Cassady37

Just curious, how many TD\'s did our starters score during the WHOLE preseason? It\'s obviously not one man\'s fault, but DANG! McCarthy\'s supposed to be this offensive guru and this is all we can muster? I want Haslett\'s head on a platter, how many more games is it going to take to find out this coaching staff does not have what it takes to prepare this team to play? And I want even start with Venturi because that would be redundant. The offensive line did not do that bad in pass blocking, when you hold the ball for more than 8 seconds it\'s time to run or throw the dang thing out of bounds. Now the run blocking is another story, although Deuce did get over 90 yards do we want him to take a beating to get that yardage every game? We were a scoring monster most of the year last year, what\'s changed? Same QB, Same receivers with the exception of a very good TE. Most of the same line, same RB..... I think this time the collapse has started early and it all points in one direction....the coaching staff.

Saintsfan4ever

When I read tweeky`s post I never got the impression he was blaming the whole game on Brooks. But Brooks is the QB and doesn`t show, in my opinion, that leadership quality we need at the QB position. I have watched every play and every snap Brooks has ever taken for the Saints. I`m not pulling an opinion of Brooks out of my butt. I`ve seen his work and I don`t like him for our starter. I personally think O\' Sullivan would be much more effective than Brooks as a leader and a QB.
What is it that you Brooks lovers are seeing that I`m not? If we released Brooks is there any team in the NFL that would jump on him for their starter? I think not....
Brooks has been successful as a run threat QB. That was something new here. Guess what?...everybody knows now. Run threat QB`s don`t last long. Shall I list them?
*****I just hope that we don`t waste our entire season waiting on Brooks to be consistently good....cause it ain`t gonna happen.

Saint4

WhoDat

One other note about Brooks - everyone on this board that loves him keeps talking about giving him time and letting him develop... He started 5 games in \'00 and 16 in \'01 and \'02, plus he had a year in GB before he came to the Saints. That means he\'s had FIVE training camps, FIVE preseasons (three as THE starter), and as of Sunday 38 games as a regular season starter, plus 2 games in the playoffs. By week eight he\'ll be a FOURTH year starter who had time to sit and wait and develop behind Favre and Blake - two pretty decent QBs I\'d say. They\'ve brought in QB coaches for him, hall of famers, and even leadership experts. If this guy doesn\'t start playing like a star soon, he never will... at least not in a Saints uniform. Just like Haslett, it\'s put up or shut up time.

[Edited on 9/9/2003 by WhoDat]

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

saintfan

You\'re reaching again Whodat, and so are all the other people in this thread who simply cannot seem to get over the fact that Brooks is the starter. NOW you people are talkin\' about O\'Sullivan and \"BO-MAN\"? Are you serious? I can\'t help but to laugh at the shortsightedness that goes on in here sometimes. I\'d like to say I can\'t believe what I\'m hearing, but from certain posters it\'s nothing new. You guys hide behind statistics when it suits you and then toss \'em out the window when it doesn\'t. If you were Eagles fans you\'d be ready to get rid of McNab...after all he\'s never won a superbowl...you\'d be ready to fire the coach for the same reason, but you\'d completely ignore all the dropped passes and Lack of protection he got...or wait...maybe you\'d give Tampa\'s defense the credit and cut Donovan and the coach some slack. Afterall, it\'s Brooks you guys seem to have the vendeta against. Anyone else is given the benefit of the doubt. This thread is the proof. Brooks played as well as anyone on the team last Sunday...better than most...and stepped up to the plate afterwards and said the TEAM\'S play was unacceptable. He said the following:
\"Today we made it really, really hard on ourselves, and that’s what we can’t do. That’s something I won’t tolerate.\"
EVERY YEAR TEAMS BRING IN \"EXPERTS\" TO ASSIST AND ADVISE VARIOUS PLAYERS. WHY ATTEMPT TO LABLE BROOKS FOR SOMETHING THAT IS COMMONPLACE IN THE NFL?
I\'ll tell you why...because there\'s not much else to complain about. Whodat...what, sir, do you consider \"success\"? Maybe the Eagles should get rid of Mr. McNab. I\'m sure if you measured him on the same scale you measured Brooks\' performance from game one he\'d be on the bench for game two. Like I\'ve said MANY MANY MANY times before...it\'s a damn good thing some of you people don\'t really have a say in how the team is run.

C'mon Man...

BillyCarpenter1

Often when I read all the harsh words written about Aaron Brooks I wonder what he will have to do to get some respect from the Brook\'s bashers. Would leading the league in touchdown passes this year quieten the critics? I would have to say no, since he did that last year. How about throwing for close to 4,000 yards? Wrong again. He did that last year too. Maybe haveing a good TD to interception ratio? Nope! That\'s not gonna cut it either -- 27 TD\'s and 16ints got him no respect last year.

I know if we keep going -- the answer is out there -- on how Brooks can get some respect. Let\'s see...we have ruled out TD-passes, total passing yards, TD to interception ratio. Oh yeah, that leaves completion percentage! Aaron had a completion % of 54 last year. Could 6 percetage points be bringing all the bashing on? Surely not !! If not completion percentage then what? Leadership maybe?? That couldn\'t be it -- because they want to replace Aaron with QB\'s that have never really played in the NFL -- much less proved they are a leader.

Could it be the smiling? Yep -- needs to stop that to get some respect. Could it be that Haslett didn\'t pull Brooks when he got hurt last year and put Delhomme in? I\'d say so !! Could it be that they think Brooks is most responsible for not getting the Saints to the playoffs -- You Bet !!

But I\'d have to say that the biggest reason is they just BY GOD don\'t like Brooks. The only thing that will ever silence the critics is if he is damn near perfect !! But you know what? I don\'t believe that would cut it either.

daviddrake2

Saintfan and Billy,

Would you have said (or did you say) the same thing last year when a host of fans called for the late season benching of Brooks in favor of Delhomme? He seems to do a pretty good job in his first real shot at the pros.

Maybe that\'s what Brooks needs to get him going again -- some competition. It\'s only human nature to take it a little easier and coast when you know that no one is on your tail and you CAN\'T lose your job.

Think about it. When did Brooks play his best??? When he was fighting to prove himself to make sure he won the starting position. He\'s got the big contract now and knows that Haz won\'t pull him no matter what. He has no motivation, whatsoever. That applies to both inner drive and leadership ability.

Haz needs to be a man, think about the team and the fans and just tell Brooks that he shows more of his superstar abilities (yes, I do believe he is capable of being a great QB, if he really wants it enough) or else his A$$ is on the bench.

Go SAINTS!!!!!

David in Houston

Go SAINTS!!!!!

David in Houston

saintfan

Last season, when Brooks was injured, I could see sitting him down. That\'s a question for Haz, not an indictment of Aaron Brooks. My question is why do all you people want him benched THIS year? You people just can\'t accept that he\'s the starter, and his play on the field is in no way related to the persistant ignorance that goes on in this forum.

Now Mr. Drake, about Jake. I\'ve got nothing against the guy at all...never have...and to that end I hope he does well, but ya don\'t judge a player on ONE game. \"Wait \'til the league catches up to him\" is what the persistant ones have said about Brooks. Let\'s judge everyone equally and wait until Jake has some real experience and gets his head knocked off a few times before we decide to pass judgement. I also find it funny that, while I admit Jake did an excellent job last Sunday, he did it against Jacksonville after all, and lets not forget he tossed 2 INT\'s and the \"almost\" 3rd one was dropped. Had that ball not been dropped by the DB there would have been no comeback and Jake wouldn\'t be quite the hero he is at the moment.

Competition is NEVER a bad thing, and I think \"BO-MAN\" brings plenty. If AB is deserving of the bench I\'ll holler for his head too, but I\'m not gonna holler for the sake of hollering.

Now, about this \"Superstar\" nonesense...Brooks doesn\'t have to be a \"Superstar\"...and especially not in his present situation. What Brooks needs to do is get the ball to his very talented recievers and/or his very talented running back, which by and large he did last Sunday. I\'m not sure how you incorporate dropped passes into Brooks\' stats. I call that \"Funny Math\"...or just plain Funny.

I continue to believe that it\'s a damn good thing some of you aren\'t in charge. Mr. Drake you have only furthered my belief...thanks for the confidence booster!

C'mon Man...

BillyCarpenter1

daviddrake2 --

When Aaron got injuried Haz probably should have put Jake in. But, this has nothing to do with Aaron\'s ability. This has to do with taking an injuried player out of a game. If you want to blame somebody -- blame Haz!!

All this talk of getting rid of Brooks doesn\'t have anything to do with what Brooks has done or can\'t do. It has to do with some misguided fans that think they can spot talent at the QB position and they are convinced (without any facts) that a back-up QB is better than Brooks. If you don\'t beleive me just ask WhoDat, 08, FWtex, how it is they know that some bench warmer is better than Brooks! They\'ll give you some off the wall reason why somebody else is better than Brooks, but nothing solid. There\'s a different scale they\'re grading Aaron on. If everyone wants to judge a QB on one game -- I\'ll give you one of Aaron\'s games to judge him on. If you want to judge them on 5- games -- I\'ll give you 5 games of Aaron\'s. Oh, I forgot -- Jake hasn\'t played 5 games.

Bottom Line : You can\'t compare Jake to Aaron yet. Jake could be a hall of fame QB (which WhoDat is convinced of) or he could be riding the bench after he runs into Tampa\'s defense this Sunday.

saintfan

...or in the Emergency Room. I hope neither is the case tho. Tampa is gonna be a solid test for Jake. We already know AB can beat \'em!

:P

tweeky

Saintfan,
I think my previous comments about BO-MAN have been mis-construed. I think Brooks can be a FANTASTIC QB in this league and have backed him to the point of being labeled a Brooks-apologist. I\'ve never been a Brooks basher, and I don\'t think we should cut him or trade him. My anger with him is directed more to his non-chalant attitude and that goofy smile he flashes as were getting humiliated on the field. I think yanking him out and putting \"BO-MAN\" in for a series or two just might wake his asss up and he\'ll start taking things more seriously. I\'m certainly not the only fan (or NFL Expert/Analysyt) who\'s noticed his \"don\'t give a crap\" expressions.

When\'s the last time you saw him get visibly pissed-off at anything? He appears to have no fire in his belly and now the team appears that way too. Now it may be my \"persistant ignorance\" that leads me to believe that the team\'s attitude might be a reflection of their leader\'s. And I haven\'t just called out Brooks on this, I\'ve called out Deuce. Yes, Deuce McCallister, he\'s a team leader and needs to be more vocal and visible on the field. But maybe that’s just our \"short-sightedness\". But that short-sightedness happens to also be the opinion of the majority of experts and analysts following this team. This team appars lifeless and needs a kick in the asss.

Saintfan, I continue to believe that it\'s a damn good thing you (and the other 4 or 5 fans that refuse to see his problem) aren\'t in charge. Thanks for the confidence booster!

FOR THE RECORD: I LIKE BROOKS, HE WILL GET BETTER, WE WILL GET BETTER.

[Edited on 10/9/2003 by tweeky]

Whether we agree or disagree; its all for Him.