Jeremy Shockey

saintsfan1976 · 05-11-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we don't need to bring in another TE I just don't want it to be Shockey. I think this team has done alot better as a group the last 2 seasons without having to worry about Shockey's antics. Everyone also has to admit that Shockey is a big injury risk and we already are relying on one big injury risk in Deuce.

Signing Shockey has huge upside but the downside is somewhere I don't want to go.

Why does he want to get out of New York again? He wasn't receiving enough ball time, oh yeah that's right he was on the bench for the Superbowl run last year. Now what's the problem again?

I think you represent both sides of the argument over the last 4,000 pages of this thread Cher, but I think that Shockey is right now where Randy Moss was a few years ago - Looking for a QB that he believes in. Look at Randy's attitude and stats once he hooked up with Brady. The Randy of old!!

I believe that Shockey is looking for the same leadership in Payton and Brees. Why couldn't he come in and be happy? Sure...many disagree here. But was Eli considered anywhere near Brady or even Brees's level until AFTER the Superbowl???

papz · 05-11-2008, 11:31 AM

Not even... he's still not on the level of Brady or Brees in terms of production. He's still grouped in the second tier of starting quarterbacks... he just happened to win a Superbowl.

CantonLegend · 05-11-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Not even... he's still not on the level of Brady or Brees in terms of production. He's still grouped in the second tier of starting quarterbacks... he just happened to win a Superbowl.

agreed.....brees is one of the top 5 qbs in the league right now and even tho eli proved he had a lot of heart in the super bowl...it doesnt make him ne more accurate or ne smarter....he will continue to get better...dont forget he was the number 1 overall pick so he has the potential....but brees is undoubtedly a better QB right now and adding shockey to his already ridiculous arsenal would mean more points....more T.O.P.(time of possession) and more consistency in the tight end position....i dont think we will land him ne more....i would like to see him in black and gold tho

Euphoria · 05-11-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

agreed.....brees is one of the top 5 qbs in the league right now and even tho eli proved he had a lot of heart in the super bowl...it doesnt make him ne more accurate or ne smarter....he will continue to get better...dont forget he was the number 1 overall pick so he has the potential....but brees is undoubtedly a better QB right now and adding shockey to his already ridiculous arsenal would mean more points....more T.O.P.(time of possession) and more consistency in the tight end position....i dont think we will land him ne more....i would like to see him in black and gold tho

Don't care about more points unless its to stop the other team from scoring points.

davegriff · 05-11-2008, 11:03 PM

Sorry had to post this.........Has anyone seen it yet. Seems the rumors are swirling again. 2009 first rounder, and 4th rounder that could turn into a 2nd rounder. If they are pursuing this issue this hard, I look for it to get done by June. But then again that is what everyone said before the draft. Here is the link.

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Team Report

hagan714 · 05-11-2008, 11:40 AM

I am so close to using my mod powers here and kill this grrrrrrrrrrrr Only kidding LOL
he is not a saint and will not be one unless the price drops a lot. I am saying he never becomes one.

CheramieIII · 05-11-2008, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I am so close to using my mod powers here and kill this grrrrrrrrrrrr Only kidding LOL
he is not a saint and will not be one unless the price drops a lot. I am saying he never becomes one.

Kill it Hagan, die you ugly beast die

pakowitz · 05-11-2008, 11:33 PM

havent seen that one.. but thanks for the post dave

heres a few things from the article:

"It almost went down on draft day," said one observer close to one of the two teams, "but the Giants wouldn't budge on Harper and the Saints wouldn't give him up. So they just decided to put it off."

"(Head coach) Sean Payton wants him (Shockey) for this season," he says, "so what they are trying to do, as I understand it, is to work out the details of a deal."

The trade being discussed would involve the Saints' first-round pick for 2009, plus a fourth-round choice that could escalate to a second if he has one of those super seasons, like 70 catches, 800 yards and half a dozen touchdowns

pakowitz · 05-11-2008, 11:36 PM

now i dont know how they could trade out 2009 4th round pick away considering its being used in the vilma deal.. but.. i dunno.. im pretty sure they have ways around that type of thing

hagan714 · 05-12-2008, 05:32 AM

Pak the vilma deal works like this.
2008 we gave a 4th
2009 we give a 2nd or 3rd depending on playing time and contract signing.

2009A: Vilma is in pro bowl form and sign a long term deal. we are dancing the stands. 100+ tackle LB is in B&G again.
It is a 2nd we give and we get the NYJ's 4th rounder in return. Vilma costs a 2nd straight up.
OR
2009 B: We are still not sure if he can return to pro bowl form or he wants out of NO. We are still sitting and wondering what the heck happened and the beer tastes salty from our tears. Waite till next year.
It is a third we give and we get nothing. Vilma costs a 3rd and a 4th.

Now looking at that deal how in the world do you expect me to swallow this crap about the shockey deal? A 2nd straight up? Injury history alone and poor locker room presence? Come on.

Tell you what if it is a second I will have to leave my usual passive stance about players and really demand something from him. I will lead the lynch mob to airline hwy and start there. I will also put some crow in the freezer just incase.

05-11-2008, 11:02 AM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jeremy Shockey Originally Posted by CheramieIII Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we don't need to bring in another TE I just don't want it to be Shockey. I think this team has done alot better as a group the last 2 seasons without having to worry about Shockey's antics. Everyone also has to admit that Shockey is a big injury risk and we already are relying on one big injury risk in Deuce. Signing Shockey has huge upside but the downside is somewhere I don't want to go. Why does he want to get out of New York again? He wasn't receiving enough ball time, oh yeah that's right he was on the bench for the Superbowl run last year. Now what's the problem again? I think you represent both sides of the argument over the last 4,000 pages of this thread Cher, but I think that Shockey is right now where Randy Moss was a few years ago - Looking for a QB that he believes in. Look at Randy's attitude and stats once he hooked up with Brady. The Randy of old!! I believe that Shockey is looking for the same leadership in Payton and Brees. Why couldn't he come in and be happy? Sure...many disagree here. But was Eli considered anywhere near Brady or even Brees's level until AFTER the Superbowl???

05-11-2008, 11:31 AM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Jeremy Shockey Not even... he's still not on the level of Brady or Brees in terms of production. He's still grouped in the second tier of starting quarterbacks... he just happened to win a Superbowl.

05-11-2008, 11:38 AM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jeremy Shockey Originally Posted by papz Not even... he's still not on the level of Brady or Brees in terms of production. He's still grouped in the second tier of starting quarterbacks... he just happened to win a Superbowl. agreed.....brees is one of the top 5 qbs in the league right now and even tho eli proved he had a lot of heart in the super bowl...it doesnt make him ne more accurate or ne smarter....he will continue to get better...dont forget he was the number 1 overall pick so he has the potential....but brees is undoubtedly a better QB right now and adding shockey to his already ridiculous arsenal would mean more points....more T.O.P.(time of possession) and more consistency in the tight end position....i dont think we will land him ne more....i would like to see him in black and gold tho
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

05-11-2008, 07:01 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jeremy Shockey Originally Posted by CantonLegend agreed.....brees is one of the top 5 qbs in the league right now and even tho eli proved he had a lot of heart in the super bowl...it doesnt make him ne more accurate or ne smarter....he will continue to get better...dont forget he was the number 1 overall pick so he has the potential....but brees is undoubtedly a better QB right now and adding shockey to his already ridiculous arsenal would mean more points....more T.O.P.(time of possession) and more consistency in the tight end position....i dont think we will land him ne more....i would like to see him in black and gold tho Don't care about more points unless its to stop the other team from scoring points.

05-11-2008, 11:03 PM	#5
davegriff Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Morning Sun,Ia Posts: 45	Re: Jeremy Shockey Sorry had to post this.........Has anyone seen it yet. Seems the rumors are swirling again. 2009 first rounder, and 4th rounder that could turn into a 2nd rounder. If they are pursuing this issue this hard, I look for it to get done by June. But then again that is what everyone said before the draft. Here is the link. FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Team Report

05-11-2008, 11:40 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jeremy Shockey I am so close to using my mod powers here and kill this grrrrrrrrrrrr Only kidding LOL he is not a saint and will not be one unless the price drops a lot. I am saying he never becomes one.

05-11-2008, 06:36 PM	#7
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,490 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jeremy Shockey Originally Posted by hagan714 I am so close to using my mod powers here and kill this grrrrrrrrrrrr Only kidding LOL he is not a saint and will not be one unless the price drops a lot. I am saying he never becomes one. Kill it Hagan, die you ugly beast die

05-11-2008, 11:33 PM	#8
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Jeremy Shockey havent seen that one.. but thanks for the post dave heres a few things from the article: "It almost went down on draft day," said one observer close to one of the two teams, "but the Giants wouldn't budge on Harper and the Saints wouldn't give him up. So they just decided to put it off." "(Head coach) Sean Payton wants him (Shockey) for this season," he says, "so what they are trying to do, as I understand it, is to work out the details of a deal." The trade being discussed would involve the Saints' first-round pick for 2009, plus a fourth-round choice that could escalate to a second if he has one of those super seasons, like 70 catches, 800 yards and half a dozen touchdowns

05-11-2008, 11:36 PM	#9
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Jeremy Shockey now i dont know how they could trade out 2009 4th round pick away considering its being used in the vilma deal.. but.. i dunno.. im pretty sure they have ways around that type of thing

05-12-2008, 05:32 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jeremy Shockey Pak the vilma deal works like this. 2008 we gave a 4th 2009 we give a 2nd or 3rd depending on playing time and contract signing. 2009A: Vilma is in pro bowl form and sign a long term deal. we are dancing the stands. 100+ tackle LB is in B&G again. It is a 2nd we give and we get the NYJ's 4th rounder in return. Vilma costs a 2nd straight up. OR 2009 B: We are still not sure if he can return to pro bowl form or he wants out of NO. We are still sitting and wondering what the heck happened and the beer tastes salty from our tears. Waite till next year. It is a third we give and we get nothing. Vilma costs a 3rd and a 4th. Now looking at that deal how in the world do you expect me to swallow this crap about the shockey deal? A 2nd straight up? Injury history alone and poor locker room presence? Come on. Tell you what if it is a second I will have to leave my usual passive stance about players and really demand something from him. I will lead the lynch mob to airline hwy and start there. I will also put some crow in the freezer just incase.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

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