Same ol'

fhotard · 09-28-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him.

Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument)

I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse.

You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays.
Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently.
His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress.

Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT.

It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better.

Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well.

twelvegauge · 09-28-2007, 04:47 PM

See how those excuses flow so easily for Brees? that just what they're excuses. You should no matter get pissed if your team leader is seen laughing it up just after getting the teams butt hole ripped are right after a play, it doesn't matter but you will make an excuse for Brees like you always do!

Brees has had more turnovers this season bettering Brooks by leaps and bounds, forget the puppy...This is the same exact thing Mcnabb was talking about the treatment.

saintfan · 09-28-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by fhotard

You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays.
Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently.
His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress.

Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT.

It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better.

Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well.

Well, that's what LT did last year, and reviews were mixed as I recall. Believe me, I know it's all perception...been saying that for many years now.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-28-2007, 05:59 PM

... this is the problem when other boards start banning the whiners....

blacksaint · 09-28-2007, 06:31 PM

First, it's hard for me to give up on Bress this early because we have so much invested in him. But I do totally understand where 12 gauge is coming from. I don't think he's comparing Brees to Brooks, but comparing the fans reactions in forgiving Brees and condemning Brooks. I mean, a lot of people are giving a pass and numerous excuses for a Pro Bowl QB coming off a phenomenal season with his entire arsenal intact. In three games Brees have looked as worst as Rex Grossman with no signs off turning it around, now do I think he's capable of reversing his fortunes? Yes I do. But we can't turn a blind eye to the facts, the facts are we're 0 - 3, he has 1 td and 7 int's, and if I'm not mistaken a couple of fumbles. Now if this was Brooks there would be a call for Congress to remove him from the starting lineup. And as far as dissing Brooks for smiling leaving the field after an interception, and excepting Brees smiling and laughing after a terrible loss against Tampa Bay is definitely not right, if Brooks could be seen as not caring, than Brees should be seen in the same light, just because you look pissed coming off the field doesn't mean things are going to change, because if it did we wouldn't be sitting here at 0 - 3.

hagan714 · 09-28-2007, 08:13 PM

ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head.

Euphoria · 09-28-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head.

Ok so you are saying Brees sucks just as bad as Brooks not then right?

LordOfEntropy · 09-28-2007, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Why? Please explain.

Are you serious? You're serious, aren't you? Wow. OK, I'll give you two points.

1) Drew has been to the pro bowl - Brooks has not
2) Drew has a job - Brooks does not

Enough said.

Do you want more? You don't really want more, do you? Please don't make me start talking about backwards passes, Wonderlic tests, fumblitis, and "I'm a top five quarterback" quotes. Because it's not worth my time. You either already get it or you don't - and if you don't already get it, then no amount of persuading is going to convince you.

iceshack149 · 09-29-2007, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Let me take a wild guess here 12Gauge, you're African American right? If not, you sure sound like it. I don't care if Drew Brees was green, he is now, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year a better qb than Aaron " I never had a winning record EVER" Brooks. Get off your high horse, buddy. You're grasping at straws. Did Brooks EVER get come back player of the year? No. Did Brooks EVER lead TWO different teams to the playoffs? No. Did Brooks EVER throw for 4,000 yards? No. Did Brooks ever finish second in the MVP voting? Did Brooks ever win Co NFL Man of the Year? Has Brees ever had attend a LEADERSHIP CLASS! Did Brooks EVER have a 60+ completion rate?You my deluded friend may need to up your meds. Or lower them, one or the other. This whole thread is stupid and I'm actually dumber for having read it.

I was about to go off but you beat me to it.
I used to back Brooks. Even when I shouldn't have. There's no question that the guy has physical talent but doggone it his brain was just wired differently. I really wanted Brooks to do well after Blake went down. He didn't. Blake may have taken the Saints further but Brooks just wasn't capable.

I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him.

Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument)

I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse.

--saintfan

The o-line has been junk so far this year no question. But should our frustration with it conceive a Brees/Brooks comparison? Surely you jest.

Off topic, where have you been, saintfan? I appreciate your posts and have seen little of them for a while.

Euphoria · 09-29-2007, 03:32 AM

I think you guys are off track. I don't think it should be a comparison but there are a lot of simularities of what 'some' things that happened to Brooks being behind a sorry line and Brees being behind a very similar line. I don't think you can compare the 2 QB's but you can look at there play and see simularities and I can see Brooks having the same issues.

I'd have to say if we actually had a great line Brooks could have very well lead a team to a SB... hell Grossman did.

09-28-2007, 04:22 PM	#11
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by saintfan I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him. Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument) I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse. You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays. Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently. His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress. Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT. It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better. Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well.

09-28-2007, 04:47 PM	#12
twelvegauge Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2	Re: Same ol' See how those excuses flow so easily for Brees? that just what they're excuses. You should no matter get pissed if your team leader is seen laughing it up just after getting the teams butt hole ripped are right after a play, it doesn't matter but you will make an excuse for Brees like you always do! Brees has had more turnovers this season bettering Brooks by leaps and bounds, forget the puppy...This is the same exact thing Mcnabb was talking about the treatment.

09-28-2007, 05:06 PM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by fhotard You just have to realize that Smiley made himself an easy target by his general demeanor during the game... especially the precious seconds immediately following one of his bad plays. Brooks walked off the field smiling... I know, different people deal with adversity differently. His smiling was probably just his natural reaction to stress. Brees, the other hand, looks like someone just ran over his puppy right after he throws an INT. It's all in perception. Most fans looked at Brooks' smiles and wanted to wring his neck, but then they see Brees make a similar throw, and when they see his face, they just want him to do better. Someone commented about Brees talking and laughing with some of the opponents after a game... that's a sign of a good sport and of a professional. What was he supposed to do, tell them f off? That wouldn't sit well. Well, that's what LT did last year, and reviews were mixed as I recall. Believe me, I know it's all perception...been saying that for many years now.

09-28-2007, 05:59 PM	#14
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Same ol' ... this is the problem when other boards start banning the whiners....

09-28-2007, 06:31 PM	#15
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: Same ol' First, it's hard for me to give up on Bress this early because we have so much invested in him. But I do totally understand where 12 gauge is coming from. I don't think he's comparing Brees to Brooks, but comparing the fans reactions in forgiving Brees and condemning Brooks. I mean, a lot of people are giving a pass and numerous excuses for a Pro Bowl QB coming off a phenomenal season with his entire arsenal intact. In three games Brees have looked as worst as Rex Grossman with no signs off turning it around, now do I think he's capable of reversing his fortunes? Yes I do. But we can't turn a blind eye to the facts, the facts are we're 0 - 3, he has 1 td and 7 int's, and if I'm not mistaken a couple of fumbles. Now if this was Brooks there would be a call for Congress to remove him from the starting lineup. And as far as dissing Brooks for smiling leaving the field after an interception, and excepting Brees smiling and laughing after a terrible loss against Tampa Bay is definitely not right, if Brooks could be seen as not caring, than Brees should be seen in the same light, just because you look pissed coming off the field doesn't mean things are going to change, because if it did we wouldn't be sitting here at 0 - 3.
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09-28-2007, 08:13 PM	#16
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Same ol' ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head.

09-28-2007, 09:12 PM	#17
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by hagan714 ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head. Ok so you are saying Brees sucks just as bad as Brooks not then right?

09-28-2007, 11:48 PM	#18
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by saintfan Why? Please explain. Are you serious? You're serious, aren't you? Wow. OK, I'll give you two points. 1) Drew has been to the pro bowl - Brooks has not 2) Drew has a job - Brooks does not Enough said. Do you want more? You don't really want more, do you? Please don't make me start talking about backwards passes, Wonderlic tests, fumblitis, and "I'm a top five quarterback" quotes. Because it's not worth my time. You either already get it or you don't - and if you don't already get it, then no amount of persuading is going to convince you.
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09-29-2007, 03:21 AM	#19
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by saintsmissile Let me take a wild guess here 12Gauge, you're African American right? If not, you sure sound like it. I don't care if Drew Brees was green, he is now, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year a better qb than Aaron " I never had a winning record EVER" Brooks. Get off your high horse, buddy. You're grasping at straws. Did Brooks EVER get come back player of the year? No. Did Brooks EVER lead TWO different teams to the playoffs? No. Did Brooks EVER throw for 4,000 yards? No. Did Brooks ever finish second in the MVP voting? Did Brooks ever win Co NFL Man of the Year? Has Brees ever had attend a LEADERSHIP CLASS! Did Brooks EVER have a 60+ completion rate?You my deluded friend may need to up your meds. Or lower them, one or the other. This whole thread is stupid and I'm actually dumber for having read it. I was about to go off but you beat me to it. I used to back Brooks. Even when I shouldn't have. There's no question that the guy has physical talent but doggone it his brain was just wired differently. I really wanted Brooks to do well after Blake went down. He didn't. Blake may have taken the Saints further but Brooks just wasn't capable. I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him. Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument) I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse. --saintfan The o-line has been junk so far this year no question. But should our frustration with it conceive a Brees/Brooks comparison? Surely you jest. Off topic, where have you been, saintfan? I appreciate your posts and have seen little of them for a while.
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09-29-2007, 03:32 AM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' I think you guys are off track. I don't think it should be a comparison but there are a lot of simularities of what 'some' things that happened to Brooks being behind a sorry line and Brees being behind a very similar line. I don't think you can compare the 2 QB's but you can look at there play and see simularities and I can see Brooks having the same issues. I'd have to say if we actually had a great line Brooks could have very well lead a team to a SB... hell Grossman did.