Arrington Steal of the Draft

foreverfan · 05-01-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I still disagree... whats the point in practicing at all. Why was Jerry Rice running routes and catching balls and running all sorts of drills even until his last days on the field. And you know the whole time playing football he was learning ballet for body control right?

Why do Professional baseball players take batting practice... its eye hand coordination.

Because when you have it, you can prefect it. If you don't have it, no matter how much you practice, you won't become great. You might become better, but you won't become Jerry Rice or Chris Paul.

Sure practice helps, but you either have the intangibles or you don't or everybody would be great.

Some people run fast and other players think 1/10 of a second quicker than others which may be coachable. Still, how do you teach a player to think faster? He either thinks fast or he doesn't. At some point you hit the wall in terms of how good you will be.

So do you think the light is going to go on for Devery or has he hit the wall in terms of how great he can be?

Not everyone can be a Guru.

Euphoria · 05-01-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Because when you have it, you can prefect it. If you don't have it, no matter how much you practice, you won't become great. You might become better, but you won't become Jerry Rice or Chris Paul.

Sure practice helps, but you either have the intangibles or you don't or everybody would be great.

Some people run fast and other players think 1/10 of a second quicker than others which may be coachable. Still, how do you teach a player to think faster? He either thinks fast or he doesn't. At some point you hit the wall in terms of how good you will be.

So do you think the light is going to go on for Devery or has he hit the wall in terms of how great he can be?

Not everyone can be a Guru.

But see not you are contridicting... if you have it you can 'perfect it', that implies you can get just a tad better.

Now you are making my point "intangibles" such as speed can't be taught.

You teach a player to think fast by putting him in a position over and over teaching him how to react. Sure over time with age he'll lose a step but you practice and go through situations with your team so they react the way you want them and the more they do it the faster they get at it.

I don't think anyone is asking Devery to be great. He is I think here to serve a purpose. He could get better but his primary role for our offense is to RUN DEVERY RUN. On occasion let one fly out there to him. He's made some great catches. I don't think anyone is asking him to be Jerry Rice. If he was here to do anything other than... ya think he would have been cut by now. YES.

Its takes awhile for WR to get use to the speed and adapt the the NFL especially as a WR.

JKool · 05-01-2008, 02:51 PM

I think the dispute here is not over whether such and such can be coached, but rather what is the limit to which coaching (and practice, drills, and so on) can impact a particular trait.

Speed, can be improved, but there is a physical limit (set by the player's muscle structure and so on).

The question is not whether such and such can be coached, rather it is how much coaching will improve such and such.

gandhi1007 · 05-01-2008, 03:45 PM

He was a very solid pick. Good size & good hands. I wouldn't compare him to Colston, though. The only receiver in this year's draft class that I would compare to Colston is Marcus Monk from Arkansas. I really wish we would have got him too. He's going to be a good one.

gptsaintsfan · 05-01-2008, 06:40 PM

I'm more excited about watching Arrington than Meachem come Training Camp! I got a bad feeling that over the next couple of years meachem will go down as a jonathan sullivan type of player--bust. Just my thoughts.

CantonLegend · 05-01-2008, 06:53 PM

i think that meachem will step up and be a threat this year in the slot and split time with patton as the 2nd wideout....i think arrington will make the team and take either lance moore or terrance coppers spot...i just dont think he will step in and be the play maker we are looking for...i do think he was a steal tho

RickyInKenner · 05-01-2008, 08:23 PM

well I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you want something bad enough, you'll get it done. if a player wants to be faster, he can get faster. through various methods. just an example.

CantonLegend · 05-01-2008, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by RickyInKenner

well I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you want something bad enough, you'll get it done. if a player wants to be faster, he can get faster. through various methods. just an example.

theres no denying that working on something can help but the 4.3-40s cant be taught...somebody that fast is talented and it doesnt come from the constantly working at it....arrington doesnt have that kinda speed and he doesnt have the speed to separate like devery henderson...i think that arrington will take a spot on the roster....just not a starting spot

RickyInKenner · 05-01-2008, 08:45 PM

TJ whos your momma increased his 40 time by like...a full second lol.

CantonLegend · 05-01-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by RickyInKenner

TJ whos your momma increased his 40 time by like...a full second lol.

from 4.7 to 4.6?.....is that what he did....and how come ur so big on the bengals man?....if u shave off some poundage u can get a little faster dude...im not sayin its impossible...im just sayin real speed like devin hester and reggie cant be taught

05-01-2008, 02:44 PM	#1
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by Euphoria I still disagree... whats the point in practicing at all. Why was Jerry Rice running routes and catching balls and running all sorts of drills even until his last days on the field. And you know the whole time playing football he was learning ballet for body control right? Why do Professional baseball players take batting practice... its eye hand coordination. Because when you have it, you can prefect it. If you don't have it, no matter how much you practice, you won't become great. You might become better, but you won't become Jerry Rice or Chris Paul. Sure practice helps, but you either have the intangibles or you don't or everybody would be great. Some people run fast and other players think 1/10 of a second quicker than others which may be coachable. Still, how do you teach a player to think faster? He either thinks fast or he doesn't. At some point you hit the wall in terms of how good you will be. So do you think the light is going to go on for Devery or has he hit the wall in terms of how great he can be? Not everyone can be a Guru.
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05-01-2008, 02:58 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by foreverfan Because when you have it, you can prefect it. If you don't have it, no matter how much you practice, you won't become great. You might become better, but you won't become Jerry Rice or Chris Paul. Sure practice helps, but you either have the intangibles or you don't or everybody would be great. Some people run fast and other players think 1/10 of a second quicker than others which may be coachable. Still, how do you teach a player to think faster? He either thinks fast or he doesn't. At some point you hit the wall in terms of how good you will be. So do you think the light is going to go on for Devery or has he hit the wall in terms of how great he can be? Not everyone can be a Guru. But see not you are contridicting... if you have it you can 'perfect it', that implies you can get just a tad better. Now you are making my point "intangibles" such as speed can't be taught. You teach a player to think fast by putting him in a position over and over teaching him how to react. Sure over time with age he'll lose a step but you practice and go through situations with your team so they react the way you want them and the more they do it the faster they get at it. I don't think anyone is asking Devery to be great. He is I think here to serve a purpose. He could get better but his primary role for our offense is to RUN DEVERY RUN. On occasion let one fly out there to him. He's made some great catches. I don't think anyone is asking him to be Jerry Rice. If he was here to do anything other than... ya think he would have been cut by now. YES. Its takes awhile for WR to get use to the speed and adapt the the NFL especially as a WR.
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05-01-2008, 02:51 PM	#3
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft I think the dispute here is not over whether such and such can be coached, but rather what is the limit to which coaching (and practice, drills, and so on) can impact a particular trait. Speed, can be improved, but there is a physical limit (set by the player's muscle structure and so on). The question is not whether such and such can be coached, rather it is how much coaching will improve such and such.

05-01-2008, 03:45 PM	#4
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft He was a very solid pick. Good size & good hands. I wouldn't compare him to Colston, though. The only receiver in this year's draft class that I would compare to Colston is Marcus Monk from Arkansas. I really wish we would have got him too. He's going to be a good one.

05-01-2008, 06:40 PM	#5
gptsaintsfan THE BEAST Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 85	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft I'm more excited about watching Arrington than Meachem come Training Camp! I got a bad feeling that over the next couple of years meachem will go down as a jonathan sullivan type of player--bust. Just my thoughts.

05-01-2008, 06:53 PM	#6
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft i think that meachem will step up and be a threat this year in the slot and split time with patton as the 2nd wideout....i think arrington will make the team and take either lance moore or terrance coppers spot...i just dont think he will step in and be the play maker we are looking for...i do think he was a steal tho

05-01-2008, 08:23 PM	#7
RickyInKenner Registered Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 60	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft well I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you want something bad enough, you'll get it done. if a player wants to be faster, he can get faster. through various methods. just an example.
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05-01-2008, 08:39 PM	#8
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by RickyInKenner well I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you want something bad enough, you'll get it done. if a player wants to be faster, he can get faster. through various methods. just an example. theres no denying that working on something can help but the 4.3-40s cant be taught...somebody that fast is talented and it doesnt come from the constantly working at it....arrington doesnt have that kinda speed and he doesnt have the speed to separate like devery henderson...i think that arrington will take a spot on the roster....just not a starting spot

05-01-2008, 08:45 PM	#9
RickyInKenner Registered Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 60	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft TJ whos your momma increased his 40 time by like...a full second lol.
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05-01-2008, 08:56 PM	#10
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Arrington Steal of the Draft Originally Posted by RickyInKenner TJ whos your momma increased his 40 time by like...a full second lol. from 4.7 to 4.6?.....is that what he did....and how come ur so big on the bengals man?....if u shave off some poundage u can get a little faster dude...im not sayin its impossible...im just sayin real speed like devin hester and reggie cant be taught