COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D.

CantonLegend · 01-26-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by strato

http://blackandgold.com/saints/24240-keys-victory.html
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lol no shameless self promotion....fall in line strato

After watching all the talking heads i could stand today ..no one is picking us ..except and this funny is Jay Marriotti..lol..i really dont care what any of these talking heads have to say, but love to shut them up.Everyone is saying that The Vikes gave us the game ..ok ..we'll take it. Let them talk all they want because they dont line up and play and none of them dont even watch with as much passion for our team as we do..I know the Colts are good ,and i respect Manning..but i see us giving him trouble..and here's why..for one i think our Corners are good enough to cover their recievers ..our linebackers have shown they can play the run ..blitz and cover pretty good..but the key on D..is we have a pass rush i think can get to Manning..I really think Williams will confuse Peyton and he can't move very well in the pocket so we might be able to knock him around just enough to rattle him..i know easier said than done..Believe me Williams is gonna come after him and will have some success..

Now on offense ..i think our o-line will protect Brees..i dont see the smaller undersized Colts D Line getting nearly as much pressure as Minny did..I really think we will be able to run the ball right at the Colts ..we dont need to get cute with the playcalling.. just pound the ball..no reverses .The play action will open up and Brees should be able to attack the seam and throw the ball downfield..The Colts were lucky to draw..Joe Flacco..and Mark Sanchez..Now they have to face the best Q.B they have seen all year..Our big recievers should be able to exploit the small Colts secondary. All in all i think we match up very well with this Colts team, and should be able to pull out a win ..and if we do we will get the respect that everyone here craves..BEAT Manning and we get it..

strato · 01-26-2010, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

lol no shameless self promotion....fall in line strato

No plugs intended..lol...

bobad · 01-26-2010, 11:16 AM

The biggest threat in the game is Manning's accuracy. He is so accurate
that our good secondary will be negated. All he needs is a 2 foot window.

The only counter to Manning's accuracy is pressure. Nobody has hit him yet
this year. Even the mighty Jets defense couldn't get much pressure on
him. I don't know the solution, but you can bet GG knows the problem and
is looking for one.

Choupique · 01-26-2010, 11:25 AM

The biggest threat in the game is Manning's accuracy. He is so accurate
that our good secondary will be negated. All he needs is a 2 foot window.

You could easily be talking about Cool Brees too. That negates the Manning X factor to a degree. We'll be doing the same to them. Our cornerbacks and the Harper/Sharper combo is better than what they have.

Advantage Saints, actually.

The only counter to Manning's accuracy is pressure. Nobody has hit him yet
this year. Even the mighty Jets defense couldn't get much pressure on
him.

That is what the Nation of Haters was saying prior to the VyQueens game. Ask Favre Bean how that worked out for him.

The Saints did that WITHOUT Grant.

Advantage Saints.

The Dolts are going down. It is destiny. It is our time.

indy4192 · 01-26-2010, 12:18 PM

Wow, where to start;

Our small Defense did just fine in shutting down both the Ravens and Jets rushing game, both have much better O lines then the Saints and better running games.

Next:

The Cards offense is just as explosive as the Saints are and we played and beat them this year.

Next:

We proved in the Jets game we don't need Reggie to have a big game to win, so shut him down, we have a multitude of other options.

Next:

We run the ball when we need to and do so just fine. We are not a run first team.

Next:

Final score: Colts 35 --- Saints 28

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

there is one thing that the colts are better at than the vikings were.....in fact.....its the only thing the colts are good at.....passing the ball

peyton manning is great....but he is not a team

in 2 weeks we will be going up against the best DE tandum in the entire NFL....however, we are also going up against the smallest defensive line in the NFL...that doesnt bode well against our 2 stud guards and our 3 pro bowl offensive linemen

the colts are great...but they have yet to play a team that is as deadly on offense as us.....they played the jets and ravens....2 great defenses and 2 great running offense....but very little threat in the passin game

you remember who covered reggie wayne? well our DB is second in the league in allowing the least amount of catches per times targeted.....right behind that same DB that shut down reggie wayne

the cardinals fans thought we played dirty.....we didnt

the vikings fans thought we played dirty.....we didnt

i know for a fact that after the super bowl all the colts fans are going to be cryin about how dirty our defense is.....and im going to smile and agree

the colts cant and wont run the ball....peyton manning is the colts offense and their defense while underrated is still no match for our #1 ranked offense

everybody keeps talking about how our defense will match up against their offense.....why is that always the case? why doesnt anybody worry about our offense against their defense? despite dominating the league in nearly every offensive category, our offense is underrated

oh and that underrated defense of yours......you are preaching to the choir son......our defense feels the same way

colts average 26 ppg.....saints average 32 ppg

my prediction: 32-26

SAINTS

fwiw.....the vikings averaged 29 ppg.....scored 28 against us.....we scored 31

Tobias-Reiper · 01-26-2010, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by indy4192

Wow, where to start;

Our small Defense did just fine in shutting down both the Ravens and Jets rushing game, both have much better O lines then the Saints and better running games.

The Ravens and the Jets are no threat to pass the ball. Sure you can stop the run with 8-9 in the box all game long. Do you really want the Colts to put 8-9 in the box against Drew Brees? I know I do.

Brees was sacked 20 times on 514 attempts
Sanchez was sacked 26 times on 364 attempts
Flacco was sacked 36 times on 499 attempts
O-line pass blocking advantage: clearly the Saints.

Saints ran the ball 468 times for 2106 yards and a 4.5 average
NY Jets ran the ball 607 times for 2756 yards and a 4.5 average
Ravens ran the ball 468 times for 2200 yards and a 4.7 average
Ok. The Ravens get 7 inches more per carry. Otherwise, neither Jets or Ravens seem to be better at running the ball than the Saints.

Next:

The Cards offense is just as explosive as the Saints are and we played and beat them this year.

No.
The Cardinals scored 375 points all season long.
The Saints scored 510 points all season long.

And the Saints beat the Cards as well. So what?

Next:

We proved in the Jets game we don't need Reggie to have a big game to win, so shut him down, we have a multitude of other options.

.. the Saints D doesn't play to shut anyone down. The Saints D plays to physically beat you up and make you fumble and give the ball back to the offense. . Ask the Vikings how they are feeling today.

Next:

We run the ball when we need to and do so just fine. We are not a run first team.

The Colts don't run the ball because they can't. With all the people who drop back to defend the pass, the Colts should be getting 5 yards a pop.

Next:

Final score: Colts 35 --- Saints 28

.. don't bet the house on that...

woody · 01-26-2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by indy4192

I would disagree, the Cards offense is very similar to the Saints in that it is a pass first, run second offense with it's tops weapons being in it's passing game.

cards offense isn't similar to the saints because they don't have nearly as good of a rushing attack.

indy4192 · 01-26-2010, 01:32 PM

Here to help you out...

Lets see, Sanchez is a rookie and Flacco is in his second year, so both are going to struggle with sacks. Your O line may pass block better, but that doesn't mean they are an overall better line.

Next:

All 3 teams ran the ball well in the regular season. but when they played the Colts, how did they do? How did the top rusher in the NFL do against the Colts? Sorry but the Colts D right now is shutting the run down.

Next:

True the Saints scored more overall points, but are you really saying that the Cards are not as explosive as the Saints? How many more weapons do the Saints offer that the Cards don't? You can't tell me the Saints have a better 1-2 punch at WR then the Cards? You can't say the Saints have a better QB then the Cards? Yes you beat them up in your home, we destroyed them in their own home. Which is more impressive?

Next:

Well lets see, how many of those takeaways were from hard hits? The one fumble by AP was near the goal line and was due to a poor handoff, not any Saint player hitting him. I watche the game, the 1 Viking getting hit was Farve, I didn't see any other "bell ringers" on other Vikings?

Next:

During the regular season your right, you might want to see how we did against two top defenses the two past weeks.

Next:

The major difference in the two teams is glaring. EXPERIENCE. The Saints will struggle with all that is involved in the next two weeks, the Colts have been there and done that. NOT 1 single team in that has played the Colts A team throughout the entire game has beaten the Colts this year, can you say the same for the Saints? You couldn't beat the lowly Bucs in your own home this season and got destroyed by the Cowboys.

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

The Ravens and the Jets are no threat to pass the ball. Sure you can stop the run with 8-9 in the box all game long. Do you really want the Colts to put 8-9 in the box against Drew Brees? I know I do.

Brees was sacked 20 times on 514 attempts
Sanchez was sacked 26 times on 364 attempts
Flacco was sacked 36 times on 499 attempts
O-line pass blocking advantage: clearly the Saints.

Saints ran the ball 468 times for 2106 yards and a 4.5 average
NY Jets ran the ball 607 times for 2756 yards and a 4.5 average
Ravens ran the ball 468 times for 2200 yards and a 4.7 average
Ok. The Ravens get 7 inches more per carry. Otherwise, neither Jets or Ravens seem to be better at running the ball than the Saints.

No.
The Cardinals scored 375 points all season long.
The Saints scored 510 points all season long.

And the Saints beat the Cards as well. So what?

.. the Saints D doesn't play to shut anyone down. The Saints D plays to physically beat you up and make you fumble and give the ball back to the offense. . Ask the Vikings how they are feeling today.

The Colts don't run the ball because they can't. With all the people who drop back to defend the pass, the Colts should be getting 5 yards a pop.

.. don't bet the house on that...

braggbro1 · 01-26-2010, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Brees was sacked 20 times on 514 attempts

Manning was sacked 10 times in 575 attempts this season and yet I keep reading here about how the Saints are going to get to him. You're completely confident you can protect against Freeney and Mathis (remember Ware and Spencer?) and yet also completely confident you can get to Manning. Doesn't make too much sense to me.

You're using stats when they support what you want to believe and ignoring them when they don't. That's all fine and good if you want to build up your confidence before the game but when the game starts, none of the false confidence will matter.

I'm a Colts fan that has picked the Saints to win, but some of the reasoning here simply blows my mind. Both teams have an offensive advantage over the opposing defense. I think the Saints being the better running team gives them an advantage but by no means do I think the Saints are going to stop the Colts offense. This will be a shootout.

indy4192 · 01-26-2010, 01:42 PM

Your right it isn't, but the Colts D has put a stop to 4 out of the top 5 rushing teams with the 1 we didn't, we didn't play in Carolina. We have shown we can stop the run.

Originally Posted by woody

cards offense isn't similar to the saints because they don't have nearly as good of a rushing attack.

01-26-2010, 10:49 AM	#61
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. Originally Posted by strato http://blackandgold.com/saints/24240-keys-victory.html i did..read it here lol no shameless self promotion....fall in line strato After watching all the talking heads i could stand today ..no one is picking us ..except and this funny is Jay Marriotti..lol..i really dont care what any of these talking heads have to say, but love to shut them up.Everyone is saying that The Vikes gave us the game ..ok ..we'll take it. Let them talk all they want because they dont line up and play and none of them dont even watch with as much passion for our team as we do..I know the Colts are good ,and i respect Manning..but i see us giving him trouble..and here's why..for one i think our Corners are good enough to cover their recievers ..our linebackers have shown they can play the run ..blitz and cover pretty good..but the key on D..is we have a pass rush i think can get to Manning..I really think Williams will confuse Peyton and he can't move very well in the pocket so we might be able to knock him around just enough to rattle him..i know easier said than done..Believe me Williams is gonna come after him and will have some success.. Now on offense ..i think our o-line will protect Brees..i dont see the smaller undersized Colts D Line getting nearly as much pressure as Minny did..I really think we will be able to run the ball right at the Colts ..we dont need to get cute with the playcalling.. just pound the ball..no reverses .The play action will open up and Brees should be able to attack the seam and throw the ball downfield..The Colts were lucky to draw..Joe Flacco..and Mark Sanchez..Now they have to face the best Q.B they have seen all year..Our big recievers should be able to exploit the small Colts secondary. All in all i think we match up very well with this Colts team, and should be able to pull out a win ..and if we do we will get the respect that everyone here craves..BEAT Manning and we get it..

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01-26-2010, 11:16 AM	#63
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. The biggest threat in the game is Manning's accuracy. He is so accurate that our good secondary will be negated. All he needs is a 2 foot window. The only counter to Manning's accuracy is pressure. Nobody has hit him yet this year. Even the mighty Jets defense couldn't get much pressure on him. I don't know the solution, but you can bet GG knows the problem and is looking for one.
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01-26-2010, 11:25 AM	#64
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. The biggest threat in the game is Manning's accuracy. He is so accurate that our good secondary will be negated. All he needs is a 2 foot window. You could easily be talking about Cool Brees too. That negates the Manning X factor to a degree. We'll be doing the same to them. Our cornerbacks and the Harper/Sharper combo is better than what they have. Advantage Saints, actually. The only counter to Manning's accuracy is pressure. Nobody has hit him yet this year. Even the mighty Jets defense couldn't get much pressure on him. That is what the Nation of Haters was saying prior to the VyQueens game. Ask Favre Bean how that worked out for him. The Saints did that WITHOUT Grant. Advantage Saints. The Dolts are going down. It is destiny. It is our time.
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01-26-2010, 12:18 PM	#65
indy4192 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 122	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. Wow, where to start; Our small Defense did just fine in shutting down both the Ravens and Jets rushing game, both have much better O lines then the Saints and better running games. Next: The Cards offense is just as explosive as the Saints are and we played and beat them this year. Next: We proved in the Jets game we don't need Reggie to have a big game to win, so shut him down, we have a multitude of other options. Next: We run the ball when we need to and do so just fine. We are not a run first team. Next: Final score: Colts 35 --- Saints 28 Originally Posted by CantonLegend there is one thing that the colts are better at than the vikings were.....in fact.....its the only thing the colts are good at.....passing the ball peyton manning is great....but he is not a team in 2 weeks we will be going up against the best DE tandum in the entire NFL....however, we are also going up against the smallest defensive line in the NFL...that doesnt bode well against our 2 stud guards and our 3 pro bowl offensive linemen the colts are great...but they have yet to play a team that is as deadly on offense as us.....they played the jets and ravens....2 great defenses and 2 great running offense....but very little threat in the passin game you remember who covered reggie wayne? well our DB is second in the league in allowing the least amount of catches per times targeted.....right behind that same DB that shut down reggie wayne the cardinals fans thought we played dirty.....we didnt the vikings fans thought we played dirty.....we didnt i know for a fact that after the super bowl all the colts fans are going to be cryin about how dirty our defense is.....and im going to smile and agree the colts cant and wont run the ball....peyton manning is the colts offense and their defense while underrated is still no match for our #1 ranked offense everybody keeps talking about how our defense will match up against their offense.....why is that always the case? why doesnt anybody worry about our offense against their defense? despite dominating the league in nearly every offensive category, our offense is underrated oh and that underrated defense of yours......you are preaching to the choir son......our defense feels the same way colts average 26 ppg.....saints average 32 ppg my prediction: 32-26 SAINTS fwiw.....the vikings averaged 29 ppg.....scored 28 against us.....we scored 31
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01-26-2010, 12:53 PM	#66
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. Originally Posted by indy4192 Wow, where to start; Our small Defense did just fine in shutting down both the Ravens and Jets rushing game, both have much better O lines then the Saints and better running games. The Ravens and the Jets are no threat to pass the ball. Sure you can stop the run with 8-9 in the box all game long. Do you really want the Colts to put 8-9 in the box against Drew Brees? I know I do. Brees was sacked 20 times on 514 attempts Sanchez was sacked 26 times on 364 attempts Flacco was sacked 36 times on 499 attempts O-line pass blocking advantage: clearly the Saints. Saints ran the ball 468 times for 2106 yards and a 4.5 average NY Jets ran the ball 607 times for 2756 yards and a 4.5 average Ravens ran the ball 468 times for 2200 yards and a 4.7 average Ok. The Ravens get 7 inches more per carry. Otherwise, neither Jets or Ravens seem to be better at running the ball than the Saints. Next: The Cards offense is just as explosive as the Saints are and we played and beat them this year. No. The Cardinals scored 375 points all season long. The Saints scored 510 points all season long. And the Saints beat the Cards as well. So what? Next: We proved in the Jets game we don't need Reggie to have a big game to win, so shut him down, we have a multitude of other options. .. the Saints D doesn't play to shut anyone down. The Saints D plays to physically beat you up and make you fumble and give the ball back to the offense. . Ask the Vikings how they are feeling today. Next: We run the ball when we need to and do so just fine. We are not a run first team. The Colts don't run the ball because they can't. With all the people who drop back to defend the pass, the Colts should be getting 5 yards a pop. Next: Final score: Colts 35 --- Saints 28 .. don't bet the house on that...
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01-26-2010, 01:30 PM	#67
woody 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 181	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. Originally Posted by indy4192 I would disagree, the Cards offense is very similar to the Saints in that it is a pass first, run second offense with it's tops weapons being in it's passing game. cards offense isn't similar to the saints because they don't have nearly as good of a rushing attack.
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01-26-2010, 01:32 PM	#68
indy4192 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 122	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. Here to help you out... Lets see, Sanchez is a rookie and Flacco is in his second year, so both are going to struggle with sacks. Your O line may pass block better, but that doesn't mean they are an overall better line. Next: All 3 teams ran the ball well in the regular season. but when they played the Colts, how did they do? How did the top rusher in the NFL do against the Colts? Sorry but the Colts D right now is shutting the run down. Next: True the Saints scored more overall points, but are you really saying that the Cards are not as explosive as the Saints? How many more weapons do the Saints offer that the Cards don't? You can't tell me the Saints have a better 1-2 punch at WR then the Cards? You can't say the Saints have a better QB then the Cards? Yes you beat them up in your home, we destroyed them in their own home. Which is more impressive? Next: Well lets see, how many of those takeaways were from hard hits? The one fumble by AP was near the goal line and was due to a poor handoff, not any Saint player hitting him. I watche the game, the 1 Viking getting hit was Farve, I didn't see any other "bell ringers" on other Vikings? Next: During the regular season your right, you might want to see how we did against two top defenses the two past weeks. Next: The major difference in the two teams is glaring. EXPERIENCE. The Saints will struggle with all that is involved in the next two weeks, the Colts have been there and done that. NOT 1 single team in that has played the Colts A team throughout the entire game has beaten the Colts this year, can you say the same for the Saints? You couldn't beat the lowly Bucs in your own home this season and got destroyed by the Cowboys. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper The Ravens and the Jets are no threat to pass the ball. Sure you can stop the run with 8-9 in the box all game long. Do you really want the Colts to put 8-9 in the box against Drew Brees? I know I do. Brees was sacked 20 times on 514 attempts Sanchez was sacked 26 times on 364 attempts Flacco was sacked 36 times on 499 attempts O-line pass blocking advantage: clearly the Saints. Saints ran the ball 468 times for 2106 yards and a 4.5 average NY Jets ran the ball 607 times for 2756 yards and a 4.5 average Ravens ran the ball 468 times for 2200 yards and a 4.7 average Ok. The Ravens get 7 inches more per carry. Otherwise, neither Jets or Ravens seem to be better at running the ball than the Saints. No. The Cardinals scored 375 points all season long. The Saints scored 510 points all season long. And the Saints beat the Cards as well. So what? .. the Saints D doesn't play to shut anyone down. The Saints D plays to physically beat you up and make you fumble and give the ball back to the offense. . Ask the Vikings how they are feeling today. The Colts don't run the ball because they can't. With all the people who drop back to defend the pass, the Colts should be getting 5 yards a pop. .. don't bet the house on that...
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01-26-2010, 01:35 PM	#69
braggbro1 Registered Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 55	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Brees was sacked 20 times on 514 attempts Manning was sacked 10 times in 575 attempts this season and yet I keep reading here about how the Saints are going to get to him. You're completely confident you can protect against Freeney and Mathis (remember Ware and Spencer?) and yet also completely confident you can get to Manning. Doesn't make too much sense to me. You're using stats when they support what you want to believe and ignoring them when they don't. That's all fine and good if you want to build up your confidence before the game but when the game starts, none of the false confidence will matter. I'm a Colts fan that has picked the Saints to win, but some of the reasoning here simply blows my mind. Both teams have an offensive advantage over the opposing defense. I think the Saints being the better running team gives them an advantage but by no means do I think the Saints are going to stop the Colts offense. This will be a shootout.
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indy4192 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 122	Re: COLTS D isn't like the Vikes D. Your right it isn't, but the Colts D has put a stop to 4 out of the top 5 rushing teams with the 1 we didn't, we didn't play in Carolina. We have shown we can stop the run. Originally Posted by woody cards offense isn't similar to the saints because they don't have nearly as good of a rushing attack.
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