It's not all on Jason David

blacksaint · 11-19-2007, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

I'm going to ask you the same question I asked to the Big Picture people on another thread who no one answered.

On that 73yd TD, who was Jason David supposed to be covering?

Because he was jogging there, staring at the QB as usual, with the closest player to him being A. Johnson about 10 yards away, catching a 73 yd TD.

Come to think of it, when 3rd Down gets burned, I always hear the "Bullocks was supposed to be helping him"... ok ... is Bullocks always supposed to pick up whoever 3rd Down decides to let get behind him?

And there were some "game changing" plays. The front 7 got a fumble early, which Mare amazingly enough converted into a 52 yd FG. But that momentum quickly changed when 3rd Down yet again got burned for a 73yd TD.

I don't know if you have played competitive sports , but there's nothing more frustrating that be killing yourself to make plays and gain some advantage, just to have one guy waste it on his bad play. I will refer again to the Rams game: 3rd and 9, 3rd and 12, 3rd and whatever, the Rams converted easily on who? Jason 3rd Down David.
Oh, yeah, it was Bullocks that didn't help him, and Simoneau sucks.

You can say whatever you want, and there is sub-par play out there, but you give 3rd downs like that, you are going to lose more games than win them.

Evidently, you must not have played competitive sports yourself, because you didn't mention not once how the Texans TE's absolutely killed us. There's no way in the world a third string TE is supposed to run down the middle of the field WIDE OPEN for a TD, their TE's were wide open all freaking night for Christ sake. I'm not waving the "I love the JD flag" but, there's a hell of a lot more problems on this team than Jason David.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-20-2007, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

Evidently, you must not have played competitive sports yourself, because you didn't mention not once how the Texans TE's absolutely killed us.

What we have here folks is what is called a non-sequitur, where the first sentence has nothing to do with the second.

There's no way in the world a third string TE is supposed to run down the middle of the field WIDE OPEN for a TD, their TE's were wide open all freaking night for Christ sake. I'm not waving the "I love the JD flag" but, there's a hell of a lot more problems on this team than Jason David.

Now, let us recap the events of the 1st quarter, shall we? I'll just copy and paste from the ESPN play by play :

This is the first Hosuton drive:

1st and 10 at HST 27(14:54) M.Schaub pass to V.Leach to HST 29 for 2 yards (F.Thomas). FUMBLES (F.Thomas), ball out of bounds at HST 29.

2nd and 8 at HST 29(14:54) R.Dayne left tackle to HST 33 for 4 yards (J.Cooper).

3rd and 4 at HST 33(13:47) (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short middle to O.Daniels to HST 38 for 5 yards (S.Shanle). FUMBLES (S.Shanle), RECOVERED by NO-S.Fujita at HST 38. Houston challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1 at 13:29.)

As we can see, ol' Freddie Thomas and Shanlee were bringing it to the TE's. That was 2 TE's fumbling after they got hit by Saints players..

Then, off the fumble we get Mare to finally make a long field goal. Everything is going the Saints way... then, what happens?

Second Texans possession:

1st and 10 at HST 15(12:01) M.Schaub pass short left to K.Walter to HST 24 for 9 yards(J.David)

2nd and 1 at HST 24(11:26) R.Dayne left tackle to HST 27 for 3 yards (H.Thomas).

1st and 10 at HST 27(10:54) M.Schaub pass deep middle to A.Johnson for 73 yards, TOUCHDOWN.36

That's our boy 3rd Down giving up a total of 82 yards in one drive, or about 1/3 of all the yards Schaub had for the afternoon.. in one drive... including a 73 freaking yard TD, and any momentum the defense had ...

... now, a funny thing happens after that... there is a lot tackles made on Texan WRs by the FS and SF... hmmm... wonder why they are dropping back and can't be in the middle to support TE coverage, specially the SF??

Oh, we do hear about Jason David later.. giving up 3rd downs... looking at WRs make catches in front of him...

.. here, you check it out..
.ESPN - New Orleans vs. Houston Play-by-Play, November 18 2007 - NFL Football

.. and, obviously, this goes to my point that having a player give up plays not only so often but in the momentum chaing way he does (long TD's, crucial 3rd downs ) has to be very frustrating and demoralizing to the rest of the team.

11-20-2007, 06:28 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: It's not all on Jason David Originally Posted by blacksaint Evidently, you must not have played competitive sports yourself, because you didn't mention not once how the Texans TE's absolutely killed us. What we have here folks is what is called a non-sequitur, where the first sentence has nothing to do with the second. There's no way in the world a third string TE is supposed to run down the middle of the field WIDE OPEN for a TD, their TE's were wide open all freaking night for Christ sake. I'm not waving the "I love the JD flag" but, there's a hell of a lot more problems on this team than Jason David. Now, let us recap the events of the 1st quarter, shall we? I'll just copy and paste from the ESPN play by play : This is the first Hosuton drive: 1st and 10 at HST 27(14:54) M.Schaub pass to V.Leach to HST 29 for 2 yards (F.Thomas). FUMBLES (F.Thomas), ball out of bounds at HST 29. 2nd and 8 at HST 29(14:54) R.Dayne left tackle to HST 33 for 4 yards (J.Cooper). 3rd and 4 at HST 33(13:47) (Shotgun) M.Schaub pass short middle to O.Daniels to HST 38 for 5 yards (S.Shanle). FUMBLES (S.Shanle), RECOVERED by NO-S.Fujita at HST 38. Houston challenged the fumble ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1 at 13:29.) As we can see, ol' Freddie Thomas and Shanlee were bringing it to the TE's. That was 2 TE's fumbling after they got hit by Saints players.. Then, off the fumble we get Mare to finally make a long field goal. Everything is going the Saints way... then, what happens? Second Texans possession: 1st and 10 at HST 15(12:01) M.Schaub pass short left to K.Walter to HST 24 for 9 yards(J.David) 2nd and 1 at HST 24(11:26) R.Dayne left tackle to HST 27 for 3 yards (H.Thomas). 1st and 10 at HST 27(10:54) M.Schaub pass deep middle to A.Johnson for 73 yards, TOUCHDOWN.36 That's our boy 3rd Down giving up a total of 82 yards in one drive, or about 1/3 of all the yards Schaub had for the afternoon.. in one drive... including a 73 freaking yard TD, and any momentum the defense had ... ... now, a funny thing happens after that... there is a lot tackles made on Texan WRs by the FS and SF... hmmm... wonder why they are dropping back and can't be in the middle to support TE coverage, specially the SF?? Oh, we do hear about Jason David later.. giving up 3rd downs... looking at WRs make catches in front of him... .. here, you check it out.. .ESPN - New Orleans vs. Houston Play-by-Play, November 18 2007 - NFL Football .. and, obviously, this goes to my point that having a player give up plays not only so often but in the momentum chaing way he does (long TD's, crucial 3rd downs ) has to be very frustrating and demoralizing to the rest of the team.
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11-19-2007, 11:22 PM	#1
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: It's not all on Jason David Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper I'm going to ask you the same question I asked to the Big Picture people on another thread who no one answered. On that 73yd TD, who was Jason David supposed to be covering? Because he was jogging there, staring at the QB as usual, with the closest player to him being A. Johnson about 10 yards away, catching a 73 yd TD. Come to think of it, when 3rd Down gets burned, I always hear the "Bullocks was supposed to be helping him"... ok ... is Bullocks always supposed to pick up whoever 3rd Down decides to let get behind him? And there were some "game changing" plays. The front 7 got a fumble early, which Mare amazingly enough converted into a 52 yd FG. But that momentum quickly changed when 3rd Down yet again got burned for a 73yd TD. I don't know if you have played competitive sports , but there's nothing more frustrating that be killing yourself to make plays and gain some advantage, just to have one guy waste it on his bad play. I will refer again to the Rams game: 3rd and 9, 3rd and 12, 3rd and whatever, the Rams converted easily on who? Jason 3rd Down David. Oh, yeah, it was Bullocks that didn't help him, and Simoneau sucks. You can say whatever you want, and there is sub-par play out there, but you give 3rd downs like that, you are going to lose more games than win them. Evidently, you must not have played competitive sports yourself, because you didn't mention not once how the Texans TE's absolutely killed us. There's no way in the world a third string TE is supposed to run down the middle of the field WIDE OPEN for a TD, their TE's were wide open all freaking night for Christ sake. I'm not waving the "I love the JD flag" but, there's a hell of a lot more problems on this team than Jason David.