TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

CantonLegend · 05-19-2008, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by praglen

McKenzie, by the way, is according to all reports, doing great and is expected to be back by Game 1

REALLY?.......where did u hear that....all ive heard from several sources is he'll be back mid-season....if that is true then that makes our defense even better....mike is a great DB in our system....he helps out our safeties a lot with his man coverage ability

CantonLegend · 05-19-2008, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

in 06, we had deuce who came off of surgery just like this year and had one of the better years in his career, reggie.. who was a rookie in 06 and is now poised for a breakout year.. and stecker, who was a descent back up then and still is... and now we also have a good young player in PT..

stecker has always been a great backup...never a quality starter but arguable the best backup in the league...PT is just a younger version of the best backup in the league lol...thats a good tandum there in itself

i think you are undervaluing the presence of reggie.. he takes alot of heat off of the other guys just b/c of the gameplans that defenses put up just to stop him.. and if you think that they arent.. then you are sorely mistaken...

he needs a spy on him every single play....by spy i mean man coverage from a LB, S, CB etc.....he needs someone covering him specifically every play or he will single handidly beat u....yes he is that much of a threat

TE, which hasnt been a threat in N.O. for years wasnt really a factor in 06.. we still had the #1 offense in the league.. and in 07, we had the #5 offense.. even with an upgraded TE position from 06...

while i think upgrading the TE spot with a shockey talent....not necessarily him but a receiving TE would greatly help our team....its not really necessary as Pak has pointed out....we dont need a better TE because even back with Ernie Conwell we didnt have a great TE but he was good enough to play and catch when we needed him to

DB has been improved.. 06 we had fred thomas who was horrible and jay bellamy who was also horrible.... last year we had JD who was also horrible but had been playing in a zone heavy defense for the previous 4 years... i look JD to have a much better year, Harper has taken over for bellamy and has improved the play at the SS position...the addition of Gay will improve the depth at CB and McKenzie is coming off his best year as a DB and should be back to full form by the start of the season.. T. Porter an U. Young should both improve this year and will be fighting for a starting job either next year of the year after...

agreed....i think jason david had a lot of balls over his head because he had played in cover 2 for so long.....in cover 2 u have help from safeties and can cheat up on passes....he was used to having safety help which isnt always the case in our defense....now that he is more used to our defense and our requirements at the position i am sure he will step his game up....we didnt bring him in cuz he was bad....he just didnt understand what he needed to do

in addition to that... i think you are lookin at the wrong area of problems.. id say our biggest problem areas in 07 were DT, LB and CB and Oline..

not necessarily in that order but yes...exactly

we have improved the oline..

by bringing in who? lol...one of the only disagreements i have with this....we lost faine who was a good center and a good enough blocker in the middle to anchor the line....i liked faine but who did we bring in to replace him?..nobody lol...maybe lehr but it looks like hes goin to compete at LG....i dont think goodwin is a sizeable replacement and i hope alex mack stays healthy and falls to us in the draft next year....ne way...i think C is the only line position we need right now cuz of all the depth and youth at G and T

gotten a probowl MLB.. drafted a runstuffing penetrating DT who will take pressure off of w. smith and c. grant.. signed depth at LB and DE which will help our guys from getting worn out... we have signed several CBs which give us depth at the position...

our D is much improved...no arguing with that...all the defensive positions minus the S has been upgraded...and Payton likes our safeties as i've stated before..our D will be head above last years D

id say our biggest problem in 08, is adding a better backup qb and finding another reciever to compliment colston...

i think brunell is a sizeable backup...not too many teams have the depth at QB that we do....they dont have 2 starting caliber QBs.....brunell is no doubt past his prime but he isnt completely lost either....i think he has enough in his tank for a good backup season this year and next....as far as receivers go....meachem will play this year and show y we drafted him in the first round last year....im impressed when i watch his college games on film unlike arrington....i like meachem at WR this year opposite colston and patten in the slot....he played great at wideout last year and moving him to the slot will only make him that much better

praglen · 05-19-2008, 10:53 AM

It was meachem in a wwl interview. He said that he is working out with MM in memphis and that MM was already working on his backpedal.

I recall Payton talked about his progress, too, in a recent interview. I'll track that down...

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

REALLY?.......where did u hear that....all ive heard from several sources is he'll be back mid-season....if that is true then that makes our defense even better....mike is a great DB in our system....he helps out our safeties a lot with his man coverage ability

praglen · 05-20-2008, 09:11 AM

In addition to the Meachem observation, here is SI's Jim Trotter:

Posted: Wednesday May 14, 2008 1:09PM; Updated: Wednesday May 14, 2008 2:54PM
Jim Trotter > INSIDE THE NFL...

It would be tough to say anyone played well in passing situations considering opponents burned the Saints for 54 plays of 20 or more yards, a league high. New Orleans also surrendered 15 pass plays of 40 yards or longer, tying Baltimore for the league high.

A key could be whether McKenzie returns to form after tearing an ACL in December. Loomis says the medical reports have been good and McKenzie is expected to be full-go by training camp

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

REALLY?.......where did u hear that....all ive heard from several sources is he'll be back mid-season....if that is true then that makes our defense even better....mike is a great DB in our system....he helps out our safeties a lot with his man coverage ability

05-19-2008, 02:36 AM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints Originally Posted by pakowitz in 06, we had deuce who came off of surgery just like this year and had one of the better years in his career, reggie.. who was a rookie in 06 and is now poised for a breakout year.. and stecker, who was a descent back up then and still is... and now we also have a good young player in PT.. stecker has always been a great backup...never a quality starter but arguable the best backup in the league...PT is just a younger version of the best backup in the league lol...thats a good tandum there in itself i think you are undervaluing the presence of reggie.. he takes alot of heat off of the other guys just b/c of the gameplans that defenses put up just to stop him.. and if you think that they arent.. then you are sorely mistaken... he needs a spy on him every single play....by spy i mean man coverage from a LB, S, CB etc.....he needs someone covering him specifically every play or he will single handidly beat u....yes he is that much of a threat TE, which hasnt been a threat in N.O. for years wasnt really a factor in 06.. we still had the #1 offense in the league.. and in 07, we had the #5 offense.. even with an upgraded TE position from 06... while i think upgrading the TE spot with a shockey talent....not necessarily him but a receiving TE would greatly help our team....its not really necessary as Pak has pointed out....we dont need a better TE because even back with Ernie Conwell we didnt have a great TE but he was good enough to play and catch when we needed him to DB has been improved.. 06 we had fred thomas who was horrible and jay bellamy who was also horrible.... last year we had JD who was also horrible but had been playing in a zone heavy defense for the previous 4 years... i look JD to have a much better year, Harper has taken over for bellamy and has improved the play at the SS position...the addition of Gay will improve the depth at CB and McKenzie is coming off his best year as a DB and should be back to full form by the start of the season.. T. Porter an U. Young should both improve this year and will be fighting for a starting job either next year of the year after... agreed....i think jason david had a lot of balls over his head because he had played in cover 2 for so long.....in cover 2 u have help from safeties and can cheat up on passes....he was used to having safety help which isnt always the case in our defense....now that he is more used to our defense and our requirements at the position i am sure he will step his game up....we didnt bring him in cuz he was bad....he just didnt understand what he needed to do in addition to that... i think you are lookin at the wrong area of problems.. id say our biggest problem areas in 07 were DT, LB and CB and Oline.. not necessarily in that order but yes...exactly we have improved the oline.. by bringing in who? lol...one of the only disagreements i have with this....we lost faine who was a good center and a good enough blocker in the middle to anchor the line....i liked faine but who did we bring in to replace him?..nobody lol...maybe lehr but it looks like hes goin to compete at LG....i dont think goodwin is a sizeable replacement and i hope alex mack stays healthy and falls to us in the draft next year....ne way...i think C is the only line position we need right now cuz of all the depth and youth at G and T gotten a probowl MLB.. drafted a runstuffing penetrating DT who will take pressure off of w. smith and c. grant.. signed depth at LB and DE which will help our guys from getting worn out... we have signed several CBs which give us depth at the position... our D is much improved...no arguing with that...all the defensive positions minus the S has been upgraded...and Payton likes our safeties as i've stated before..our D will be head above last years D id say our biggest problem in 08, is adding a better backup qb and finding another reciever to compliment colston... i think brunell is a sizeable backup...not too many teams have the depth at QB that we do....they dont have 2 starting caliber QBs.....brunell is no doubt past his prime but he isnt completely lost either....i think he has enough in his tank for a good backup season this year and next....as far as receivers go....meachem will play this year and show y we drafted him in the first round last year....im impressed when i watch his college games on film unlike arrington....i like meachem at WR this year opposite colston and patten in the slot....he played great at wideout last year and moving him to the slot will only make him that much better
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05-19-2008, 10:53 AM	#3
praglen Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5	Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints It was meachem in a wwl interview. He said that he is working out with MM in memphis and that MM was already working on his backpedal. I recall Payton talked about his progress, too, in a recent interview. I'll track that down... Originally Posted by CantonLegend REALLY?.......where did u hear that....all ive heard from several sources is he'll be back mid-season....if that is true then that makes our defense even better....mike is a great DB in our system....he helps out our safeties a lot with his man coverage ability
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05-20-2008, 09:11 AM	#4
praglen Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5	Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints In addition to the Meachem observation, here is SI's Jim Trotter: Posted: Wednesday May 14, 2008 1:09PM; Updated: Wednesday May 14, 2008 2:54PM Jim Trotter > INSIDE THE NFL... It would be tough to say anyone played well in passing situations considering opponents burned the Saints for 54 plays of 20 or more yards, a league high. New Orleans also surrendered 15 pass plays of 40 yards or longer, tying Baltimore for the league high. A key could be whether McKenzie returns to form after tearing an ACL in December. Loomis says the medical reports have been good and McKenzie is expected to be full-go by training camp Originally Posted by CantonLegend REALLY?.......where did u hear that....all ive heard from several sources is he'll be back mid-season....if that is true then that makes our defense even better....mike is a great DB in our system....he helps out our safeties a lot with his man coverage ability
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05-19-2008, 02:34 AM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints Originally Posted by praglen McKenzie, by the way, is according to all reports, doing great and is expected to be back by Game 1 REALLY?.......where did u hear that....all ive heard from several sources is he'll be back mid-season....if that is true then that makes our defense even better....mike is a great DB in our system....he helps out our safeties a lot with his man coverage ability