Correcting the offense

GoldenTomb · 01-11-2006, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Why is everyone here so gun hoo on one pick in round 1,2 ? did I miss Something? Are we in the playoffs next year and not have a good pick in next year's draft? We will have home field advantage all of next year? Come on. we will not do great next year. But we may not be sitting at 2 with so much control next year. I think 4 good players on day one will benifit us more in the long run than 1 great and 1 good and call it a day. tell me how we can do it. with just 2 picks unless we are going to accept a 3 to 5 years of rebuilding and at the least one more coaching change. Benson will not open the wallet to avoid it.

This is actually everything i've been trying to say.

Picking Leinart wouldn't be a bad option. I just don't think it would be the BEST option. Yes Leinart will eventually be good but he won't even put up better numbers than AB next season, realistically speaking. And calm down, that doesn't mean i think we should keep AB.

And if we were to get Leinart, we'd have to get the guy some help. We need a decent tight end and a top flight reciever, like Eric Moulds. I won't even mention the other guy because some folks may have a conniption. What we have now isn't adequate, especially for a rookie QB that has a steep learning curve ahead of him. He may be "NFL ready" but everyone will be learning a new scheme this year, which will make the growing pains worse.

Euphoria · 01-11-2006, 02:58 PM

I can go for that only if we trade back in round one for extra picks and if Young isn't there with the second pick.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-11-2006, 03:19 PM

...speaking of drafting a RB, didn't the Saints draft Dulymus when Ricky Williams was on the roster?

... and no hindsight allowed, i.e., RW quitting football. That was 3 years after the fact.

saintswhodi · 01-11-2006, 04:46 PM

Isn't there a SLIGHT monetary difference in drafting a RB at #2 as opposed to # 26 or 23 or wherever deuce went? Could be.....................

Didn't Ricky have the worst contract ever negotiated for a football player that was done by Master P? I am 1000000000000% certain he did not just sign a 50 million dollar contract extension. The situations are barely similar.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-11-2006, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Isn't there a SLIGHT monetary difference in drafting a RB at #2 as opposed to # 26 or 23 or wherever deuce went? Could be.....................

Didn't Ricky have the worst contract ever negotiated for a football player that was done by Master P? I am 1000000000000% certain he did not just sign a 50 million dollar contract extension. The situations are barely similar.

Who's talking about monetary difference?
I'm talking about drafting a position that's apparently already filled. The fact is that RW was hurt 2 seasons on a row before Deuce was drafted, and there were questions about RW's durability. Now, Deuce has been hurt 2 seasons on a row as well, and there are questions about McAllister's durability, so both situations are much more similar than you think, money notwithstanding...

saintswhodi · 01-12-2006, 09:57 AM

Money notwithstanding? In what world? Let me know when they do away with the cap will ya TR? Then we'll discuss fantasy football moves.

GoldenTomb · 01-12-2006, 12:44 PM

Ricky was drafted #5. Deuce was drafted #21 i believe. That does make an interesting point in that we thought Ricky was gonna be our franchise back for years back then....and then Deuce got drafted.

saintswhodi · 01-12-2006, 02:29 PM

Deuce was taken 23rd. Anyone wanna guess how many tens of millions of dollars difference that is compared to a back taken number two, to go with a back who just signed a 50 million dollar making him untradeable extension? Like I said, until they do away with the cap, let's stay away from fantasy football.

The one thing interesting about it was that it was Mueller who got rid of Ricky, causing him to be promptly fired for not informing Benson. I find it very hard to believe a new coach is gonna wanna come in and handcuff himself by taking a player at a position where there is barely a need, and tie up about 80-100 million dollars in RB. Why does that dound like a good idea to anyone?

hagan714 · 01-12-2006, 02:45 PM

So they traded Ricky and saved money and at #23 they replaced him. not in that order. Hey could that tell us something about spending big bucks here?

saintswhodi · 01-12-2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

So they traded Ricky and saved money and at #23 they replaced him. not in that order. Hey could that tell us something about spending big bucks here?

Actually, they signed him to the worst contract in NFL history(almost completely incentive based), causing him to have a minimal cap charge, they then drafted Deuce 23rd, let him sit almost the whole year except towards the end, then traded Ricky and his joke contract, again, cause of there barely being a cap hit. If we had signed Deuce to a similar joke contract, this might be understandable. But two untradeable players at the same position? How much sense does that make?

01-11-2006, 02:58 PM	#31
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Originally Posted by hagan714 Why is everyone here so gun hoo on one pick in round 1,2 ? did I miss Something? Are we in the playoffs next year and not have a good pick in next year's draft? We will have home field advantage all of next year? Come on. we will not do great next year. But we may not be sitting at 2 with so much control next year. I think 4 good players on day one will benifit us more in the long run than 1 great and 1 good and call it a day. tell me how we can do it. with just 2 picks unless we are going to accept a 3 to 5 years of rebuilding and at the least one more coaching change. Benson will not open the wallet to avoid it. This is actually everything i've been trying to say. Picking Leinart wouldn't be a bad option. I just don't think it would be the BEST option. Yes Leinart will eventually be good but he won't even put up better numbers than AB next season, realistically speaking. And calm down, that doesn't mean i think we should keep AB. And if we were to get Leinart, we'd have to get the guy some help. We need a decent tight end and a top flight reciever, like Eric Moulds. I won't even mention the other guy because some folks may have a conniption. What we have now isn't adequate, especially for a rookie QB that has a steep learning curve ahead of him. He may be "NFL ready" but everyone will be learning a new scheme this year, which will make the growing pains worse.
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01-11-2006, 05:05 PM	#35
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Isn't there a SLIGHT monetary difference in drafting a RB at #2 as opposed to # 26 or 23 or wherever deuce went? Could be..................... Didn't Ricky have the worst contract ever negotiated for a football player that was done by Master P? I am 1000000000000% certain he did not just sign a 50 million dollar contract extension. The situations are barely similar. Who's talking about monetary difference? I'm talking about drafting a position that's apparently already filled. The fact is that RW was hurt 2 seasons on a row before Deuce was drafted, and there were questions about RW's durability. Now, Deuce has been hurt 2 seasons on a row as well, and there are questions about McAllister's durability, so both situations are much more similar than you think, money notwithstanding...

01-12-2006, 12:44 PM	#37
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Ricky was drafted #5. Deuce was drafted #21 i believe. That does make an interesting point in that we thought Ricky was gonna be our franchise back for years back then....and then Deuce got drafted.
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01-12-2006, 02:51 PM	#40
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by hagan714 So they traded Ricky and saved money and at #23 they replaced him. not in that order. Hey could that tell us something about spending big bucks here? Actually, they signed him to the worst contract in NFL history(almost completely incentive based), causing him to have a minimal cap charge, they then drafted Deuce 23rd, let him sit almost the whole year except towards the end, then traded Ricky and his joke contract, again, cause of there barely being a cap hit. If we had signed Deuce to a similar joke contract, this might be understandable. But two untradeable players at the same position? How much sense does that make?

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01-11-2006, 02:58 PM	#32
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I can go for that only if we trade back in round one for extra picks and if Young isn't there with the second pick.

01-11-2006, 03:19 PM	#33
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	...speaking of drafting a RB, didn't the Saints draft Dulymus when Ricky Williams was on the roster? ... and no hindsight allowed, i.e., RW quitting football. That was 3 years after the fact.

01-11-2006, 04:46 PM	#34
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Isn't there a SLIGHT monetary difference in drafting a RB at #2 as opposed to # 26 or 23 or wherever deuce went? Could be..................... Didn't Ricky have the worst contract ever negotiated for a football player that was done by Master P? I am 1000000000000% certain he did not just sign a 50 million dollar contract extension. The situations are barely similar.

01-12-2006, 09:57 AM	#36
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Money notwithstanding? In what world? Let me know when they do away with the cap will ya TR? Then we'll discuss fantasy football moves.

01-12-2006, 02:29 PM	#38
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Deuce was taken 23rd. Anyone wanna guess how many tens of millions of dollars difference that is compared to a back taken number two, to go with a back who just signed a 50 million dollar making him untradeable extension? Like I said, until they do away with the cap, let's stay away from fantasy football. The one thing interesting about it was that it was Mueller who got rid of Ricky, causing him to be promptly fired for not informing Benson. I find it very hard to believe a new coach is gonna wanna come in and handcuff himself by taking a player at a position where there is barely a need, and tie up about 80-100 million dollars in RB. Why does that dound like a good idea to anyone?

01-12-2006, 02:45 PM	#39
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	So they traded Ricky and saved money and at #23 they replaced him. not in that order. Hey could that tell us something about spending big bucks here?