David Did Play Well

papz · 12-16-2007, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by geauxldenhustle25

his tackling has been wimpy... although his coverage... yeah he did ok

I don't think I need to elaborate on this.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-16-2007, 09:33 PM

3rd and 16 in AZ territory in the 2nd quarter, anyone?

Euphoria · 12-16-2007, 10:13 PM

Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game.

Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be.

Ron Landry of Washington. Rookie out of LSU, whatch that guy play saftey... he is where he is suppose to be and lit up Burress on a deep route. Taunting made it all for not but that is how you play saftey. Our guys are running like chickens with there heads cut off.

I blame our D coaching first and for most for not teaching them how to play disiplined football.

Turbo Saint · 12-16-2007, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game.

Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be.

Ron Landry of Washington. Rookie out of LSU, whatch that guy play saftey... he is where he is suppose to be and lit up Burress on a deep route. Taunting made it all for not but that is how you play saftey. Our guys are running like chickens with there heads cut off.

I blame our D coaching first and for most for not teaching them how to play disiplined football.

agreed...LARON is awesome...harper can play like him...but i think having bullocks next to him made him kinda jittery :\

Euphoria · 12-16-2007, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Which game?

Just the ones he played in.

You do need to go back and look at the games. I don't know much about football but isn't it the cornerbacks job to cover wide receivers? I may be wrong though but I think that's why they're usually lined up opposite them. Can someone confirm this observation of mines?

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Tobias-Reiper · 12-17-2007, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

If you go back and actually look at the games you'll see it was the Safties they were picking on not him. Safties are to often out of place!

Ok, Mr. Saints Game Tape Watcher Guy, please explain to us then, who or what is David supposed to be covering. Or just who are the cornerbacks supposed to cover.

And while you are at it, also explain to us how standing looking at the WR catch a 3rd and 16 pass is not giving up a big play. Oh, yeah, it’s the safeties... silly me..

papz · 12-17-2007, 08:41 AM

It's the safeties job to cover the receivers.... DUH Tobias. Tape watcher guy knows his stuff.

FrenzyFan · 12-17-2007, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game.

Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be...

This post demonstrates understanding of the concept of safety help, but not very good tape evaluation. On that particular play, the offensive play call had a double in route with required the safety to cover the shorter in route, while McKenzie had to cover the deep route. This was because the defense called was "quarters". It just happened to be the right offensive call against that defense (or the wrong defensive call for that offensive play - depending on how you look at it). If the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter in, that's who the ball would have went to and the result would have been the same for the offense. Then we'd be complaining how the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter route....

andersen · 12-17-2007, 09:21 AM

Everyone is forgetting that the best pass defense is a rush. We just cannot get pressure with the front four, defensive coordinator does not like to blitz/dog because of his personnel (david, bullocks), so we keep playing this zone and hoping they make a mistake. Fugita is the only LB that can get pressure when his number is called. We need to pressure McNabb next week, not let him sit back there and pat the ball.

WhoDat205 · 12-17-2007, 10:54 AM

David AND Bullocks have played poorly this season. Both may have played well in a game or two, but both have been liabilities.

I really like the way KK has played these last two games. He's no Ed Reed, but teams need role players, too. If we can get a really good CB in Free Agency, I really like our position going into the draft.

12-16-2007, 07:09 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: David Did Play Well Originally Posted by geauxldenhustle25 his tackling has been wimpy... although his coverage... yeah he did ok I don't think I need to elaborate on this.

12-16-2007, 09:33 PM	#12
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: David Did Play Well 3rd and 16 in AZ territory in the 2nd quarter, anyone?

12-16-2007, 10:13 PM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: David Did Play Well Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game. Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be. Ron Landry of Washington. Rookie out of LSU, whatch that guy play saftey... he is where he is suppose to be and lit up Burress on a deep route. Taunting made it all for not but that is how you play saftey. Our guys are running like chickens with there heads cut off. I blame our D coaching first and for most for not teaching them how to play disiplined football.
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12-16-2007, 10:20 PM	#14
Turbo Saint SoCal Saint Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: OB - San Diego, CA Posts: 726	Re: David Did Play Well Originally Posted by Euphoria Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game. Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be. Ron Landry of Washington. Rookie out of LSU, whatch that guy play saftey... he is where he is suppose to be and lit up Burress on a deep route. Taunting made it all for not but that is how you play saftey. Our guys are running like chickens with there heads cut off. I blame our D coaching first and for most for not teaching them how to play disiplined football. agreed...LARON is awesome...harper can play like him...but i think having bullocks next to him made him kinda jittery :\

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: David Did Play Well Originally Posted by papz Which game? Just the ones he played in. You do need to go back and look at the games. I don't know much about football but isn't it the cornerbacks job to cover wide receivers? I may be wrong though but I think that's why they're usually lined up opposite them. Can someone confirm this observation of mines? http://blackandgold.com/forums/new-o...ed-better.html

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12-17-2007, 07:50 AM	#16
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: David Did Play Well Originally Posted by Euphoria If you go back and actually look at the games you'll see it was the Safties they were picking on not him. Safties are to often out of place! Ok, Mr. Saints Game Tape Watcher Guy, please explain to us then, who or what is David supposed to be covering. Or just who are the cornerbacks supposed to cover. And while you are at it, also explain to us how standing looking at the WR catch a 3rd and 16 pass is not giving up a big play. Oh, yeah, it’s the safeties... silly me..

12-17-2007, 08:41 AM	#17
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: David Did Play Well It's the safeties job to cover the receivers.... DUH Tobias. Tape watcher guy knows his stuff.

12-17-2007, 09:02 AM	#18
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: David Did Play Well Originally Posted by Euphoria Here is what a lot of people don't see when they watch the game. Lets take MM giving up a TD in the endzone. Who's fault? Saftey! He was suppose to help on the DEEP routes... the deep route was the one MM was covering on. Instead the safety bit on the shorter underneath route that I can't tell who it was covering that WR it appears to be craft. But the point is our safties are getting picked on bigtime. They aren't where they are suppose to be... This post demonstrates understanding of the concept of safety help, but not very good tape evaluation. On that particular play, the offensive play call had a double in route with required the safety to cover the shorter in route, while McKenzie had to cover the deep route. This was because the defense called was "quarters". It just happened to be the right offensive call against that defense (or the wrong defensive call for that offensive play - depending on how you look at it). If the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter in, that's who the ball would have went to and the result would have been the same for the offense. Then we'd be complaining how the safety hadn't moved up to cover the shorter route....
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andersen With an "E" Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Madisonville, LA Posts: 429	Re: David Did Play Well Everyone is forgetting that the best pass defense is a rush. We just cannot get pressure with the front four, defensive coordinator does not like to blitz/dog because of his personnel (david, bullocks), so we keep playing this zone and hoping they make a mistake. Fugita is the only LB that can get pressure when his number is called. We need to pressure McNabb next week, not let him sit back there and pat the ball.

12-17-2007, 10:54 AM	#20
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: David Did Play Well David AND Bullocks have played poorly this season. Both may have played well in a game or two, but both have been liabilities. I really like the way KK has played these last two games. He's no Ed Reed, but teams need role players, too. If we can get a really good CB in Free Agency, I really like our position going into the draft.