Same ol'

DeadmaN · 09-28-2007, 01:54 PM

lol Brooks
Well first up I personally liked Brooks on some levels and didn't think he was the worst I had ever seen but he definitely had no zest and I agree with the rest of the guys to compare him and Brees well that's a bit off base

The only thing that was similar between the 2 was that once again the "O" lines are to blame

It comes down to this
If you can't stop a team or at the very least slow them down with your D (and the saints have non)
Then on the other side of the ball you can't block a guy that is trying to kill you QB then you are pretty much…
Pi..ing in the wind

I can say this much I personally feel that you don’t need a top of the line QB although it does help but still not 100% necessary if you have good blocking
hell Jo Blow can make a pass if he is given enough time to do so

the coaches MUST ADDRESS THESE LINE ISSUES

CheramieIII · 09-30-2007, 09:35 AM

It's everyone's fault but most importantly the coaching staff. After game one Payton had an idea his game plans from last year would not work, we all did and he should really know that last year leftovers are not going to work this year after getting raped by the Bucs and Titans on Monday night in September no less.

Coach change the game plan dramatically or the season is lost.

saintfan · 09-28-2007, 02:21 PM

I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him.

Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument)

I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse.

fhotard · 09-28-2007, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him.

Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument)

I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse.

You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays.
Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently.
His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress.

Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT.

It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better.

Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well.

twelvegauge · 09-28-2007, 03:47 PM

See how those excuses flow so easily for Brees? that just what they're excuses. You should no matter get pissed if your team leader is seen laughing it up just after getting the teams butt hole ripped are right after a play, it doesn't matter but you will make an excuse for Brees like you always do!

Brees has had more turnovers this season bettering Brooks by leaps and bounds, forget the puppy...This is the same exact thing Mcnabb was talking about the treatment.

saintfan · 09-28-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by fhotard

You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays.
Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently.
His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress.

Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT.

It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better.

Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well.

Well, that's what LT did last year, and reviews were mixed as I recall. Believe me, I know it's all perception...been saying that for many years now.

darstep · 09-28-2007, 03:13 PM

Brees, bless his dink-and-dunk heart, is just one piece of a very ugly puzzle. With this crew, even if we find where everyone fits best, the picture will still be ugly.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-28-2007, 04:59 PM

... this is the problem when other boards start banning the whiners....

blacksaint · 09-28-2007, 05:31 PM

First, it's hard for me to give up on Bress this early because we have so much invested in him. But I do totally understand where 12 gauge is coming from. I don't think he's comparing Brees to Brooks, but comparing the fans reactions in forgiving Brees and condemning Brooks. I mean, a lot of people are giving a pass and numerous excuses for a Pro Bowl QB coming off a phenomenal season with his entire arsenal intact. In three games Brees have looked as worst as Rex Grossman with no signs off turning it around, now do I think he's capable of reversing his fortunes? Yes I do. But we can't turn a blind eye to the facts, the facts are we're 0 - 3, he has 1 td and 7 int's, and if I'm not mistaken a couple of fumbles. Now if this was Brooks there would be a call for Congress to remove him from the starting lineup. And as far as dissing Brooks for smiling leaving the field after an interception, and excepting Brees smiling and laughing after a terrible loss against Tampa Bay is definitely not right, if Brooks could be seen as not caring, than Brees should be seen in the same light, just because you look pissed coming off the field doesn't mean things are going to change, because if it did we wouldn't be sitting here at 0 - 3.

hagan714 · 09-28-2007, 07:13 PM

ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head.

09-28-2007, 01:54 PM	#1
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Same ol' lol Brooks Well first up I personally liked Brooks on some levels and didn't think he was the worst I had ever seen but he definitely had no zest and I agree with the rest of the guys to compare him and Brees well that's a bit off base The only thing that was similar between the 2 was that once again the "O" lines are to blame It comes down to this If you can't stop a team or at the very least slow them down with your D (and the saints have non) Then on the other side of the ball you can't block a guy that is trying to kill you QB then you are pretty much… Pi..ing in the wind I can say this much I personally feel that you don’t need a top of the line QB although it does help but still not 100% necessary if you have good blocking hell Jo Blow can make a pass if he is given enough time to do so the coaches MUST ADDRESS THESE LINE ISSUES
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09-30-2007, 09:35 AM	#2
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Same ol' It's everyone's fault but most importantly the coaching staff. After game one Payton had an idea his game plans from last year would not work, we all did and he should really know that last year leftovers are not going to work this year after getting raped by the Bucs and Titans on Monday night in September no less. Coach change the game plan dramatically or the season is lost.

09-28-2007, 02:21 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him. Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument) I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse.

09-28-2007, 03:22 PM	#4
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by saintfan I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him. Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument) I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse. You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays. Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently. His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress. Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT. It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better. Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well.

09-28-2007, 03:47 PM	#5
twelvegauge Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2	Re: Same ol' See how those excuses flow so easily for Brees? that just what they're excuses. You should no matter get pissed if your team leader is seen laughing it up just after getting the teams butt hole ripped are right after a play, it doesn't matter but you will make an excuse for Brees like you always do! Brees has had more turnovers this season bettering Brooks by leaps and bounds, forget the puppy...This is the same exact thing Mcnabb was talking about the treatment.

09-28-2007, 04:06 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by fhotard You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays. Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently. His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress. Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT. It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better. Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well. Well, that's what LT did last year, and reviews were mixed as I recall. Believe me, I know it's all perception...been saying that for many years now.

09-28-2007, 03:13 PM	#7
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Same ol' Brees, bless his dink-and-dunk heart, is just one piece of a very ugly puzzle. With this crew, even if we find where everyone fits best, the picture will still be ugly.

09-28-2007, 04:59 PM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Same ol' ... this is the problem when other boards start banning the whiners....

09-28-2007, 05:31 PM	#9
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: Same ol' First, it's hard for me to give up on Bress this early because we have so much invested in him. But I do totally understand where 12 gauge is coming from. I don't think he's comparing Brees to Brooks, but comparing the fans reactions in forgiving Brees and condemning Brooks. I mean, a lot of people are giving a pass and numerous excuses for a Pro Bowl QB coming off a phenomenal season with his entire arsenal intact. In three games Brees have looked as worst as Rex Grossman with no signs off turning it around, now do I think he's capable of reversing his fortunes? Yes I do. But we can't turn a blind eye to the facts, the facts are we're 0 - 3, he has 1 td and 7 int's, and if I'm not mistaken a couple of fumbles. Now if this was Brooks there would be a call for Congress to remove him from the starting lineup. And as far as dissing Brooks for smiling leaving the field after an interception, and excepting Brees smiling and laughing after a terrible loss against Tampa Bay is definitely not right, if Brooks could be seen as not caring, than Brees should be seen in the same light, just because you look pissed coming off the field doesn't mean things are going to change, because if it did we wouldn't be sitting here at 0 - 3.
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09-28-2007, 07:13 PM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Same ol' ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head.