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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jergensl it is a falacy(sp) to try to gauge success based off of where someone was picked. each is a unique situation and there are many other factors that contributed to many of those listed being busts. ...
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01-15-2006, 10:36 AM | #51 |
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Re: RE: Re: RE: re: papz
Originally Posted by jergensl
Jeff George solid????
Eli a major success??? What???? |
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01-15-2006, 10:56 AM | #52 |
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the logic I hear is that taking a QB in the first round is too risky. My logic is that the whole friggin draft is a risk no matter what place they are taken in. You pick according to your need or the highest graded person at your pick and cross your fingers and hope that he doesn't get hurt, hold out for another team, or gets busted selling crack. Yeah we need a lot of posistions filled but we get no refunds or exchanges if he is a bust. Just the nature of the game. That being said no-one wants brooks or Bouman to start next year and the QB's we've seen this year are worth taking the chance on for a #2 pick. Stop talking your way out of a high pick, grow some nuts and take a francise QB. Hell we can still pick up another QB in a later round just for bakup purposes.
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01-15-2006, 11:24 AM | #53 |
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The draft is a risk u are right. A franchise QB is always great but if we go that route we are going to have to very aggressive in FA and tweek the offensive line abit to protect the $$$$ on that QB. That maybe why the Tags is out to give us all the FA we can get and minimize the cap penility. I am for picks and defense but i do not see the Tags allowing it. Tommy Boy is Tags #1 b**ch right now. POSITIVE PUBLICITY is Tags #1 goal for the saints and for the NFL. He has to clean-up Tommy boy's mess from this year. Tag does not like what Tommy Boy has done to the NFL image. Amazing how quick he put an end to the moving out and all of a sudden the Dome will be ready for the 2006 opener. Must have an out of state contractor to do the work.
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01-15-2006, 11:27 AM | #54 |
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: re: papz
yeah grow some nuts you pansies...hahahahaha nice post lynwood i absolutly agree.
eli has been a major success for being in his 2nd year of starting. he helped to take his team to the playoffs in his second year. if lwould be very happy if leinart had the same success in his 2nd year and leinart is ranked higher than eli was when he came out. well atleast i scored an 80% in your book and maybe a 90% if you agree eli helped manage his team to a playoff birth. |
01-15-2006, 11:31 AM | #55 |
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The Super Bowl's Starting Quarterbacks (*) = age at time of Super Bowl I - 1/15/67 Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - Alabama (*33) Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - Purdue (31) II - 1/14/68 Bart Starr, Green Bay Packers - Alabama (34) Daryle Lamonica, Oakland Raiders - Notre Dame (26) III - 1/12/69 Joe Namath, New York Jets - Alabama (25) Earl Morrall, Baltimore Colts - Michigan State (34) IV - 1/11/70 Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs - Purdue (34) Joe Kapp, Minnesota Vikings - California (31) V - 1/17/71 Johnny Unitas, Baltimore Colts - Louisville (37) Craig Morton, Dallas Cowboys - California (27) VI - 1/16/72 Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (29) Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - Purdue (26) VII - 1/14/73 Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - Purdue (27) Bill Kilmer, Washington Redskins - UCLA (33) VIII - 1/13/74 Bob Griese, Miami Dolphins - Purdue (28) Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (33) IX - 1/12/75 Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (26) Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (34) X - 1/18/76 Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (27) Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (33) XI - 1/9/77 Ken Stabler, Oakland Raiders - Alabama (31) Fran Tarkenton, Minnesota Vikings - Georgia (36) XII - 1/15/78 Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (35) Craig Morton, Denver Broncos - California (34) XIII - 1/21/79 Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (30) Roger Staubach, Dallas Cowboys - Navy (36) XIV - 1/20/80 Terry Bradshaw, Pittsburgh Steelers - Louisiana Tech (31) Vince Ferragamo, Los Angeles Rams - California, Nebraska (25) XV - 1/25/81 Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders - Stanford (33) Ron Jaworski, Philadelphia Eagles - Youngstown State (29) XVI - 1/24/82 Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (25) Ken Anderson, Cincinnati Bengals - Augustana (IL) (32) XVII - 1/30/83 Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - Notre Dame (33) David Woodley, Miami Dolphins - Louisiana State (24) XVIII - 1/22/84 Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders - Stanford (36) Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins - Notre Dame (34) XIX - 1/20/85 Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (28) Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins - Pittsburgh (23) XX - 1/26/86 Jim McMahon, Chicago Bears - BYU (26) Tony Eason, New England Patriots - Illinois (26) XXI - 1/25/87 Phil Simms, New York Giants - Morehead State (32) John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (26) XXII - 1/31/88 Doug Williams, Washington Redskins - Grambling (32) John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (27) XXIII - 1/22/89 Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (32) Boomer Esiason, Cincinnati Bengals - Maryland (27) XXIV - 1/28/90 Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - Notre Dame (33) John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (29) XXV - 1/27/91 Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - West Virginia (29) Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (30) XXVI - 1/26/92 Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - Washington State (30) Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (31) XXVII - 1/31/93 Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (26) Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (32) XXVIII - 1/30/94 Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (27) Jim Kelly, Buffalo Bills - Miami (FL) (33) XXIX - 1/29/95 Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - BYU (33) Stan Humphries, San Diego Chargers - NE Louisiana (29) XXX - 1/28/96 Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (29) Neil O'Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers - Maryland (29) XXXI - 1/26/97 Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (27) Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots - Washington State (24) XXXII - 1/25/98 John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (37) Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (28) XXXIII - 1/31/99 John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (38) Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons - Washington (33) XXXIV - 1/30/00 Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (28) Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans - Alcorn State (26) XXXV - 1/28/01 Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - Fresno State (28) Kerry Collins, New York Giants - Penn State (28) XXXVI - 2/3/02 Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (24) Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (30) XXXVII - 1/26/03 Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Florida State (34) Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders - Delaware (37) XXXVIII - 2/1/04 Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (26) Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers - Louisiana-Lafayette (29) XXXVIX - 2/6/05 Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (27) Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia - Syracuse (28) Remember guys there are 78 names on this list and four of them Elway, Plunkett, Aikman and Bradshaw were drafted #1. I don't think the odds are in favor of anyone drafting a QB at #1 or #2. |
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01-15-2006, 11:45 AM | #56 |
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qb can be found in later rounds
This is a reply to anyone who says that there are no franchise qb's outside the 1st round. I hope I am not repeating anyone else's post...Matt Hasselbeck (6th round), Marc Bulger (6th round), Tom Brady (6th round), Jack Delhomme (undrafted), and trent green (8th round, not making it up). Interestingly enough, two of those qbs were drafted or signed by the saints as rookies.
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01-15-2006, 11:46 AM | #57 |
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RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: re: papz
chermy,
i love you and all, but you are a little misguided here. talent evaluation and the draft has changed a lot over the past 40years. if you look at the recent superbowls there are a bunch of those little happy faces (6 since '98). saying that, i don't think getting to a superbowl is a good judge of the success of a qb. collins made it to a superbowl and he is trash. marino only made it to 1 superbowl and he is one of the all time greats. making it to a super bowl is an overall team effort. we should not pick leinart because he alone will take us to a superbowl, but because he can manage and lead an offense to a very successful season. i agree with you defense is a VITAL part of a great team. right now we have a better than average defense and with a little coaching and a few small pickups we can be a top 10 defense. see my other post for that. |
01-15-2006, 11:48 AM | #58 |
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There are alot of us that believe just what you are saying. |
01-15-2006, 11:50 AM | #59 |
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RE: qb can be found in later rounds
i agree with you 623 there are some good qbs in late rounds.
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01-15-2006, 11:57 AM | #60 |
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