Saints made clear to Carr that if he sat on IR for 2025 he would have to compete to make the roster in 2026 and the Saints could decide to cut him on the final cuts in August 2026 which would make it hard to find another team.

I can't point to any incident in the history of the NFL where a player got injured on purpose or to cover up a non-football injury, but if there was one situation in the entire history of the NFL where the possibility of that scenario was a little less than zero, it would be Derek Carr, and aging immobile QB with a 4-8 record and a distant chance of a playoff berth in a non-critical 2nd down with the lead decided that was the moment for the first time in his career to put everything on the line and try to hurdle defenders, and then came down with injuries to his left hand, right shoulder, and a concussion, but didn't disclose the left shoulder until months later, because a headache and a broken non-throwing hand prevented him from noticing. Its not inconceivable that Carr hurt his shoulder doing an engine swap on his Bentley or something like that and was afraid to see a doctor and unsure if it was a serious injury or not, and made a split second bad decision to hurdle in order to have a cover for the injury, then later felt remorse and retired.

AsylumGuido · 05-19-2025, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Politics aside, there are definitely some parallels between the handling of Carr and Biden's medical issues. In both cases someone who was not able to continue was put up for another term while hiding medical issues their team was aware of from the public, money and time was spent on a plan that could not move forward, the press and big events were avoided, then their additional term was ended before it ever started, worse medical issues were disclosed, and they were replaced with a second pick who had very little experience in competition. I don't want to get into politics, but its an interesting parallel that shows people would like leaders to be more transparent but many leaders are more focused on obsessively controlling the optics.

My father died from an extremely aggressive form of prostate cancer that was diagnosed as stage 4 less than three months after getting a completely clear exam. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about with this latest pile of horse crap.

iceshack149 · 05-19-2025, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

My father died from an extremely aggressive form of prostate cancer that was diagnosed as stage 4 less than three months after getting a completely clear exam. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about with this latest pile of horse crap.

Don't be so dramatic. This is a forum full of opinions and I'm with Bako on this one.

AsylumGuido · 05-19-2025, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Don't be so dramatic. This is a forum full of opinions and I'm with Bako on this one.

Just pointing out how over dramatic Bako was being with his latest conspiracy theory. I've been out of the country for the past two weeks and actually missed his comedy.

I'm sorry, but his uninformed theory on Biden just hit home closely. Dad was about the same age and fully healthy at his last complete semi-annual checkup which included an ideal PSA test. Hell, he'd been shooting his age in golf regularly at the time. He started having symptoms a couple of months later out of the blue. It was already stage 4 from being completely absent just weeks before.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,092	Re: Derek Carr Retires Report: Derek Carr had representative talk to other teams about interest before retirement https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...ore-retirement

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat The Delta between Shough vs Rattler will need to be significant and painfully obvious that Shough is behind Rattler for Rattler to be game 1 starters . Moore’s 1st draft as a head coach, his 1st QB selected is a lot of capital to navigate. Not saying it can’t be done. I would watch for potentially signed a veteran QB possibly someone Moore has worked with and has working insight to help out the QB room. Haener might not be safe. We don’t know what we don’t know it will be interesting. Maybe now on reflection some the moves Mickey made looks have saved the team $30 million salary previously guaranteed for injury only. It was scheduled to be !20 million in 2025 and 60 million in 2026. Now &13.2 million 2025 and $35.7 in 2026. I believe you are giving Moore far too much credit. While he certainly had some input into the selection of Shough, he was no where near the decision maker. Even with Dennis Allen's tenure with the Saints he wasn't the one making the calls come draft time. Payton earned it over time, but no Saints head coach since Ditka had that say and he screwed the pooch bigtime.

05-19-2025, 06:39 AM	#35
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Derek Carr Retires Some people seem to be surprised by this? He refused to live in New Orleans and spends his off season time podcasting about exotic cars with his brother. He f**d us by not retiring before the draft. In a state where minimal effort gets you hometown love for practically the rest of your existence; he failed to do the minimum which was embrace the team, the city, or the state. I hope he is selling broken dildos by this time next season. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth, 4everSaint and 1 others like this.

05-19-2025, 10:01 AM	#36
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Derek Carr Retires Politics aside, there are definitely some parallels between the handling of Carr and Biden's medical issues. In both cases someone who was not able to continue was put up for another term while hiding medical issues their team was aware of from the public, money and time was spent on a plan that could not move forward, the press and big events were avoided, then their additional term was ended before it ever started, worse medical issues were disclosed, and they were replaced with a second pick who had very little experience in competition. I don't want to get into politics, but its an interesting parallel that shows people would like leaders to be more transparent but many leaders are more focused on obsessively controlling the optics.
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05-19-2025, 10:14 AM	#37
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/RossTuckerPod/st...98157438337473 I agree with all of this. I don't think Carr would have given up the $30 million unless the Saints were prepared to fight him on it if he didn't. Another possible element to this is that perhaps there are some concerns the shoulder could be a non-football injury and/or perhaps the Saints made clear to Carr that if he sat on IR for 2025 he would have to compete to make the roster in 2026 and the Saints could decide to cut him on the final cuts in August 2026 which would make it hard to find another team. I can't point to any incident in the history of the NFL where a player got injured on purpose or to cover up a non-football injury, but if there was one situation in the entire history of the NFL where the possibility of that scenario was a little less than zero, it would be Derek Carr, and aging immobile QB with a 4-8 record and a distant chance of a playoff berth in a non-critical 2nd down with the lead decided that was the moment for the first time in his career to put everything on the line and try to hurdle defenders, and then came down with injuries to his left hand, right shoulder, and a concussion, but didn't disclose the left shoulder until months later, because a headache and a broken non-throwing hand prevented him from noticing. Its not inconceivable that Carr hurt his shoulder doing an engine swap on his Bentley or something like that and was afraid to see a doctor and unsure if it was a serious injury or not, and made a split second bad decision to hurdle in order to have a cover for the injury, then later felt remorse and retired. jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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05-19-2025, 10:19 AM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by BakoSaint Politics aside, there are definitely some parallels between the handling of Carr and Biden's medical issues. In both cases someone who was not able to continue was put up for another term while hiding medical issues their team was aware of from the public, money and time was spent on a plan that could not move forward, the press and big events were avoided, then their additional term was ended before it ever started, worse medical issues were disclosed, and they were replaced with a second pick who had very little experience in competition. I don't want to get into politics, but its an interesting parallel that shows people would like leaders to be more transparent but many leaders are more focused on obsessively controlling the optics. My father died from an extremely aggressive form of prostate cancer that was diagnosed as stage 4 less than three months after getting a completely clear exam. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about with this latest pile of horse crap.

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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,426 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by AsylumGuido My father died from an extremely aggressive form of prostate cancer that was diagnosed as stage 4 less than three months after getting a completely clear exam. I'm sorry, but you don't have a clue what you are talking about with this latest pile of horse crap. Don't be so dramatic. This is a forum full of opinions and I'm with Bako on this one.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,672	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by iceshack149 Don't be so dramatic. This is a forum full of opinions and I'm with Bako on this one. Just pointing out how over dramatic Bako was being with his latest conspiracy theory. I've been out of the country for the past two weeks and actually missed his comedy. I'm sorry, but his uninformed theory on Biden just hit home closely. Dad was about the same age and fully healthy at his last complete semi-annual checkup which included an ideal PSA test. Hell, he'd been shooting his age in golf regularly at the time. He started having symptoms a couple of months later out of the blue. It was already stage 4 from being completely absent just weeks before.
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