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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Agreed WhoDat... we gave our backs plenty of chances in the first half. The game just got out of reach....

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Old 09-17-2007, 08:28 AM   #1
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Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce

Agreed WhoDat... we gave our backs plenty of chances in the first half. The game just got out of reach.
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:41 AM   #2
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Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce

So much for that theory
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:47 AM   #3
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Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce

Give the ball to to DUCE, just plain and simple. play Reggie as a decoy
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:59 AM   #4
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Give the ball to to DUCE, just plain and simple. play Reggie as a decoy
To paraphrase Yoda: 3.0 YPC does not a decoy make.
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:52 AM   #5
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The decoy bit does not this year. no one is scared of him like last year. He gets shadowed like any other player but he is not freezing the defenses any more
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:54 AM   #6
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Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce

Deuce got plenty of touches - that wasn't the problem. IMHO, We (ie. Payton and Brees) are focusing too much on outlet routes and the short passing game. Look at the stats. 16 pass attempts by Garcia for 243 yards versus 44 pass attempts by Brees for 266 yards.

We are not sending enough receivers down the field - Colston and Eric Johnson keep running 4 yard curl routes. Reggie keeps running that outlet valve route to the outside. This plays right into the hands of the cover 2 D. We need some seam routes and deep post and slant routes, and obviously, more go routes.

At the current rate, I'd get rid of a lot of these short patterns. Trust Drew to make the 10+ yard throws and get rid of the ball if the pass is not there to avoid the sack. Leave Karney or an extra TE in to block if necessary. Drew is a good decision maker and we need to play to his strengths. But we need more than 3 yard completions to show for it.

If we want to get cute w/ short passes, don't do it when there is 60-80+ yards of field in front of us. Make the defense honor the deep ball until the field is shortened. Stretch the D w/ the pass, then let Reggie and Deuce do their thing.
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Old 09-17-2007, 03:19 PM   #7
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Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce

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Stretch the D w/ the pass, then let Reggie and Deuce do their thing.
You've got it backwards neugey - Our run will set up the pass! Make defenses have to load the box to stop the 4-5 yard pops, then everything works. The pass rush has to pause on the play action...they are on their heals anyway if we are running effectively...Brees can plant his feet and throw...wide outs will get more man coverage. With Duece and Karney the blocks don't even have to be good blocks - just stand the defender up - arm tackles won't work. Cadillac had 24 carries for 61 yards yesterday. If Duece got 24 carries he would have had 117(4.9 per). I will keep saying/writing it until Sean proves to me that it won't work. The NUMBERS have shown ....................and will show.............that it works!

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Old 09-17-2007, 09:04 AM   #8
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Re: It's Very Simple...Deuce

The thing we are forgetting is the poor overall play of the OFFENSIVE line. Drew has been pressured into dumping instead of stepping into his passes. He has lost confindence in his deep threat (DH), and now his horses are dropping the ball during running plays. I do think more Deuce will help keep pressure off of him (if the score isn't 21-0) by that time.
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Throw in the fact, no pun intended, that Brees is off in his throwing and decision making and it's all the more reason to load up with the run.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:59 PM   #10
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While I agree that we got away from Deuce running the ball early. The Saints didn't protect the ball(3 fumbles in the 1st 3 series) 2 recovered by the Saints and one by the Bucs. The one thing that stood out was how hard the hits by the Bucs were and and how they attacked the ball.
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