A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today.

leilung · 11-15-2009, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Perspective...

We are 9-0...

How would you like to be a Browns, Bucs, Rams, or even, ****, a Raiders fan right now?!?

They've played down to the talent and haven't tapped the playbook as much (not showing their hand) and they're still winning games...

Stop the Post Season and Perfect season talk and just like the players are told...take one game at a time and enjoy each victory that only half the teams in the league get to enjoy each week...

Read some of the pisser comments on the Falcons website a few weeks ago...let's be better than that is all I'm saying...

Finally, a voice of reason. I'm reading way too much panic management from the faithful on the boards. McKenzie? There's a reason they didn't bring him back. The guy couldn't cover man with a blanket because he's lost way too much foot speed. Hell, bring back David while you're at it!

My take is that the team just has to do a better job of taking care of the ball. Period. Turnovers are killing us. I also see Drew's timing/comfort being off, for want of a better term. His poise in the pocket is definitely weak. While I wish Porter the best, other teams are still putting together strong performances with loads of injuries to their ranks (Colts come to mind.).

Bottom line: Concern yes, panic no. Let the coaches adjust the schemes and lets see if some back up players to 'kick it up, another notch'!

Sir Psycho Sexy · 11-15-2009, 09:43 PM

No need for panic, agreed. but you have to factor in the Vikings may very well go 15-1 or 14-2. Their only loss so far was to an AFC team. You don't want to play Min in Min. Also if the injury bug keeps biting here we may limp into the play-offs and get sent home quick.

CantonLegend · 11-15-2009, 09:55 PM

the time for worrying is now.....we need to get these problems fixed within the next 2 weeks because new england is right around the corner and we cant beat them if we play like this

i understand we have a lot of injuries right now but injuries are not giving up 115 rushing yards per game

we are getting exposed and it is a concern right now

one thing to mention is that teams like miami, carolina, atlanta, and st louis are very solid teams that have records completely indicative of their schedules

all of them have very tough schedules and their records are suffering because of it.....we also have a tough schedule but we are pulling wins out of our hats like good teams should

the only thing im disappointed in is that looking at games like this, that the colts have already played, its hard to group us with them

minnesota and indianoplis blew out the rams and we barely came out with a win

if we plan on playing with the elite, we need to get better fast......we arent going to get healthier as the season goes on.....the NFL doesnt work like that

Tobias-Reiper · 11-16-2009, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

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i understand we have a lot of injuries right now but injuries are not giving up 115 rushing yards per game

.. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball?

... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half.

stockman311 · 11-16-2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball?

... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half.

Completely Agree,

By the way we had over 200 yds rushing yesterday. No one will mention that on here Im sure.

CantonLegend · 11-16-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball?

... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half.

actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game

the panthers, falcons, dolphins, and rams should have beaten us and there isnt a single injury on our defense that you could've blamed it on

losing our stud DT and his fellow NT hurt us a lot.....but hargrove and ayodele have arguably outplayed clancy.....i wont say the same about ellis because he is one of my favorite players and its obvious why

our secondary injuries have nothing to do with what we are giving up in the running game.....our loss of fujita last couple games had nothin to do with our run defense the past games....fujita played his game and still didnt help our run defense

injuries hurt us......no doubt.....what i am saying is that we cant blame these issues on our injuries when there are bigger problems

the rams moved the ball at will against our defense and we only beat them because we are better.....truth be told....we got lucky the past couple weeks and we need to improve quickly

Tobias-Reiper · 11-16-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game

Oh, really?

Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No.
Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.

And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game?

CantonLegend · 11-16-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Oh, really?

Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No.
Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.

And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game?

you are missin my point completely and turning this into whatever argument you want it to be

it doesnt matter what they do in the 2nd half because they have effectively drained our defense by halftime

it is not our defense that wins these games....it is our offense.....we cant continue to play like that the next couple games because we will lose

QBREES9 · 11-15-2009, 10:06 PM

Relax a lot of football to be played. Those INT were not Drew's fault. One was tip. A good team would have beat the SAINTS, but we didn't play a good team.

Crack open a Mello Yello the Saints are 9 - 0

CantonLegend · 11-15-2009, 10:09 PM

11-15-2009, 08:32 PM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,426	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by jeanpierre Perspective... We are 9-0... How would you like to be a Browns, Bucs, Rams, or even, ****, a Raiders fan right now?!? They've played down to the talent and haven't tapped the playbook as much (not showing their hand) and they're still winning games... Stop the Post Season and Perfect season talk and just like the players are told...take one game at a time and enjoy each victory that only half the teams in the league get to enjoy each week... Read some of the pisser comments on the Falcons website a few weeks ago...let's be better than that is all I'm saying... Finally, a voice of reason. I'm reading way too much panic management from the faithful on the boards. McKenzie? There's a reason they didn't bring him back. The guy couldn't cover man with a blanket because he's lost way too much foot speed. Hell, bring back David while you're at it! My take is that the team just has to do a better job of taking care of the ball. Period. Turnovers are killing us. I also see Drew's timing/comfort being off, for want of a better term. His poise in the pocket is definitely weak. While I wish Porter the best, other teams are still putting together strong performances with loads of injuries to their ranks (Colts come to mind.). Bottom line: Concern yes, panic no. Let the coaches adjust the schemes and lets see if some back up players to 'kick it up, another notch'!
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11-15-2009, 09:43 PM	#2
Sir Psycho Sexy Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA - Behind enemy lines. Someone throw me a grenade!! Posts: 941	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. No need for panic, agreed. but you have to factor in the Vikings may very well go 15-1 or 14-2. Their only loss so far was to an AFC team. You don't want to play Min in Min. Also if the injury bug keeps biting here we may limp into the play-offs and get sent home quick.

11-15-2009, 09:55 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. the time for worrying is now.....we need to get these problems fixed within the next 2 weeks because new england is right around the corner and we cant beat them if we play like this i understand we have a lot of injuries right now but injuries are not giving up 115 rushing yards per game we are getting exposed and it is a concern right now one thing to mention is that teams like miami, carolina, atlanta, and st louis are very solid teams that have records completely indicative of their schedules all of them have very tough schedules and their records are suffering because of it.....we also have a tough schedule but we are pulling wins out of our hats like good teams should the only thing im disappointed in is that looking at games like this, that the colts have already played, its hard to group us with them minnesota and indianoplis blew out the rams and we barely came out with a win if we plan on playing with the elite, we need to get better fast......we arent going to get healthier as the season goes on.....the NFL doesnt work like that
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

11-16-2009, 01:26 PM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by CantonLegend t i understand we have a lot of injuries right now but injuries are not giving up 115 rushing yards per game .. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball? ... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half.
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11-16-2009, 01:36 PM	#5
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball? ... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half. Completely Agree, By the way we had over 200 yds rushing yesterday. No one will mention that on here Im sure.

11-16-2009, 02:19 PM	#6
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball? ... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half. actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game the panthers, falcons, dolphins, and rams should have beaten us and there isnt a single injury on our defense that you could've blamed it on losing our stud DT and his fellow NT hurt us a lot.....but hargrove and ayodele have arguably outplayed clancy.....i wont say the same about ellis because he is one of my favorite players and its obvious why our secondary injuries have nothing to do with what we are giving up in the running game.....our loss of fujita last couple games had nothin to do with our run defense the past games....fujita played his game and still didnt help our run defense injuries hurt us......no doubt.....what i am saying is that we cant blame these issues on our injuries when there are bigger problems the rams moved the ball at will against our defense and we only beat them because we are better.....truth be told....we got lucky the past couple weeks and we need to improve quickly
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

11-16-2009, 02:56 PM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by CantonLegend actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game Oh, really? Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No. Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game?

11-16-2009, 03:01 PM	#8
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Oh, really? Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No. Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game? you are missin my point completely and turning this into whatever argument you want it to be it doesnt matter what they do in the 2nd half because they have effectively drained our defense by halftime it is not our defense that wins these games....it is our offense.....we cant continue to play like that the next couple games because we will lose

11-15-2009, 10:06 PM	#9
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Relax a lot of football to be played. Those INT were not Drew's fault. One was tip. A good team would have beat the SAINTS, but we didn't play a good team. Crack open a Mello Yello the Saints are 9 - 0

11-15-2009, 10:09 PM	#10
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today.

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