86-man Minicamp Depth Chart

jewagr007 · 05-07-2008, 02:48 PM

I agree with most of it cajunasian61....except a couple of things.

What is all the hate on Bullocks....was anyone screaming YOU SUCK 2 years ago when we where all but tasting the SB. Bullocks, like everyone else in our secondary is a product of a really bad secondary. QB's are groomed and started for their ability to find the holes in a secondary...and we had a bunch. The whole defensive unit is at fault for last year....not Bullocks. As far as J. David goes....bad decision to pick him up but not because he is a bad corner, but because he is in the wrong system. He is a zone cover corner and I knew he would be horrible in our system.

I do not think that we will cut the rookie kicker. If we do then it will be called the worst draft pick ever in my opinion. Why waste that pick on a kicker if you do not know he can make the team. WR, Safety or maybe in a stretch OL but not a kicker. 4-6th rounds is normally when kickers start going off the board so I would hope that we did not gamble a 6th on a kicker if we wheren't for sure he could kick.

Also although K. Houser is a great LS...it is all he does. Look for the coaching staff to try to find a dual role guy to fill that spot if possible. With all the talent on the field they will try to free up that roster spot with either a 3rd QB or CB/WR....Arrington maybe...we'll see.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-07-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by jewagr007

I agree with most of it cajunasian61....except a couple of things.

What is all the hate on Bullocks....was anyone screaming YOU SUCK 2 years ago when we where all but tasting the SB. Bullocks, like everyone else in our secondary is a product of a really bad secondary.

I believe I did. Look up 'Ed McMahon' using the search and I'm sure you'll find references to the safeties never being anywhere near the play.

SFIAH

cajunasian61 · 05-07-2008, 04:55 PM

Like I said in my earlier post. I NEVER liked Josh Bullocks. He sucked when we were good and he sucked when we were bad. He is the WORST player on our roster in my opinion. He cannot catch consistently, so he cannot be a significant playmaker. He's a liability agianst the run because he does not tackle well and takes poor angles. For a guy that is supposedly so fast he always seems to be late in pass coverage. Is it only me that thought that KK was SOOO much better when he got the start during Bullocks injury last year? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Bullocks is not a product of a bad defense. The bad defense is a product of Bullocks. Piece of F^&&*&*% S%@#. I will argue this until I die.

saintsrule · 05-08-2008, 05:40 PM

I like that roster. But I think they may keep the LBer who was drafted in the 7th round last year, and maybe cut the CB Glenn. That would keep 6 LBers and 6 CBs. That is just my thought, I don't know what is best to do.

jewagr007 · 05-08-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by cajunasian61

Like I said in my earlier post. I NEVER liked Josh Bullocks. He sucked when we were good and he sucked when we were bad. He is the WORST player on our roster in my opinion. He cannot catch consistently, so he cannot be a significant playmaker. He's a liability agianst the run because he does not tackle well and takes poor angles. For a guy that is supposedly so fast he always seems to be late in pass coverage. Is it only me that thought that KK was SOOO much better when he got the start during Bullocks injury last year? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Bullocks is not a product of a bad defense. The bad defense is a product of Bullocks. Piece of F^&&*&*% S%@#. I will argue this until I die.

If he is sooo bad at coverage as you claim.....can you explain why over 80% of deep routes thrown on us last year where on the FS side of the field? One man does not make a defense bad. It does leave a hole...but this is not tennis.

P.S. If DB's could catch....they would be on offense!

hagan714 · 05-09-2008, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by jewagr007

If he is sooo bad at coverage as you claim.....can you explain why over 80% of deep routes thrown on us last year where on the FS side of the field? One man does not make a defense bad. It does leave a hole...but this is not tennis.

P.S. If DB's could catch....they would be on offense!

Ahh excuse me here, I hate to get in the middle of two men

at each other and doing it rather politely I might add.

But That last comment was just not fair.

You just dropped your guard and left yourself wide open here.

Confused

I will give you a hint.

The starting FS for the Saints is a guy whose name does not end with Harper.

Just thought I would warn you that a sucker punch is coming.

Other than that this has been a pretty good one. I will go back to watching now

JKool · 05-09-2008, 09:27 AM

I was wondering if someone was going to notice that.

Of course, one might add that it was David on that side of the field. That might, at least, make it tough(er) to call.

jewagr007 · 05-09-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Ahh excuse me here, I hate to get in the middle of two men at each other and doing it rather politely I might add.

But That last comment was just not fair.

You just dropped your guard and left yourself wide open here.

Confused

I will give you a hint.

The starting FS for the Saints is a guy whose name does not end with Harper.

Just thought I would warn you that a sucker punch is coming.

Other than that this has been a pretty good one. I will go back to watching now

The point was that the deep balls where trown "on" the FS "side" of the field (ie. the left) not on the FS and if you look at the film...almost never against Bullocks.

pakowitz · 05-09-2008, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by jewagr007

The point was that the deep balls where trown "on" the FS "side" of the field (ie. the left) not on the FS and if you look at the film...almost never against Bullocks.

thats b/c bullocks was biting on playaction and completly out of position...

jewagr007 · 05-09-2008, 04:22 PM

Bullocks plays behind MM on the right side of the field. He is never responsable for deep balls down the left sideline. Not in cover 3, not in cover 2 not even in m2m. In cover 1 maybe as over the top help but only during a blitz package that puts Harper on a blitz or maned up against a RB/TE. And as far as our safeties biting on play action....it happens...exspecialy against teams who can't stop the run without safety help..i.e. us.

05-07-2008, 02:48 PM	#41
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart I agree with most of it cajunasian61....except a couple of things. What is all the hate on Bullocks....was anyone screaming YOU SUCK 2 years ago when we where all but tasting the SB. Bullocks, like everyone else in our secondary is a product of a really bad secondary. QB's are groomed and started for their ability to find the holes in a secondary...and we had a bunch. The whole defensive unit is at fault for last year....not Bullocks. As far as J. David goes....bad decision to pick him up but not because he is a bad corner, but because he is in the wrong system. He is a zone cover corner and I knew he would be horrible in our system. I do not think that we will cut the rookie kicker. If we do then it will be called the worst draft pick ever in my opinion. Why waste that pick on a kicker if you do not know he can make the team. WR, Safety or maybe in a stretch OL but not a kicker. 4-6th rounds is normally when kickers start going off the board so I would hope that we did not gamble a 6th on a kicker if we wheren't for sure he could kick. Also although K. Houser is a great LS...it is all he does. Look for the coaching staff to try to find a dual role guy to fill that spot if possible. With all the talent on the field they will try to free up that roster spot with either a 3rd QB or CB/WR....Arrington maybe...we'll see.

05-07-2008, 02:56 PM	#42
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart Originally Posted by jewagr007 I agree with most of it cajunasian61....except a couple of things. What is all the hate on Bullocks....was anyone screaming YOU SUCK 2 years ago when we where all but tasting the SB. Bullocks, like everyone else in our secondary is a product of a really bad secondary. I believe I did. Look up 'Ed McMahon' using the search and I'm sure you'll find references to the safeties never being anywhere near the play. SFIAH

05-07-2008, 04:55 PM	#43
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart Like I said in my earlier post. I NEVER liked Josh Bullocks. He sucked when we were good and he sucked when we were bad. He is the WORST player on our roster in my opinion. He cannot catch consistently, so he cannot be a significant playmaker. He's a liability agianst the run because he does not tackle well and takes poor angles. For a guy that is supposedly so fast he always seems to be late in pass coverage. Is it only me that thought that KK was SOOO much better when he got the start during Bullocks injury last year? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Bullocks is not a product of a bad defense. The bad defense is a product of Bullocks. Piece of F^&&&% S%@#. I will argue this until I die.

05-08-2008, 05:40 PM	#44
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart I like that roster. But I think they may keep the LBer who was drafted in the 7th round last year, and maybe cut the CB Glenn. That would keep 6 LBers and 6 CBs. That is just my thought, I don't know what is best to do.
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05-08-2008, 09:04 PM	#45
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart Originally Posted by cajunasian61 Like I said in my earlier post. I NEVER liked Josh Bullocks. He sucked when we were good and he sucked when we were bad. He is the WORST player on our roster in my opinion. He cannot catch consistently, so he cannot be a significant playmaker. He's a liability agianst the run because he does not tackle well and takes poor angles. For a guy that is supposedly so fast he always seems to be late in pass coverage. Is it only me that thought that KK was SOOO much better when he got the start during Bullocks injury last year? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Bullocks is not a product of a bad defense. The bad defense is a product of Bullocks. Piece of F^&&&% S%@#. I will argue this until I die. If he is sooo bad at coverage as you claim.....can you explain why over 80% of deep routes thrown on us last year where on the FS side of the field? One man does not make a defense bad. It does leave a hole...but this is not tennis. P.S. If DB's could catch....they would be on offense!

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05-09-2008, 06:22 AM	#46
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart Originally Posted by jewagr007 If he is sooo bad at coverage as you claim.....can you explain why over 80% of deep routes thrown on us last year where on the FS side of the field? One man does not make a defense bad. It does leave a hole...but this is not tennis. P.S. If DB's could catch....they would be on offense! Ahh excuse me here, I hate to get in the middle of two men at each other and doing it rather politely I might add. But That last comment was just not fair. You just dropped your guard and left yourself wide open here. Confused I will give you a hint. The starting FS for the Saints is a guy whose name does not end with Harper. Just thought I would warn you that a sucker punch is coming. Other than that this has been a pretty good one. I will go back to watching now
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05-09-2008, 09:27 AM	#47
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart I was wondering if someone was going to notice that. Of course, one might add that it was David on that side of the field. That might, at least, make it tough(er) to call.

05-09-2008, 02:38 PM	#48
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart Originally Posted by hagan714 Ahh excuse me here, I hate to get in the middle of two men at each other and doing it rather politely I might add. But That last comment was just not fair. You just dropped your guard and left yourself wide open here. Confused I will give you a hint. The starting FS for the Saints is a guy whose name does not end with Harper. Just thought I would warn you that a sucker punch is coming. Other than that this has been a pretty good one. I will go back to watching now The point was that the deep balls where trown "on" the FS "side" of the field (ie. the left) not on the FS and if you look at the film...almost never against Bullocks.

05-09-2008, 03:45 PM	#49
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart Originally Posted by jewagr007 The point was that the deep balls where trown "on" the FS "side" of the field (ie. the left) not on the FS and if you look at the film...almost never against Bullocks. thats b/c bullocks was biting on playaction and completly out of position...

05-09-2008, 04:22 PM	#50
jewagr007 Rookie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 27	Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart Bullocks plays behind MM on the right side of the field. He is never responsable for deep balls down the left sideline. Not in cover 3, not in cover 2 not even in m2m. In cover 1 maybe as over the top help but only during a blitz package that puts Harper on a blitz or maned up against a RB/TE. And as far as our safeties biting on play action....it happens...exspecialy against teams who can't stop the run without safety help..i.e. us.