excellent article on brees!!!

BJSim · 04-03-2006, 11:11 AM

I dunno...I sometimes can't help but feel that Brees is here cause in essence....nobody really wanted him.

Fatius, I think that's partially true. But I think he's now going to make the best of the situation and ensure this team knows he's the man, that it's his team, and he'll be our starting QB come week one.

..gotta tell ya, just a couple weeks ago, before Drew was signed, I said go with Leinart, because I was worried about the injury. But the more I read about him, and the things he says, bad shoulder or not, this is the type of man you want involved on your organization. The man has character.

Tobias, I agree with you. And the more I read about Lienart, the less he seems to be like Brees (Manning(s) or Brady). He had a mediocre Pro-Day, and most articles mention how he's more interested in his press than his bench-press. This is a guy who's knock was a weak arm, and he's not working out every day to get it stronger? I haven't completely left the draft Leinart camp, but I'm at the edge and peering into the other camps to see what going on in them.

FatiusJeebs · 04-03-2006, 01:38 PM

Like TR and BJ have iterated....I can only hope that he really does now apply the atittude that this is his team and that he will do everything in his power to succeed and makes us successful. Lord knows what the city will do for him if he does come through

......

LKelley67 · 04-03-2006, 02:02 PM

I am sure they had some preliminary ballpark numbers out there to schedule visits from. Also,I do think plenty of other teams would want him- just at a lower price. He had an offer on the table from SD. It was not clear from the posturing if Brees decided on NO first or whether Miami said Culpepper first. On that, I don't care. So what if he would have went to Miami if he could have. He has clearly shown his professionalism and character as a player you want to lead your team and who will go all out to prove his worth. He had a chip on his shoulder when they drafted Rivers. With the national attention and big price on his head I think he will be all the more determined. If all goes well with his health and play I am sure they will gladly renegotiate the contract to a more legitimate long tem deal. It is a sweet contract for NO as is. In essence it is just two years and he can even be tossed after this year if he fails and his shoulder blows out. I count it as the most aggressive if not shrewdest FA move since Mueller left.

In related thought, I won't be surprised if you see teams avoiding high first round quarterback prospects increasingly. The success ratio is so very small in proportion to the investment. I always think back to the infamous '99 draft- QBs Couch, McNabb, Akilli Smith 1-2-3 and two of them are out of football. Culpepper and Cade McNown later in the first round, same thing. Other first rounders Tory Holt, Champ Bailey, Anthony McFarland, Jevon Kearse, Chris McAlister, and Al Wilson were all much more predictable surer things.

mighty12 · 04-03-2006, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by LKelley67

The success ratio is so very small in proportion to the investment. I always think back to the infamous '99 draft- QBs Couch, McNabb, Akilli Smith 1-2-3 and two of them are out of football. Culpepper and Cade McNown later in the first round, same thing. Other first rounders Tory Holt, Champ Bailey, Anthony McFarland, Jevon Kearse, Chris McAlister, and Al Wilson were all much more predictable surer things.

I was saying that throughout the whole "Draft Leinart" Fiasco, and continuously caught crap because of it. The proof is in the pudding. Name 5 Probowl QBs drafted in the top 5 over the past 10 years.

FatiusJeebs · 04-03-2006, 02:12 PM

Honestly...the Pro Bowl means crap to me now. How on earth M. Vick made it to the Pro Bowl this year boggles my mind. Seriously!!!! WTF?? and HTF???

mighty12 · 04-03-2006, 02:21 PM

Well then name 5 QBs drafted in the top 5 that have made a positive impact on their team. There is Peyton Manning from 1998, McNabb in '99, Carson Palmer in '03, and MAYBE Eli Manning in '04(I say MAYBE because he shows flashes of greatness, and then falls apart.) I left Vick out of this because he still has alot to prove, but I will admit he did turn around the Falcons for a year. so 3 maybe 4 QBs out of 11(Not counting Alex Smith YET!) The odds are against selecting a QB first. Even being selected number 1 overall has its inconsistancy.

LongTimeFan · 04-03-2006, 02:42 PM

IMO M. Vick isn't more than a backup, the guy runs good but I've noticed in a few games last year that some popped him (Urlacker) making him think twice before running and that's all it takes to throw him off, he's not much of a passer, what the guy avg. 155 yards per game?
Again, IMO I think the Falcons get rid of him if he doesn't get much better really soon.
A lot of fans love Vick, reason he made the Pro-Bowl, that's crap if you ask me..

FatiusJeebs · 04-03-2006, 02:45 PM

LOLOL....I should have added LTF????.....to my post. Thankx LTF. I did not see the game but i noticed in the highlights that he was QB. I felt sick......real sick.

LKelley67 · 04-03-2006, 02:47 PM

My emphasis is that all too often it can be hit or completely miss with QBs. With a Super Mario, Brick, or Hawk you get a player that even if he does not end up being an All Pro or high impact player he can still be a serviceable useful starter. Highly touted QBs more often tend to be boom or bust, starter or fade out with the bonus money.

jnormand · 04-03-2006, 03:38 PM

I agree with you guys on Brees. No matter what, it seems like a good deal for both parties. If Brees does well, the Saints will give him a contract extension. If his shoulder do not hold up, the Saints can let him go. I really think Brees will come in and do a great job. Plus, anyone with his type of character and attitude is going to help a club.

I think Brees is the real deal. I'm excited to see what the guy can do.

As far as Leinhart, I don't know. I don't know what would be a good move. If we get Leinhart, the Saints will have to pay him big, big bucks and Brees may take it like the team does not believe in him. I guess go with the best defensive player on the board?...

04-03-2006, 11:11 AM	#11
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	I dunno...I sometimes can't help but feel that Brees is here cause in essence....nobody really wanted him. Fatius, I think that's partially true. But I think he's now going to make the best of the situation and ensure this team knows he's the man, that it's his team, and he'll be our starting QB come week one. ..gotta tell ya, just a couple weeks ago, before Drew was signed, I said go with Leinart, because I was worried about the injury. But the more I read about him, and the things he says, bad shoulder or not, this is the type of man you want involved on your organization. The man has character. Tobias, I agree with you. And the more I read about Lienart, the less he seems to be like Brees (Manning(s) or Brady). He had a mediocre Pro-Day, and most articles mention how he's more interested in his press than his bench-press. This is a guy who's knock was a weak arm, and he's not working out every day to get it stronger? I haven't completely left the draft Leinart camp, but I'm at the edge and peering into the other camps to see what going on in them.

04-03-2006, 01:38 PM	#12
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Like TR and BJ have iterated....I can only hope that he really does now apply the atittude that this is his team and that he will do everything in his power to succeed and makes us successful. Lord knows what the city will do for him if he does come through ......
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04-03-2006, 02:08 PM	#14
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Originally Posted by LKelley67 The success ratio is so very small in proportion to the investment. I always think back to the infamous '99 draft- QBs Couch, McNabb, Akilli Smith 1-2-3 and two of them are out of football. Culpepper and Cade McNown later in the first round, same thing. Other first rounders Tory Holt, Champ Bailey, Anthony McFarland, Jevon Kearse, Chris McAlister, and Al Wilson were all much more predictable surer things. I was saying that throughout the whole "Draft Leinart" Fiasco, and continuously caught crap because of it. The proof is in the pudding. Name 5 Probowl QBs drafted in the top 5 over the past 10 years.

04-03-2006, 02:12 PM	#15
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Honestly...the Pro Bowl means crap to me now. How on earth M. Vick made it to the Pro Bowl this year boggles my mind. Seriously!!!! WTF?? and HTF???
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FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	LOLOL....I should have added LTF????.....to my post. Thankx LTF. I did not see the game but i noticed in the highlights that he was QB. I felt sick......real sick.
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04-03-2006, 02:02 PM	#13
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	I am sure they had some preliminary ballpark numbers out there to schedule visits from. Also,I do think plenty of other teams would want him- just at a lower price. He had an offer on the table from SD. It was not clear from the posturing if Brees decided on NO first or whether Miami said Culpepper first. On that, I don't care. So what if he would have went to Miami if he could have. He has clearly shown his professionalism and character as a player you want to lead your team and who will go all out to prove his worth. He had a chip on his shoulder when they drafted Rivers. With the national attention and big price on his head I think he will be all the more determined. If all goes well with his health and play I am sure they will gladly renegotiate the contract to a more legitimate long tem deal. It is a sweet contract for NO as is. In essence it is just two years and he can even be tossed after this year if he fails and his shoulder blows out. I count it as the most aggressive if not shrewdest FA move since Mueller left. In related thought, I won't be surprised if you see teams avoiding high first round quarterback prospects increasingly. The success ratio is so very small in proportion to the investment. I always think back to the infamous '99 draft- QBs Couch, McNabb, Akilli Smith 1-2-3 and two of them are out of football. Culpepper and Cade McNown later in the first round, same thing. Other first rounders Tory Holt, Champ Bailey, Anthony McFarland, Jevon Kearse, Chris McAlister, and Al Wilson were all much more predictable surer things.

04-03-2006, 02:21 PM	#16
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Well then name 5 QBs drafted in the top 5 that have made a positive impact on their team. There is Peyton Manning from 1998, McNabb in '99, Carson Palmer in '03, and MAYBE Eli Manning in '04(I say MAYBE because he shows flashes of greatness, and then falls apart.) I left Vick out of this because he still has alot to prove, but I will admit he did turn around the Falcons for a year. so 3 maybe 4 QBs out of 11(Not counting Alex Smith YET!) The odds are against selecting a QB first. Even being selected number 1 overall has its inconsistancy.

04-03-2006, 02:42 PM	#17
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	IMO M. Vick isn't more than a backup, the guy runs good but I've noticed in a few games last year that some popped him (Urlacker) making him think twice before running and that's all it takes to throw him off, he's not much of a passer, what the guy avg. 155 yards per game? Again, IMO I think the Falcons get rid of him if he doesn't get much better really soon. A lot of fans love Vick, reason he made the Pro-Bowl, that's crap if you ask me..

04-03-2006, 02:47 PM	#19
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	My emphasis is that all too often it can be hit or completely miss with QBs. With a Super Mario, Brick, or Hawk you get a player that even if he does not end up being an All Pro or high impact player he can still be a serviceable useful starter. Highly touted QBs more often tend to be boom or bust, starter or fade out with the bonus money.

04-03-2006, 03:38 PM	#20
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	I agree with you guys on Brees. No matter what, it seems like a good deal for both parties. If Brees does well, the Saints will give him a contract extension. If his shoulder do not hold up, the Saints can let him go. I really think Brees will come in and do a great job. Plus, anyone with his type of character and attitude is going to help a club. I think Brees is the real deal. I'm excited to see what the guy can do. As far as Leinhart, I don't know. I don't know what would be a good move. If we get Leinhart, the Saints will have to pay him big, big bucks and Brees may take it like the team does not believe in him. I guess go with the best defensive player on the board?...