Same ol'

saintfan · 09-29-2007, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Are you serious? You're serious, aren't you? Wow. OK, I'll give you two points.

1) Drew has been to the pro bowl - Brooks has not
2) Drew has a job - Brooks does not

Enough said.

Do you want more? You don't really want more, do you? Please don't make me start talking about backwards passes, Wonderlic tests, fumblitis, and "I'm a top five quarterback" quotes. Because it's not worth my time. You either already get it or you don't - and if you don't already get it, then no amount of persuading is going to convince you.

So you can't compare two QB's if one has been to the pro-bowl and the other has not? That's interesting...and not true.

So you can't compare two QB's if one is currently on a roster and the other isn't? That is also interesting...and also not true, but carry on.

Oh I get it LOE, and your post is exhibit A. Fact is, Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it...no...all you heard was Wonderlic scores (which make next to no matter) and media quotes which had nothing to do with on the field performance.

Yes, Brees is a pro-bowl QB. No one is arguing that. Point is Brees' performance over the first three games of this season compares to some of the worst I've ever seen by any QB. How about you? Now, since you seem to think Brooks is one of the worlds worst QB's lets compare. Find me three consecutive games where Brooks had a 1/7 TD to INT ratio otherwise I guess you're right and we can't compare...I mean that is what you're saying right?

Buh Bye

LordOfEntropy · 09-29-2007, 11:11 AM

I said comparing Brees to Brooks is ludicrous - and I meant it. And I stand by that - because Brooks is not even in the same ballpark as Brees. Literally. Brooks is unemployed for a reason. He had his chance, multiple chances - and fizzled. It's simply ludicrous to compare them.

I'm not going to argue that Brees has played well. He most certainly has not. And agreed, whether Brees is probowl caliber or not, no one would play well behind this O Line. I don't care if it was Brees, Brooks, Montana, Marino, or God himself.

"Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it" -- tha's because everyone was already busy - busy talking about how STUPID Brooks was. He played like a moron. All the physically attributes in the world, could've been a star - but instead he was hamstrung by a sixth grade mentally-handicapped moron. And I know. I met him. I spoke with him. Not only was he slow - he was a complete mental disaster. A poster child special education. I've encoutered rocks with more intellectual capacity.

And I believe THAT is why you didn't hear about the O Line in his day.

Please.... let this topic die. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is getting old.

Tony180a · 09-29-2007, 11:46 AM

I see your point 12 guage. It is not a comparison of Brooks and Brees as QB's, it is the contrast of how the fans react to similiar stimuli. It is what it is....

Euphoria · 09-29-2007, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

I said comparing Brees to Brooks is ludicrous - and I meant it. And I stand by that - because Brooks is not even in the same ballpark as Brees. Literally. Brooks is unemployed for a reason. He had his chance, multiple chances - and fizzled. It's simply ludicrous to compare them.

I'm not going to argue that Brees has played well. He most certainly has not. And agreed, whether Brees is probowl caliber or not, no one would play well behind this O Line. I don't care if it was Brees, Brooks, Montana, Marino, or God himself.

"Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it" -- tha's because everyone was already busy - busy talking about how STUPID Brooks was. He played like a moron. All the physically attributes in the world, could've been a star - but instead he was hamstrung by a sixth grade mentally-handicapped moron. And I know. I met him. I spoke with him. Not only was he slow - he was a complete mental disaster. A poster child special education. I've encoutered rocks with more intellectual capacity.

And I believe THAT is why you didn't hear about the O Line in his day.

Please.... let this topic die. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is getting old.

No back during that time there were several people here, well not many but there were a few of us screaming it was the Lines and the JERKS only wanted to blame brooks and not look at the big picture. Now that there QB is looking shell-shocked the same way Brooks looked at times they want to put the blame else where. But I am here to tell you back then we have O LINE problems and we still do.

JOESAM2002 · 09-29-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

No back during that time there were several people here, well not many but there were a few of us screaming it was the Lines and the JERKS only wanted to blame brooks and not look at the big picture. Now that there QB is looking shell-shocked the same way Brooks looked at times they want to put the blame else where. But I am here to tell you back then we have O LINE problems and we still do.

Yeah, but at least we don't have to look at his stupid assed grin when he screwed up. Good ridance to AB. He doing well now, he's flipping burgers with Elvis.

Euphoria · 09-29-2007, 04:14 PM

I don't know I recall in another thread someone pointing out after the tampa game Brees and a grin and talking it up with the bucs.

JOESAM2002 · 09-29-2007, 05:21 PM

After the game is one thing, during what is supposed to be the heat of battle is another.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-29-2007, 06:26 PM

... why am I getting into this .... why am I getting into this...

...oh well...

What really started the criticism of Brooks -leadership- was what he said after Turley came to his aid in the Jets game. Heavy criticism on his play didn't really start until the 2002 season, and it started mainly because he had all the physical skills you could ask for in a QB, but didn't know how to use them to effectively be a QB in the NFL. Just imagine if Brees was 6'4" and could launch it 70 yards off his back foot...

... and as usual, at one point it turned into a racial thing, because some black people cannot stand hearing any white people criticizing a brotha, because that's racist, ya know? White people should not even look funny at black people , because that's racist. If you are white, you are supposed to say only good things about back pleople, and forgive black people of any wrongdoing, because they are black.

... myself, I am going to see how this season turns out, before I start making any comments about Drew Brees. After all, he's played 21 games as a Saint, and Brooks had 5 years.
"Yeah, but Brooks is black, TR"..
Oh, my bad. In that case... The ***** set him up!!!!!

LordOfEntropy · 09-29-2007, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

he's flipping burgers with Elvis.

ROFL

I wouldn't want that burger. I'm sure it's been fumbled to the floor multiple times.

saintfan · 09-29-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

I said comparing Brees to Brooks is ludicrous - and I meant it. And I stand by that - because Brooks is not even in the same ballpark as Brees. Literally. Brooks is unemployed for a reason. He had his chance, multiple chances - and fizzled. It's simply ludicrous to compare them.

I'm not going to argue that Brees has played well. He most certainly has not. And agreed, whether Brees is probowl caliber or not, no one would play well behind this O Line. I don't care if it was Brees, Brooks, Montana, Marino, or God himself.

"Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it" -- tha's because everyone was already busy - busy talking about how STUPID Brooks was. He played like a moron. All the physically attributes in the world, could've been a star - but instead he was hamstrung by a sixth grade mentally-handicapped moron. And I know. I met him. I spoke with him. Not only was he slow - he was a complete mental disaster. A poster child special education. I've encoutered rocks with more intellectual capacity.

And I believe THAT is why you didn't hear about the O Line in his day.

Please.... let this topic die. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is getting old.

You said it, and you meant it. Yippie for you! I wonder if by 'fizzled' you mean, oh, I don't know, something like the way Brees is playing at the moment?

Now, would you compare Brees to Marino? Careful, cause the 'ol wonderlic argument will bite you square on the 'ol buttocks, you know?

You say Brooks was 'STUPID' based on your opinion of him when you met him. Wonder what he thought of you...or did you have the Brass One's at that moment to tell him how you feel...or did you shake his hand? Why might I think of you pending your answer? Makes me wonder...but I bet I know.

Still waiting on you to answer a simple question: Did Brooks ever have three games as bad as Brees' last three...or maybe even 4 counting the Chicago game last year? Never you mind, because we all know the answer.

You do know Brooks led the team to an AVERAGE of 29 points a game in his second to last year here don't you? Not too shabby for a, um...'MORON'. Stupid is as Stupid does eh? Our defense cost us that season, plain and simple, and yet you guys...and yes you were one of them...consistently redirected the issue to the QB.

Keep in mind, I'm not calling out Brees. I'm a fan of the man. See, I recognize there are many factors that reflect the play of a given player. Some don't. No problem. And that, my friend, is what's really ludicrous.

09-29-2007, 08:42 AM	#21
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Are you serious? You're serious, aren't you? Wow. OK, I'll give you two points. 1) Drew has been to the pro bowl - Brooks has not 2) Drew has a job - Brooks does not Enough said. Do you want more? You don't really want more, do you? Please don't make me start talking about backwards passes, Wonderlic tests, fumblitis, and "I'm a top five quarterback" quotes. Because it's not worth my time. You either already get it or you don't - and if you don't already get it, then no amount of persuading is going to convince you. So you can't compare two QB's if one has been to the pro-bowl and the other has not? That's interesting...and not true. So you can't compare two QB's if one is currently on a roster and the other isn't? That is also interesting...and also not true, but carry on. Oh I get it LOE, and your post is exhibit A. Fact is, Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it...no...all you heard was Wonderlic scores (which make next to no matter) and media quotes which had nothing to do with on the field performance. Yes, Brees is a pro-bowl QB. No one is arguing that. Point is Brees' performance over the first three games of this season compares to some of the worst I've ever seen by any QB. How about you? Now, since you seem to think Brooks is one of the worlds worst QB's lets compare. Find me three consecutive games where Brooks had a 1/7 TD to INT ratio otherwise I guess you're right and we can't compare...I mean that is what you're saying right? Buh Bye

09-29-2007, 11:11 AM	#22
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Same ol' I said comparing Brees to Brooks is ludicrous - and I meant it. And I stand by that - because Brooks is not even in the same ballpark as Brees. Literally. Brooks is unemployed for a reason. He had his chance, multiple chances - and fizzled. It's simply ludicrous to compare them. I'm not going to argue that Brees has played well. He most certainly has not. And agreed, whether Brees is probowl caliber or not, no one would play well behind this O Line. I don't care if it was Brees, Brooks, Montana, Marino, or God himself. "Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it" -- tha's because everyone was already busy - busy talking about how STUPID Brooks was. He played like a moron. All the physically attributes in the world, could've been a star - but instead he was hamstrung by a sixth grade mentally-handicapped moron. And I know. I met him. I spoke with him. Not only was he slow - he was a complete mental disaster. A poster child special education. I've encoutered rocks with more intellectual capacity. And I believe THAT is why you didn't hear about the O Line in his day. Please.... let this topic die. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is getting old.
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09-29-2007, 11:46 AM	#23
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	Re: Same ol' I see your point 12 guage. It is not a comparison of Brooks and Brees as QB's, it is the contrast of how the fans react to similiar stimuli. It is what it is....
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09-29-2007, 12:55 PM	#24
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy I said comparing Brees to Brooks is ludicrous - and I meant it. And I stand by that - because Brooks is not even in the same ballpark as Brees. Literally. Brooks is unemployed for a reason. He had his chance, multiple chances - and fizzled. It's simply ludicrous to compare them. I'm not going to argue that Brees has played well. He most certainly has not. And agreed, whether Brees is probowl caliber or not, no one would play well behind this O Line. I don't care if it was Brees, Brooks, Montana, Marino, or God himself. "Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it" -- tha's because everyone was already busy - busy talking about how STUPID Brooks was. He played like a moron. All the physically attributes in the world, could've been a star - but instead he was hamstrung by a sixth grade mentally-handicapped moron. And I know. I met him. I spoke with him. Not only was he slow - he was a complete mental disaster. A poster child special education. I've encoutered rocks with more intellectual capacity. And I believe THAT is why you didn't hear about the O Line in his day. Please.... let this topic die. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is getting old. No back during that time there were several people here, well not many but there were a few of us screaming it was the Lines and the JERKS only wanted to blame brooks and not look at the big picture. Now that there QB is looking shell-shocked the same way Brooks looked at times they want to put the blame else where. But I am here to tell you back then we have O LINE problems and we still do.

09-29-2007, 03:53 PM	#25
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by Euphoria No back during that time there were several people here, well not many but there were a few of us screaming it was the Lines and the JERKS only wanted to blame brooks and not look at the big picture. Now that there QB is looking shell-shocked the same way Brooks looked at times they want to put the blame else where. But I am here to tell you back then we have O LINE problems and we still do. Yeah, but at least we don't have to look at his stupid assed grin when he screwed up. Good ridance to AB. He doing well now, he's flipping burgers with Elvis.

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09-29-2007, 04:14 PM	#26
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' I don't know I recall in another thread someone pointing out after the tampa game Brees and a grin and talking it up with the bucs.

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JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Same ol' After the game is one thing, during what is supposed to be the heat of battle is another.

09-29-2007, 06:26 PM	#28
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Same ol' ... why am I getting into this .... why am I getting into this... ...oh well... What really started the criticism of Brooks -leadership- was what he said after Turley came to his aid in the Jets game. Heavy criticism on his play didn't really start until the 2002 season, and it started mainly because he had all the physical skills you could ask for in a QB, but didn't know how to use them to effectively be a QB in the NFL. Just imagine if Brees was 6'4" and could launch it 70 yards off his back foot... ... and as usual, at one point it turned into a racial thing, because some black people cannot stand hearing any white people criticizing a brotha, because that's racist, ya know? White people should not even look funny at black people , because that's racist. If you are white, you are supposed to say only good things about back pleople, and forgive black people of any wrongdoing, because they are black. ... myself, I am going to see how this season turns out, before I start making any comments about Drew Brees. After all, he's played 21 games as a Saint, and Brooks had 5 years. "Yeah, but Brooks is black, TR".. Oh, my bad. In that case... The ***** set him up!!!!!
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09-29-2007, 06:36 PM	#29
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 he's flipping burgers with Elvis. ROFL I wouldn't want that burger. I'm sure it's been fumbled to the floor multiple times.

09-29-2007, 07:00 PM	#30
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy I said comparing Brees to Brooks is ludicrous - and I meant it. And I stand by that - because Brooks is not even in the same ballpark as Brees. Literally. Brooks is unemployed for a reason. He had his chance, multiple chances - and fizzled. It's simply ludicrous to compare them. I'm not going to argue that Brees has played well. He most certainly has not. And agreed, whether Brees is probowl caliber or not, no one would play well behind this O Line. I don't care if it was Brees, Brooks, Montana, Marino, or God himself. "Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it" -- tha's because everyone was already busy - busy talking about how STUPID Brooks was. He played like a moron. All the physically attributes in the world, could've been a star - but instead he was hamstrung by a sixth grade mentally-handicapped moron. And I know. I met him. I spoke with him. Not only was he slow - he was a complete mental disaster. A poster child special education. I've encoutered rocks with more intellectual capacity. And I believe THAT is why you didn't hear about the O Line in his day. Please.... let this topic die. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is getting old. You said it, and you meant it. Yippie for you! I wonder if by 'fizzled' you mean, oh, I don't know, something like the way Brees is playing at the moment? Now, would you compare Brees to Marino? Careful, cause the 'ol wonderlic argument will bite you square on the 'ol buttocks, you know? You say Brooks was 'STUPID' based on your opinion of him when you met him. Wonder what he thought of you...or did you have the Brass One's at that moment to tell him how you feel...or did you shake his hand? Why might I think of you pending your answer? Makes me wonder...but I bet I know. Still waiting on you to answer a simple question: Did Brooks ever have three games as bad as Brees' last three...or maybe even 4 counting the Chicago game last year? Never you mind, because we all know the answer. You do know Brooks led the team to an AVERAGE of 29 points a game in his second to last year here don't you? Not too shabby for a, um...'MORON'. Stupid is as Stupid does eh? Our defense cost us that season, plain and simple, and yet you guys...and yes you were one of them...consistently redirected the issue to the QB. Keep in mind, I'm not calling out Brees. I'm a fan of the man. See, I recognize there are many factors that reflect the play of a given player. Some don't. No problem. And that, my friend, is what's really ludicrous.