A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today.

CantonLegend · 11-16-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball?

... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half.

actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game

the panthers, falcons, dolphins, and rams should have beaten us and there isnt a single injury on our defense that you could've blamed it on

losing our stud DT and his fellow NT hurt us a lot.....but hargrove and ayodele have arguably outplayed clancy.....i wont say the same about ellis because he is one of my favorite players and its obvious why

our secondary injuries have nothing to do with what we are giving up in the running game.....our loss of fujita last couple games had nothin to do with our run defense the past games....fujita played his game and still didnt help our run defense

injuries hurt us......no doubt.....what i am saying is that we cant blame these issues on our injuries when there are bigger problems

the rams moved the ball at will against our defense and we only beat them because we are better.....truth be told....we got lucky the past couple weeks and we need to improve quickly

Tobias-Reiper · 11-16-2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game

Oh, really?

Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No.
Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.

And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game?

CantonLegend · 11-16-2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Oh, really?

Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No.
Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.
Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No.

And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game?

you are missin my point completely and turning this into whatever argument you want it to be

it doesnt matter what they do in the 2nd half because they have effectively drained our defense by halftime

it is not our defense that wins these games....it is our offense.....we cant continue to play like that the next couple games because we will lose

Tobias-Reiper · 11-16-2009, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

you are missin my point completely and turning this into whatever argument you want it to be

it doesnt matter what they do in the 2nd half because they have effectively drained our defense by halftime

it is not our defense that wins these games....it is our offense.....we cant continue to play like that the next couple games because we will lose

You are kidding, right?

Let's do baby steps here and start with the Dolphins..

So the Dolphins are 24-10 up at half time, 27-17 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, 34-24 at the start of the 4th quarter, and as you say they are running the ball effectively the entire game. If that is true, with that lead that late, why would they abandon the run? Don't you want to eat the clock, maybe score at least a field goal or two?

CantonLegend · 11-16-2009, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

You are kidding, right?

Let's do baby steps here and start with the Dolphins..

So the Dolphins are 24-10 up at half time, 27-17 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, 34-24 at the start of the 4th quarter, and as you say they are running the ball effectively the entire game. If that is true, with that lead that late, why would they abandon the run? Don't you want to eat the clock, maybe score at least a field goal or two?

what do i have to say for you to understand what im saying? it doesnt matter what they are doing.....we cant stop them so we get down big and have to mount big comebacks that shouldnt have to happen in the first place

we cant afford to get down on teams that can compete with us in the 4th qtr

Tobias-Reiper · 11-16-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

what do i have to say for you to understand what im saying? it doesnt matter what they are doing.....we cant stop them so we get down big and have to mount big comebacks that shouldnt have to happen in the first place

we cant afford to get down on teams that can compete with us in the 4th qtr

I understand what you are saying. You just don't want to understand what I am saying. You stated the Saints are allowing 115 yds per game and that's a concern to you. I am telling you teams cannot against the Saints in the second half when the other teams need their running game the most to put the game away.

The Saints are not going down big early in the game because the defense can't stop the run. The Saints are going down early in the game because the offense keeps turning the ball over and the other team gets short fields.

skymike · 11-16-2009, 04:29 PM

11-16-2009, 02:19 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. so what you are saying is that if both Ellis and Clancy were there, teams still would be able to run the ball? ... racking up yards in the first half and inflating the stats is fine and dandy, but if you are a running team, you can't put away teams with your running game if you cannot run in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Unless the Panthers, Falcons, Dolphins, and Rams beat the Saints and I'm not aware of those losses, I don't think teams are running on the Saints when it counts, i.e., the second half. actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game the panthers, falcons, dolphins, and rams should have beaten us and there isnt a single injury on our defense that you could've blamed it on losing our stud DT and his fellow NT hurt us a lot.....but hargrove and ayodele have arguably outplayed clancy.....i wont say the same about ellis because he is one of my favorite players and its obvious why our secondary injuries have nothing to do with what we are giving up in the running game.....our loss of fujita last couple games had nothin to do with our run defense the past games....fujita played his game and still didnt help our run defense injuries hurt us......no doubt.....what i am saying is that we cant blame these issues on our injuries when there are bigger problems the rams moved the ball at will against our defense and we only beat them because we are better.....truth be told....we got lucky the past couple weeks and we need to improve quickly
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11-16-2009, 02:56 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by CantonLegend actually teams are doing great running against us in the entire game.....the difference is that teams get away from running the ball late in the game Oh, really? Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No. Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game?

11-16-2009, 03:01 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Oh, really? Did you see Jackson gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Turner gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter?No. Did you see Williams and Stewart gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. Did you see Brown and Williams gashing the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarter? No. And answer me this: why would a team who successfully runs the ball the entire game AND IS AHEAD in the scoreboard, why would that team abandon the run late in the game? you are missin my point completely and turning this into whatever argument you want it to be it doesnt matter what they do in the 2nd half because they have effectively drained our defense by halftime it is not our defense that wins these games....it is our offense.....we cant continue to play like that the next couple games because we will lose

11-16-2009, 03:32 PM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by CantonLegend you are missin my point completely and turning this into whatever argument you want it to be it doesnt matter what they do in the 2nd half because they have effectively drained our defense by halftime it is not our defense that wins these games....it is our offense.....we cant continue to play like that the next couple games because we will lose You are kidding, right? Let's do baby steps here and start with the Dolphins.. So the Dolphins are 24-10 up at half time, 27-17 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, 34-24 at the start of the 4th quarter, and as you say they are running the ball effectively the entire game. If that is true, with that lead that late, why would they abandon the run? Don't you want to eat the clock, maybe score at least a field goal or two?

11-16-2009, 03:47 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper You are kidding, right? Let's do baby steps here and start with the Dolphins.. So the Dolphins are 24-10 up at half time, 27-17 with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, 34-24 at the start of the 4th quarter, and as you say they are running the ball effectively the entire game. If that is true, with that lead that late, why would they abandon the run? Don't you want to eat the clock, maybe score at least a field goal or two? what do i have to say for you to understand what im saying? it doesnt matter what they are doing.....we cant stop them so we get down big and have to mount big comebacks that shouldnt have to happen in the first place we cant afford to get down on teams that can compete with us in the 4th qtr

11-16-2009, 04:22 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today. Originally Posted by CantonLegend what do i have to say for you to understand what im saying? it doesnt matter what they are doing.....we cant stop them so we get down big and have to mount big comebacks that shouldnt have to happen in the first place we cant afford to get down on teams that can compete with us in the 4th qtr I understand what you are saying. You just don't want to understand what I am saying. You stated the Saints are allowing 115 yds per game and that's a concern to you. I am telling you teams cannot against the Saints in the second half when the other teams need their running game the most to put the game away. The Saints are not going down big early in the game because the defense can't stop the run. The Saints are going down early in the game because the offense keeps turning the ball over and the other team gets short fields.
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11-16-2009, 04:29 PM	#7
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: A Good Team Would Have Beaten Us Today.