Same ol'

Euphoria · 09-28-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head.

Ok so you are saying Brees sucks just as bad as Brooks not then right?

iceshack149 · 09-29-2007, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Let me take a wild guess here 12Gauge, you're African American right? If not, you sure sound like it. I don't care if Drew Brees was green, he is now, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year a better qb than Aaron " I never had a winning record EVER" Brooks. Get off your high horse, buddy. You're grasping at straws. Did Brooks EVER get come back player of the year? No. Did Brooks EVER lead TWO different teams to the playoffs? No. Did Brooks EVER throw for 4,000 yards? No. Did Brooks ever finish second in the MVP voting? Did Brooks ever win Co NFL Man of the Year? Has Brees ever had attend a LEADERSHIP CLASS! Did Brooks EVER have a 60+ completion rate?You my deluded friend may need to up your meds. Or lower them, one or the other. This whole thread is stupid and I'm actually dumber for having read it.

I was about to go off but you beat me to it.
I used to back Brooks. Even when I shouldn't have. There's no question that the guy has physical talent but doggone it his brain was just wired differently. I really wanted Brooks to do well after Blake went down. He didn't. Blake may have taken the Saints further but Brooks just wasn't capable.

I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him.

Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument)

I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse.

--saintfan

The o-line has been junk so far this year no question. But should our frustration with it conceive a Brees/Brooks comparison? Surely you jest.

Off topic, where have you been, saintfan? I appreciate your posts and have seen little of them for a while.

saintfan · 09-29-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Off topic, where have you been, saintfan? I appreciate your posts and have seen little of them for a while.

Thanks for the shout ice. I've been around. Got banned for taking it to a few moderators here and there, but I've been lurking everywhere. I've been extremely busy the last year and a half since the company I work for got bought out. Just been watching some of these arguments since we've been playing so poorly and can't...hold...it...back...no...mo!

LordOfEntropy · 09-30-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Got banned for taking it to a few moderators here and there, but I've been lurking everywhere.

Perhaps there is a reason. I've watched your posts throughout the years, and though you often have valid points to make, your tone can come across as hostile or insulting sometimes. When it isn't really necessary.

Regarldless, welcome back SF.

Euphoria · 09-29-2007, 02:32 AM

I think you guys are off track. I don't think it should be a comparison but there are a lot of simularities of what 'some' things that happened to Brooks being behind a sorry line and Brees being behind a very similar line. I don't think you can compare the 2 QB's but you can look at there play and see simularities and I can see Brooks having the same issues.

I'd have to say if we actually had a great line Brooks could have very well lead a team to a SB... hell Grossman did.

Tony180a · 09-29-2007, 11:46 AM

I see your point 12 guage. It is not a comparison of Brooks and Brees as QB's, it is the contrast of how the fans react to similiar stimuli. It is what it is....

Euphoria · 09-29-2007, 04:14 PM

I don't know I recall in another thread someone pointing out after the tampa game Brees and a grin and talking it up with the bucs.

JOESAM2002 · 09-29-2007, 05:21 PM

After the game is one thing, during what is supposed to be the heat of battle is another.

CheramieIII · 09-30-2007, 09:56 AM

We should all be used to this by now guys and gals. The same product the Saints have been putting out on the field for years and getting paid bigtime by the state and all of it's citizens. The organization has been screaming for years that they were going to move but we always come up with the money and it's odd that it's always enough to keep them in New Orleans for only 4 or 5 more years.

Wake up people, call Bensons bluff next time, We have nothing to lose but a losing team and maybe regain a little of our own dignities in the process.

Tobias-Reiper · 09-29-2007, 06:26 PM

... why am I getting into this .... why am I getting into this...

...oh well...

What really started the criticism of Brooks -leadership- was what he said after Turley came to his aid in the Jets game. Heavy criticism on his play didn't really start until the 2002 season, and it started mainly because he had all the physical skills you could ask for in a QB, but didn't know how to use them to effectively be a QB in the NFL. Just imagine if Brees was 6'4" and could launch it 70 yards off his back foot...

... and as usual, at one point it turned into a racial thing, because some black people cannot stand hearing any white people criticizing a brotha, because that's racist, ya know? White people should not even look funny at black people , because that's racist. If you are white, you are supposed to say only good things about back pleople, and forgive black people of any wrongdoing, because they are black.

... myself, I am going to see how this season turns out, before I start making any comments about Drew Brees. After all, he's played 21 games as a Saint, and Brooks had 5 years.
"Yeah, but Brooks is black, TR"..
Oh, my bad. In that case... The ***** set him up!!!!!

09-28-2007, 08:12 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by hagan714 ok that was funny. AB=DB. what the F###. someone never watched AB play. Do not even come back and say you did. You have proven to be a poor judge of football talent. Find another position to eval. please QB is over your head. Ok so you are saying Brees sucks just as bad as Brooks not then right?

09-29-2007, 02:21 AM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,337 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by saintsmissile Let me take a wild guess here 12Gauge, you're African American right? If not, you sure sound like it. I don't care if Drew Brees was green, he is now, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year a better qb than Aaron " I never had a winning record EVER" Brooks. Get off your high horse, buddy. You're grasping at straws. Did Brooks EVER get come back player of the year? No. Did Brooks EVER lead TWO different teams to the playoffs? No. Did Brooks EVER throw for 4,000 yards? No. Did Brooks ever finish second in the MVP voting? Did Brooks ever win Co NFL Man of the Year? Has Brees ever had attend a LEADERSHIP CLASS! Did Brooks EVER have a 60+ completion rate?You my deluded friend may need to up your meds. Or lower them, one or the other. This whole thread is stupid and I'm actually dumber for having read it. I was about to go off but you beat me to it. I used to back Brooks. Even when I shouldn't have. There's no question that the guy has physical talent but doggone it his brain was just wired differently. I really wanted Brooks to do well after Blake went down. He didn't. Blake may have taken the Saints further but Brooks just wasn't capable. I think the frustration is born from most people's willingness to blame Brooks for everything wrong with those Haz teams when it's pretty clear that wasn't accurate. We averaged 29 points a game a few years back with Brooks and still everything wrong with civilization got pinned on him. Now we have a pro-bowl caliber QB who's probably thrown more crappy passes over a three game span than Brooks ever did and people are defending him. (See the tipped pass argument) I, for one, have been pointing to the O-Line for several years now. It's as bad now as it was then, but it's no worse. --saintfan The o-line has been junk so far this year no question. But should our frustration with it conceive a Brees/Brooks comparison? Surely you jest. Off topic, where have you been, saintfan? I appreciate your posts and have seen little of them for a while.
	"...it's good to have friends, no matter where they are."--JOESAM2002

09-29-2007, 07:10 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by iceshack149 Off topic, where have you been, saintfan? I appreciate your posts and have seen little of them for a while. Thanks for the shout ice. I've been around. Got banned for taking it to a few moderators here and there, but I've been lurking everywhere. I've been extremely busy the last year and a half since the company I work for got bought out. Just been watching some of these arguments since we've been playing so poorly and can't...hold...it...back...no...mo!

09-30-2007, 09:41 AM	#4
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Same ol' Originally Posted by saintfan Got banned for taking it to a few moderators here and there, but I've been lurking everywhere. Perhaps there is a reason. I've watched your posts throughout the years, and though you often have valid points to make, your tone can come across as hostile or insulting sometimes. When it isn't really necessary. Regarldless, welcome back SF.

09-29-2007, 02:32 AM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' I think you guys are off track. I don't think it should be a comparison but there are a lot of simularities of what 'some' things that happened to Brooks being behind a sorry line and Brees being behind a very similar line. I don't think you can compare the 2 QB's but you can look at there play and see simularities and I can see Brooks having the same issues. I'd have to say if we actually had a great line Brooks could have very well lead a team to a SB... hell Grossman did.

09-29-2007, 11:46 AM	#6
Tony180a Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21	Re: Same ol' I see your point 12 guage. It is not a comparison of Brooks and Brees as QB's, it is the contrast of how the fans react to similiar stimuli. It is what it is....
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09-29-2007, 04:14 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Same ol' I don't know I recall in another thread someone pointing out after the tampa game Brees and a grin and talking it up with the bucs.

09-29-2007, 05:21 PM	#8
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Same ol' After the game is one thing, during what is supposed to be the heat of battle is another.

09-30-2007, 09:56 AM	#9
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,490 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Same ol' We should all be used to this by now guys and gals. The same product the Saints have been putting out on the field for years and getting paid bigtime by the state and all of it's citizens. The organization has been screaming for years that they were going to move but we always come up with the money and it's odd that it's always enough to keep them in New Orleans for only 4 or 5 more years. Wake up people, call Bensons bluff next time, We have nothing to lose but a losing team and maybe regain a little of our own dignities in the process.
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09-29-2007, 06:26 PM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Same ol' ... why am I getting into this .... why am I getting into this... ...oh well... What really started the criticism of Brooks -leadership- was what he said after Turley came to his aid in the Jets game. Heavy criticism on his play didn't really start until the 2002 season, and it started mainly because he had all the physical skills you could ask for in a QB, but didn't know how to use them to effectively be a QB in the NFL. Just imagine if Brees was 6'4" and could launch it 70 yards off his back foot... ... and as usual, at one point it turned into a racial thing, because some black people cannot stand hearing any white people criticizing a brotha, because that's racist, ya know? White people should not even look funny at black people , because that's racist. If you are white, you are supposed to say only good things about back pleople, and forgive black people of any wrongdoing, because they are black. ... myself, I am going to see how this season turns out, before I start making any comments about Drew Brees. After all, he's played 21 games as a Saint, and Brooks had 5 years. "Yeah, but Brooks is black, TR".. Oh, my bad. In that case... The ***** set him up!!!!!
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