Decision on Brooks Coming Soon

papz · 02-24-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by mjf150

No, the bottom line is, if Brooks had put up the numbers that Marino achieved and the team had still failed, then you might have a leg to stand on. But as it is, you're grabbing at straws and making senseless statements.

Good point.

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 02:49 PM

| 1987 mia | 12 | 263 444 59.2 3245 7.3 26 13
| 1988 mia | 16 | 354 606 58.4 4434 7.3 28 23 |
| 1989 mia | 16 | 308 550 56.0 3997 7.3 24 22 |

mjf...here are Marino's stats during those years. Now lets look at offensive scheme. Brooks will never ever throw this much because Haslett was over zealous about our running game. Between 88-89 he threw practically as many picks as he did TD's. You gonna tell me he was not affected? I won't talk about 87 cause of the strike. Now mjf...I singled out this portion of his career because I remember those teams were frutrating to watch.(Like the Saints these last 3 years) You gonna call those numbers successful? Cause if you are then Brooks did great! I remember '86 also. He had a great year. Problem was the defense was like swiss cheese.

2002 New Orleans Saints 16 16 528 283 53.6 3572 6.77 64 27 15
2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 518 306 59.1 3546 6.85 76 24 8
2004 New Orleans Saints 16 16 542 309 57.0 3810 7.03 57 21 16

These are Brooks last 3 years. WOW mjf...the success rate between Brooks and MArino when they had crappy teams is astounding isn't it?

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 03:18 PM

Oh and I won't discuss 2005. I don't think anyone should.

saintswhodi · 02-24-2006, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Oh and I won't discuss 2005. I don't think anyone should.

How convenient.

mjf150 · 02-24-2006, 03:32 PM

Okay, first you convienently left out '05 the most recent and worst year of Brooks' career, which helps to prove his regression and your bias. That year Brooks threw 17 INTs in just 13 games, and only 13 TD's. You also left off Brooks' 58 career fumbles. And as far as stats, in Brooks' case that makes a total of 4 out of six years. In Marino's, it is only 3 out of 17 years. See that is the biggest difference, Marino has the GREAT years to show his proven ability, and Brooks does NOT. You can not win this argument, so just give up.

saintswhodi · 02-24-2006, 03:50 PM

mjf, remember that great sig you had about certain people being impermeable to reason and logic..................................................

mjf150 · 02-24-2006, 03:54 PM

Yeah, I know. All disagreements aside, ya'll have a great weekend. I'm out of here.

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 05:08 PM

Give up?!? HA! Never. LOL. As far as proven ability? Brooks has the only playoff win and the record for most touchdown passes by a Saint. I think he did it in half or almost half the time that Manning did it. But I would definitely have to defend Manning on the point of my whole arguement which is:...bad teams will always affect QB's performances. Even the best of them.
You really wanna bring up '05? Thats your call. Personally I refuse to discuss '05. Lets face it the Saints were definitely not in any kind of mindset to play good football. The fact that they went out there each week and tried though makes me love them even more.

One last thing...go look at Marino's stats. I love Marino to death but the reality is... if you look at every season Marino played a full 16 game schedule...take away '84, '86, and '94 you'll see that his numbers really weren't that much better than Brooks. In fact, the were almost the same minus attempts and yardage.(Obviously Haslett depended on the run game a whole lot more than Shula did.)

Well, I'm out. Whether you hate me or not...its all good mjf. i'm always down for a good discussion. You guys have a great weekend. I may stop in but for the most part I'll be back on Monday. Peace to all and Go Saints Go!

Tobias-Reiper · 02-26-2006, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Give up?!? HA! Never. LOL. As far as proven ability? Brooks has the only playoff win and the record for most touchdown passes by a Saint. I think he did it in half or almost half the time that Manning did it. But I would definitely have to defend Manning on the point of my whole arguement which is:...bad teams will always affect QB's performances. Even the best of them.
You really wanna bring up '05? Thats your call. Personally I refuse to discuss '05. Lets face it the Saints were definitely not in any kind of mindset to play good football. The fact that they went out there each week and tried though makes me love them even more.

One last thing...go look at Marino's stats. I love Marino to death but the reality is... if you look at every season Marino played a full 16 game schedule...take away '84, '86, and '94 you'll see that his numbers really weren't that much better than Brooks. In fact, the were almost the same minus attempts and yardage.(Obviously Haslett depended on the run game a whole lot more than Shula did.)

Well, I'm out. Whether you hate me or not...its all good mjf. i'm always down for a good discussion. You guys have a great weekend. I may stop in but for the most part I'll be back on Monday. Peace to all and Go Saints Go!

... it sure smells like goat now!!!!

02-24-2006, 02:20 PM	#71
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Originally Posted by mjf150 No, the bottom line is, if Brooks had put up the numbers that Marino achieved and the team had still failed, then you might have a leg to stand on. But as it is, you're grabbing at straws and making senseless statements. Good point.

02-24-2006, 02:49 PM	#72
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	\| 1987 mia \| 12 \| 263 444 59.2 3245 7.3 26 13 \| 1988 mia \| 16 \| 354 606 58.4 4434 7.3 28 23 \| \| 1989 mia \| 16 \| 308 550 56.0 3997 7.3 24 22 \| mjf...here are Marino's stats during those years. Now lets look at offensive scheme. Brooks will never ever throw this much because Haslett was over zealous about our running game. Between 88-89 he threw practically as many picks as he did TD's. You gonna tell me he was not affected? I won't talk about 87 cause of the strike. Now mjf...I singled out this portion of his career because I remember those teams were frutrating to watch.(Like the Saints these last 3 years) You gonna call those numbers successful? Cause if you are then Brooks did great! I remember '86 also. He had a great year. Problem was the defense was like swiss cheese. 2002 New Orleans Saints 16 16 528 283 53.6 3572 6.77 64 27 15 2003 New Orleans Saints 16 16 518 306 59.1 3546 6.85 76 24 8 2004 New Orleans Saints 16 16 542 309 57.0 3810 7.03 57 21 16 These are Brooks last 3 years. WOW mjf...the success rate between Brooks and MArino when they had crappy teams is astounding isn't it?
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02-24-2006, 03:18 PM	#73
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Oh and I won't discuss 2005. I don't think anyone should.
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02-24-2006, 03:29 PM	#74
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Oh and I won't discuss 2005. I don't think anyone should. How convenient.

02-24-2006, 03:32 PM	#75
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 726	Okay, first you convienently left out '05 the most recent and worst year of Brooks' career, which helps to prove his regression and your bias. That year Brooks threw 17 INTs in just 13 games, and only 13 TD's. You also left off Brooks' 58 career fumbles. And as far as stats, in Brooks' case that makes a total of 4 out of six years. In Marino's, it is only 3 out of 17 years. See that is the biggest difference, Marino has the GREAT years to show his proven ability, and Brooks does NOT. You can not win this argument, so just give up.
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02-24-2006, 05:08 PM	#78
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Give up?!? HA! Never. LOL. As far as proven ability? Brooks has the only playoff win and the record for most touchdown passes by a Saint. I think he did it in half or almost half the time that Manning did it. But I would definitely have to defend Manning on the point of my whole arguement which is:...bad teams will always affect QB's performances. Even the best of them. You really wanna bring up '05? Thats your call. Personally I refuse to discuss '05. Lets face it the Saints were definitely not in any kind of mindset to play good football. The fact that they went out there each week and tried though makes me love them even more. One last thing...go look at Marino's stats. I love Marino to death but the reality is... if you look at every season Marino played a full 16 game schedule...take away '84, '86, and '94 you'll see that his numbers really weren't that much better than Brooks. In fact, the were almost the same minus attempts and yardage.(Obviously Haslett depended on the run game a whole lot more than Shula did.) Well, I'm out. Whether you hate me or not...its all good mjf. i'm always down for a good discussion. You guys have a great weekend. I may stop in but for the most part I'll be back on Monday. Peace to all and Go Saints Go!
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02-26-2006, 11:58 AM	#79
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Give up?!? HA! Never. LOL. As far as proven ability? Brooks has the only playoff win and the record for most touchdown passes by a Saint. I think he did it in half or almost half the time that Manning did it. But I would definitely have to defend Manning on the point of my whole arguement which is:...bad teams will always affect QB's performances. Even the best of them. You really wanna bring up '05? Thats your call. Personally I refuse to discuss '05. Lets face it the Saints were definitely not in any kind of mindset to play good football. The fact that they went out there each week and tried though makes me love them even more. One last thing...go look at Marino's stats. I love Marino to death but the reality is... if you look at every season Marino played a full 16 game schedule...take away '84, '86, and '94 you'll see that his numbers really weren't that much better than Brooks. In fact, the were almost the same minus attempts and yardage.(Obviously Haslett depended on the run game a whole lot more than Shula did.) Well, I'm out. Whether you hate me or not...its all good mjf. i'm always down for a good discussion. You guys have a great weekend. I may stop in but for the most part I'll be back on Monday. Peace to all and Go Saints Go! ... it sure smells like goat now!!!!