Whats wrong with Brown?

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I'm going to say this....Brown is not an All-Pro!!! He made one Pro Bowl while riding the hype of the saints best season ever. By the way...he also leads the team in penalties by an offensive lineman. So...yes he's a good RT, but Strief would be a better LT IMO.

how can an unproven tackle start over a pro-bowler...it doesnt matter if he made it only one year....he earned it....dont hate on a saint dude...streif is a back up and a good one..but hes a backup....u can use the games he got to play as an example but not a whole argument...he hasnt shown consistency much like brown....while offsides are inexcusable.....his penalties were not detrimental to the outcome of the game...thats easily fixed and thats a terrible thing to rip on somebody....thats like saying jason davids biggest concern is holding the recievers....brown doesnt have many...if ne question marks with his blocking....the sacks came off of blitzes and yes...some linemen sacks but the saints got taken advantage of...we didnt expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season...we adjusted and it fixed the problem

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

how can an unproven tackle start over a pro-bowler...it doesnt matter if he made it only one year....he earned it....dont hate on a saint dude...streif is a back up and a good one..but hes a backup....u can use the games he got to play as an example but not a whole argument...he hasnt shown consistency much like brown....while offsides are inexcusable.....his penalties were not detrimental to the outcome of the game...thats easily fixed and thats a terrible thing to rip on somebody....thats like saying jason davids biggest concern is holding the recievers....brown doesnt have many...if ne question marks with his blocking....the sacks came off of blitzes and yes...some linemen sacks but the saints got taken advantage of...we didnt expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season...we adjusted and it fixed the problem

Unproven? How's this for proof? Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years. In his starts in the pros, he allowed less sacks, less tackles behind the line of scrimmage, & had less penalties per game than J. Brown. He's also a much better run blocker. Now...if all you can use is the term unproven in regards to starting time, everyone in the NFL is unproven at one time or another. As for the "we didn't expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season" excuse....dude, it's the NFL! As a starting offensive lineman, you should expect pressure from opposing defenses EVERY game. That's just a poor excuse for bad play. I'm not saying Brown is horrible. He's not. I'm saying he's a better fit at RT where he could actually be an elite RT (especially with help from J'Hari Evans at his side). I've been to just about every home game for the last 4 years & I'm telling you....Strief has performed better at LT than Brown in his starts. I know you're on the "I love J. Brown" train, but watch the games & you will see what a few of us are trying to tell you.

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Unproven? How's this for proof? Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years. In his starts in the pros, he allowed less sacks, less tackles behind the line of scrimmage, & had less penalties per game than J. Brown. He's also a much better run blocker. Now...if all you can use is the term unproven in regards to starting time, everyone in the NFL is unproven at one time or another. As for the "we didn't expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season" excuse....dude, it's the NFL! As a starting offensive lineman, you should expect pressure from opposing defenses EVERY game. That's just a poor excuse for bad play. I'm not saying Brown is horrible. He's not. I'm saying he's a better fit at RT where he could actually be an elite RT (especially with help from J'Hari Evans at his side). I've been to just about every home game for the last 4 years & I'm telling you....Strief has performed better at LT than Brown in his starts. I know you're on the "I love J. Brown" train, but watch the games & you will see what a few of us are trying to tell you.

I like Jammal brown and i think he is a good LT....he is not elite...but he is worthy of starting at LT....for some reason u are obsessed with strief...he may start at RT this year but brown has earned his position....and dude..ne body except stinch can do a great job with jahri over there...lol thats silly....jahri is great....the fact that they got blitzed like no other is not an excuse...its just lack of communication and may have caused his false starts...hmm?...if u get overloaded on one side its more likely u'll jump?...it is true however....later in the season we had better protection because we anticipated the blitz on the left....we have a great line and switching too many players around could mess up the gel we have...why fix something that isnt broken?

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

I like Jammal brown and i think he is a good LT....he is not elite...but he is worthy of starting at LT....for some reason u are obsessed with strief...he may start at RT this year but brown has earned his position....and dude..ne body except stinch can do a great job with jahri over there...lol thats silly....jahri is great....the fact that they got blitzed like no other is not an excuse...its just lack of communication and may have caused his false starts...hmm?...if u get overloaded on one side its more likely u'll jump?...it is true however....later in the season we had better protection because we anticipated the blitz on the left....we have a great line and switching too many players around could mess up the gel we have...why fix something that isnt broken?

Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done.

P.S.- No one is obsessed with Strief. I do however have my opinion that he is a better fit at LT than Brown. That opinion is based on actually being at the games & watching what takes place on the field....not what stats & accolades I read on any one player. For instance...Emmitt Smith is the NFL's all time leading rusher. Do I believe he was better than Walter Payton or Barry Sanders? HELL NO!!!! I watched all of them play & I can tell you that Emmitt couldn't hold a candle to those two. But....if you go by blind stats, Emmitt is supposedly the best of all times, right? Hmmmm....

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done.

i figured somebody would say something about that....and i had 2 different meanings for elite and premier...i shoulda clarified it....he is a premiere LT....he goes in consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....an elite LT goes in and does his job consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....but he does it better than nebody else...he is intimidating...he is ferocious so-to-speak....he does it with ease....if u dont wanna go on about it thats fine....but i thought u might want me to clear that up for u

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 03:44 PM

i think that definition clarifies the emmit argument too.....he would fall under premiere then wouldnt he?....Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time...Jim brown set the record in less games but he was before his time...walter had the speed and size and altheticism to beat out ne running back of ne time...emmit was consistant week in and week out but was not flashy about it and didnt wow ne body with his talent

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 03:48 PM

and....sorry..im kinda rambling.....im not comparing jammal brown to jonnathan ogden or orlando pace....or even willie roaf....but i think he deserves credit for holding down the line....he deserves it for his accomplishments not the criticisms that every player has....hes not perfect but he does his job and he does it well

thesaintsfan · 05-03-2008, 04:29 PM

Dear gandhi,

You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league.

I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT!

If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.

hagan714 · 05-03-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time

Agreed. wonder if we could still get some DNA and clone him? I could wait 22 years. SWEETNESS

05-03-2008, 01:08 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I'm going to say this....Brown is not an All-Pro!!! He made one Pro Bowl while riding the hype of the saints best season ever. By the way...he also leads the team in penalties by an offensive lineman. So...yes he's a good RT, but Strief would be a better LT IMO. how can an unproven tackle start over a pro-bowler...it doesnt matter if he made it only one year....he earned it....dont hate on a saint dude...streif is a back up and a good one..but hes a backup....u can use the games he got to play as an example but not a whole argument...he hasnt shown consistency much like brown....while offsides are inexcusable.....his penalties were not detrimental to the outcome of the game...thats easily fixed and thats a terrible thing to rip on somebody....thats like saying jason davids biggest concern is holding the recievers....brown doesnt have many...if ne question marks with his blocking....the sacks came off of blitzes and yes...some linemen sacks but the saints got taken advantage of...we didnt expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season...we adjusted and it fixed the problem
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05-03-2008, 01:59 PM	#2
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend how can an unproven tackle start over a pro-bowler...it doesnt matter if he made it only one year....he earned it....dont hate on a saint dude...streif is a back up and a good one..but hes a backup....u can use the games he got to play as an example but not a whole argument...he hasnt shown consistency much like brown....while offsides are inexcusable.....his penalties were not detrimental to the outcome of the game...thats easily fixed and thats a terrible thing to rip on somebody....thats like saying jason davids biggest concern is holding the recievers....brown doesnt have many...if ne question marks with his blocking....the sacks came off of blitzes and yes...some linemen sacks but the saints got taken advantage of...we didnt expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season...we adjusted and it fixed the problem Unproven? How's this for proof? Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years. In his starts in the pros, he allowed less sacks, less tackles behind the line of scrimmage, & had less penalties per game than J. Brown. He's also a much better run blocker. Now...if all you can use is the term unproven in regards to starting time, everyone in the NFL is unproven at one time or another. As for the "we didn't expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season" excuse....dude, it's the NFL! As a starting offensive lineman, you should expect pressure from opposing defenses EVERY game. That's just a poor excuse for bad play. I'm not saying Brown is horrible. He's not. I'm saying he's a better fit at RT where he could actually be an elite RT (especially with help from J'Hari Evans at his side). I've been to just about every home game for the last 4 years & I'm telling you....Strief has performed better at LT than Brown in his starts. I know you're on the "I love J. Brown" train, but watch the games & you will see what a few of us are trying to tell you.
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05-03-2008, 03:03 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Unproven? How's this for proof? Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years. In his starts in the pros, he allowed less sacks, less tackles behind the line of scrimmage, & had less penalties per game than J. Brown. He's also a much better run blocker. Now...if all you can use is the term unproven in regards to starting time, everyone in the NFL is unproven at one time or another. As for the "we didn't expect so much pressure from defenses that early in the season" excuse....dude, it's the NFL! As a starting offensive lineman, you should expect pressure from opposing defenses EVERY game. That's just a poor excuse for bad play. I'm not saying Brown is horrible. He's not. I'm saying he's a better fit at RT where he could actually be an elite RT (especially with help from J'Hari Evans at his side). I've been to just about every home game for the last 4 years & I'm telling you....Strief has performed better at LT than Brown in his starts. I know you're on the "I love J. Brown" train, but watch the games & you will see what a few of us are trying to tell you. I like Jammal brown and i think he is a good LT....he is not elite...but he is worthy of starting at LT....for some reason u are obsessed with strief...he may start at RT this year but brown has earned his position....and dude..ne body except stinch can do a great job with jahri over there...lol thats silly....jahri is great....the fact that they got blitzed like no other is not an excuse...its just lack of communication and may have caused his false starts...hmm?...if u get overloaded on one side its more likely u'll jump?...it is true however....later in the season we had better protection because we anticipated the blitz on the left....we have a great line and switching too many players around could mess up the gel we have...why fix something that isnt broken?
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

05-03-2008, 03:28 PM	#4
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend I like Jammal brown and i think he is a good LT....he is not elite...but he is worthy of starting at LT....for some reason u are obsessed with strief...he may start at RT this year but brown has earned his position....and dude..ne body except stinch can do a great job with jahri over there...lol thats silly....jahri is great....the fact that they got blitzed like no other is not an excuse...its just lack of communication and may have caused his false starts...hmm?...if u get overloaded on one side its more likely u'll jump?...it is true however....later in the season we had better protection because we anticipated the blitz on the left....we have a great line and switching too many players around could mess up the gel we have...why fix something that isnt broken? Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done. P.S.- No one is obsessed with Strief. I do however have my opinion that he is a better fit at LT than Brown. That opinion is based on actually being at the games & watching what takes place on the field....not what stats & accolades I read on any one player. For instance...Emmitt Smith is the NFL's all time leading rusher. Do I believe he was better than Walter Payton or Barry Sanders? HELL NO!!!! I watched all of them play & I can tell you that Emmitt couldn't hold a candle to those two. But....if you go by blind stats, Emmitt is supposedly the best of all times, right? Hmmmm....
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05-03-2008, 03:41 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done. i figured somebody would say something about that....and i had 2 different meanings for elite and premier...i shoulda clarified it....he is a premiere LT....he goes in consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....an elite LT goes in and does his job consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....but he does it better than nebody else...he is intimidating...he is ferocious so-to-speak....he does it with ease....if u dont wanna go on about it thats fine....but i thought u might want me to clear that up for u
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05-03-2008, 03:44 PM	#6
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? i think that definition clarifies the emmit argument too.....he would fall under premiere then wouldnt he?....Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time...Jim brown set the record in less games but he was before his time...walter had the speed and size and altheticism to beat out ne running back of ne time...emmit was consistant week in and week out but was not flashy about it and didnt wow ne body with his talent

05-03-2008, 03:48 PM	#7
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? and....sorry..im kinda rambling.....im not comparing jammal brown to jonnathan ogden or orlando pace....or even willie roaf....but i think he deserves credit for holding down the line....he deserves it for his accomplishments not the criticisms that every player has....hes not perfect but he does his job and he does it well

05-03-2008, 04:29 PM	#8
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Dear gandhi, You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league. I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT! If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.
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05-03-2008, 05:09 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time Agreed. wonder if we could still get some DNA and clone him? I could wait 22 years. SWEETNESS