Whats wrong with Brown?

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

I like Jammal brown and i think he is a good LT....he is not elite...but he is worthy of starting at LT....for some reason u are obsessed with strief...he may start at RT this year but brown has earned his position....and dude..ne body except stinch can do a great job with jahri over there...lol thats silly....jahri is great....the fact that they got blitzed like no other is not an excuse...its just lack of communication and may have caused his false starts...hmm?...if u get overloaded on one side its more likely u'll jump?...it is true however....later in the season we had better protection because we anticipated the blitz on the left....we have a great line and switching too many players around could mess up the gel we have...why fix something that isnt broken?

Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done.

P.S.- No one is obsessed with Strief. I do however have my opinion that he is a better fit at LT than Brown. That opinion is based on actually being at the games & watching what takes place on the field....not what stats & accolades I read on any one player. For instance...Emmitt Smith is the NFL's all time leading rusher. Do I believe he was better than Walter Payton or Barry Sanders? HELL NO!!!! I watched all of them play & I can tell you that Emmitt couldn't hold a candle to those two. But....if you go by blind stats, Emmitt is supposedly the best of all times, right? Hmmmm....

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done.

i figured somebody would say something about that....and i had 2 different meanings for elite and premier...i shoulda clarified it....he is a premiere LT....he goes in consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....an elite LT goes in and does his job consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....but he does it better than nebody else...he is intimidating...he is ferocious so-to-speak....he does it with ease....if u dont wanna go on about it thats fine....but i thought u might want me to clear that up for u

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 03:44 PM

i think that definition clarifies the emmit argument too.....he would fall under premiere then wouldnt he?....Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time...Jim brown set the record in less games but he was before his time...walter had the speed and size and altheticism to beat out ne running back of ne time...emmit was consistant week in and week out but was not flashy about it and didnt wow ne body with his talent

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 03:48 PM

and....sorry..im kinda rambling.....im not comparing jammal brown to jonnathan ogden or orlando pace....or even willie roaf....but i think he deserves credit for holding down the line....he deserves it for his accomplishments not the criticisms that every player has....hes not perfect but he does his job and he does it well

thesaintsfan · 05-03-2008, 04:29 PM

Dear gandhi,

You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league.

I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT!

If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

Dear gandhi,

You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league.

I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT!

If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.

Above average LT, I could agree with. Premiere or elite....HELL NO!!!

Now...1st off, as I said earlier, LT is tougher than RT. Scroll back man. You'll see that I've already established that fact. As for watching the games....did you watch DeMarcus Ware treat Brown like his personal biyatch consistently? Or how about Julius Peppers? Did you see him blow by Brown consistently? I sure did. I also saw a supposed Pro Bowler consistently average more penalties than anyone else on our line for years now (including Evans in his rookie season). How many times have I heard "False Start #70" or "Holding #70" on the loudspeaker in the dome? Brown was an All American. Great! Strief was a 1st team All American & 3-time 1st team All Big TEN OT. I believe that trumps Brown's college career, but that wasn't my point. My point was that everyone is deemed unproven until they actually start for a season.

Now... add all of this to the fact that I saw Strief man-handle two top flight DE's while manning the LT position in Brown's absence, one of which was Julius Peppers (the same guy who consistently beat Brown). Do you know how many sacks Peppers had? 0. How about tackles behind the line? 0. This is just one example. I hate to say this....but if you don't think it's close, we're not watching the same games. I'll also say this....if you really think he deserved that Pro Bowl invite when no one else on that line went, you're out of your mind! Like I said before....he rode the coattails of a winning season into that Pro Bowl.

By the way....a RT does not have any less reponsibilty or more help. He still has a job to do as well. It just so happens that the better DE's are usually lining up against the LT to attack from the blind side.

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 07:11 PM

Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad....not just brown...and he looked no worse than the rest of the NFC against those 2....no doubt Brown would make a great RT....and i would love for him to be there because that would mean we have a pure beast at LT...strief isnt that guy lol....i actually went back and looked at some films of him from last year...and the only thing i saw was brown making the blocks...keeping his head on a swivel....choppin his feet....and kicking the horse @#%$ outta the ends he went against....maybe i missed something

hagan714 · 05-03-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad....

There you just found the standard for the LT position. now can Bushrod be that man? we will find out this year. same goes for Andy. Those two will be on the field. So the test for 2009 starts now

hagan714 · 05-03-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time

Agreed. wonder if we could still get some DNA and clone him? I could wait 22 years. SWEETNESS

05-03-2008, 03:28 PM	#1
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend I like Jammal brown and i think he is a good LT....he is not elite...but he is worthy of starting at LT....for some reason u are obsessed with strief...he may start at RT this year but brown has earned his position....and dude..ne body except stinch can do a great job with jahri over there...lol thats silly....jahri is great....the fact that they got blitzed like no other is not an excuse...its just lack of communication and may have caused his false starts...hmm?...if u get overloaded on one side its more likely u'll jump?...it is true however....later in the season we had better protection because we anticipated the blitz on the left....we have a great line and switching too many players around could mess up the gel we have...why fix something that isnt broken? Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done. P.S.- No one is obsessed with Strief. I do however have my opinion that he is a better fit at LT than Brown. That opinion is based on actually being at the games & watching what takes place on the field....not what stats & accolades I read on any one player. For instance...Emmitt Smith is the NFL's all time leading rusher. Do I believe he was better than Walter Payton or Barry Sanders? HELL NO!!!! I watched all of them play & I can tell you that Emmitt couldn't hold a candle to those two. But....if you go by blind stats, Emmitt is supposedly the best of all times, right? Hmmmm....
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05-03-2008, 03:41 PM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Let me get this straight..... You've gone from "Brown is a premiere LT" to "he is not elite". Huh? Is this the Okey-Doke or what? Dude....I'm done. i figured somebody would say something about that....and i had 2 different meanings for elite and premier...i shoulda clarified it....he is a premiere LT....he goes in consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....an elite LT goes in and does his job consistantly and does his job on a weekly basis....but he does it better than nebody else...he is intimidating...he is ferocious so-to-speak....he does it with ease....if u dont wanna go on about it thats fine....but i thought u might want me to clear that up for u
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05-03-2008, 03:44 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? i think that definition clarifies the emmit argument too.....he would fall under premiere then wouldnt he?....Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time...Jim brown set the record in less games but he was before his time...walter had the speed and size and altheticism to beat out ne running back of ne time...emmit was consistant week in and week out but was not flashy about it and didnt wow ne body with his talent

05-03-2008, 03:48 PM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? and....sorry..im kinda rambling.....im not comparing jammal brown to jonnathan ogden or orlando pace....or even willie roaf....but i think he deserves credit for holding down the line....he deserves it for his accomplishments not the criticisms that every player has....hes not perfect but he does his job and he does it well

05-03-2008, 04:29 PM	#5
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Dear gandhi, You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league. I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT! If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close.
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05-03-2008, 06:30 PM	#6
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by thesaintsfan Dear gandhi, You act like you're the only one who watches the games. An opinion based on actually being at the games is still just an opinion. I've watched almost every game J.Brown has played and in my opinion he's an above average starter in this league. I thought your argument for wanting Strief to start over Brown at LT was laughable. "Strief anchored his college offensive line for 3 years", why does that make him better than Brown. What about what Brown did in college? He was a freaking All American! Since when does being a 3 year starter in college make you better than a proven starter in the NFL. Not only a proven starter but a guy that went to the Pro Bowl. And I don't want to hear the BS about how he only made the Pro Bowl because the Saints had a good season. Why would somebody say that about one of our players? Brown was a beast two years ago and he'll be a beast again this year if he stays healthy. And of course he would be a better RT than LT, who wouldn't? Walter Jones would be unreal at RT! If you watch so many games then you should know that a RT has fewer responsibilities and more help. You should know that defenses usually line their best pass rushing DE at RE to rush the blind side. A LT has to square off with the other teams best edge rushers every week. Brown starts at LT because we NEED him there. I'm sure the coaches would love to put Brown at RT and let him maul in the running game. If Strief was a better LT than Brown then he would be our starting LT, but he's not and I don't even think it's close. Above average LT, I could agree with. Premiere or elite....HELL NO!!! Now...1st off, as I said earlier, LT is tougher than RT. Scroll back man. You'll see that I've already established that fact. As for watching the games....did you watch DeMarcus Ware treat Brown like his personal biyatch consistently? Or how about Julius Peppers? Did you see him blow by Brown consistently? I sure did. I also saw a supposed Pro Bowler consistently average more penalties than anyone else on our line for years now (including Evans in his rookie season). How many times have I heard "False Start #70" or "Holding #70" on the loudspeaker in the dome? Brown was an All American. Great! Strief was a 1st team All American & 3-time 1st team All Big TEN OT. I believe that trumps Brown's college career, but that wasn't my point. My point was that everyone is deemed unproven until they actually start for a season. Now... add all of this to the fact that I saw Strief man-handle two top flight DE's while manning the LT position in Brown's absence, one of which was Julius Peppers (the same guy who consistently beat Brown). Do you know how many sacks Peppers had? 0. How about tackles behind the line? 0. This is just one example. I hate to say this....but if you don't think it's close, we're not watching the same games. I'll also say this....if you really think he deserved that Pro Bowl invite when no one else on that line went, you're out of your mind! Like I said before....he rode the coattails of a winning season into that Pro Bowl. By the way....a RT does not have any less reponsibilty or more help. He still has a job to do as well. It just so happens that the better DE's are usually lining up against the LT to attack from the blind side.
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05-03-2008, 07:11 PM	#7
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad....not just brown...and he looked no worse than the rest of the NFC against those 2....no doubt Brown would make a great RT....and i would love for him to be there because that would mean we have a pure beast at LT...strief isnt that guy lol....i actually went back and looked at some films of him from last year...and the only thing i saw was brown making the blocks...keeping his head on a swivel....choppin his feet....and kicking the horse @#%$ outta the ends he went against....maybe i missed something
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05-03-2008, 07:39 PM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend Ware and peppers consistently make everybody look bad.... There you just found the standard for the LT position. now can Bushrod be that man? we will find out this year. same goes for Andy. Those two will be on the field. So the test for 2009 starts now

05-03-2008, 05:09 PM	#9
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? Originally Posted by CantonLegend Walter Payton in my mind is the best running back of all time Agreed. wonder if we could still get some DNA and clone him? I could wait 22 years. SWEETNESS