Its time... FIRE GREG WILLIAMS

foreverfan · 10-17-2011, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Belair57

Euph lost yer mind man....(see what I did there)

xan · 10-17-2011, 08:43 PM

I'm not trying to poke any bears here, but the defense got sold out by the offense this week. Two short fields, 5 drives by the offense of under 1:39, only two drives over 4 minutes.

I don't care if they are professionals, you just can't do that to the defense on a hot day and they have to chase from 2 scores behind.

We should get healed up the next two weeks.

papz · 10-17-2011, 11:53 PM

Exactly. You can't put Tampa on our side of the 40 and expect the defense to shut them down every time. But... if you're putting all your emotions on your sleeve and fail to think logically, of course it's the defense's fault.

QBREES9 · 10-17-2011, 11:56 PM

3rd and 20 and you give up a first down ? i don't get it. They do that at least 2 time a game.

BringTheWood · 10-18-2011, 12:07 AM

I don't want to sift through 8 pages to judge the boards entire reaction to this, but... I agree, but not as vehemently. It's pretty simple for me. He has the rest of the season to try and get this ball rolling on D, but after this year, I can't see him being brought back at this rate. I realistically just can't. We have FAR too much talent on D to look as bad as we have. Our front 4 almost looks like the NFC starters in the pro bowl. Jenkins is a huge bright spot, and Robinson is gonna be dynamite with a little more practice. Just like Jenkins. Other than that, we're getting beat on coaching, not talent. Vilma is solid but has to do too much. He coaches more than Williams does at this point. And though he has had a few bad audibles, he's also bailed us out many times from Gregg just repeatedly calling a blitz. It's almost like Gregg's playbook looks like this:

Plays
1. Blitz (Any kind)
2. Zone cove... I want a cheeseburger really bad right now. Think Sean could handle D for a bit?
3.
4.
5.

Again, I don't want to jump on a hate Williams bandwagon after one horrible loss, which it was (we lost to a team that struggled far more, is far less talented, and could still only win by 6 with 4 turnovers), but this seems to be a theme. Get it together Gregg, or get ready to start writing resumes.

SaintPauly · 10-18-2011, 12:11 AM

Every NFC loss we get, is bad. There are no gimme games in this league. Anyone remember how costly that loss to atlanta was last year???? Yeah, thats what i thought. It was the difference between playing at home, and being embarassed in seattle....

Euphoria · 10-18-2011, 12:02 PM

NEWS FLASH we get embarrassed anytime our D takes the field.

Euphoria · 10-18-2011, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

The defense has been unable to shut the other teams down enough in the end when we need them to and Drew has to keep pulling 4th quarter game-winning drives, which he almost did again w/the bucs. That is not a formula for success. Defense shows signs of life and then seems to go soft on 3rd downs. They have to get better pressure from the front four. However, nobody's Defense is standing out this year in the other top teams either.

There are several good defenses this year on OTHER teams.

Watch other games!

neugey · 10-18-2011, 12:50 PM

Defense has not looked good, but it hasn't looked Venturi-bad. Maybe if the defense continues to have problems we consider making a move.

But even assuming Euph is right ... who in the heck would we replace him with? Are any of our defensive assistants good enough?

AllSaints · 10-18-2011, 12:56 PM

I agree Willams is overrated... I mean Im still waitin on this beast mode D to show uup with our beast mode D-line n beast mode secondary......... ?

10-17-2011, 08:22 PM	#71
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Belair57 Euph lost yer mind man....(see what I did there) Belair57 likes this.

10-17-2011, 08:43 PM	#72
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	I'm not trying to poke any bears here, but the defense got sold out by the offense this week. Two short fields, 5 drives by the offense of under 1:39, only two drives over 4 minutes. I don't care if they are professionals, you just can't do that to the defense on a hot day and they have to chase from 2 scores behind. We should get healed up the next two weeks. saintfan, jnormand and Belair57 like this.

10-17-2011, 11:53 PM	#73
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Exactly. You can't put Tampa on our side of the 40 and expect the defense to shut them down every time. But... if you're putting all your emotions on your sleeve and fail to think logically, of course it's the defense's fault. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-17-2011, 11:56 PM	#74
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	3rd and 20 and you give up a first down ? i don't get it. They do that at least 2 time a game. SaintsRule11 likes this.

10-18-2011, 12:07 AM	#75
BringTheWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 165	I don't want to sift through 8 pages to judge the boards entire reaction to this, but... I agree, but not as vehemently. It's pretty simple for me. He has the rest of the season to try and get this ball rolling on D, but after this year, I can't see him being brought back at this rate. I realistically just can't. We have FAR too much talent on D to look as bad as we have. Our front 4 almost looks like the NFC starters in the pro bowl. Jenkins is a huge bright spot, and Robinson is gonna be dynamite with a little more practice. Just like Jenkins. Other than that, we're getting beat on coaching, not talent. Vilma is solid but has to do too much. He coaches more than Williams does at this point. And though he has had a few bad audibles, he's also bailed us out many times from Gregg just repeatedly calling a blitz. It's almost like Gregg's playbook looks like this: Plays 1. Blitz (Any kind) 2. Zone cove... I want a cheeseburger really bad right now. Think Sean could handle D for a bit? 3. 4. 5. Again, I don't want to jump on a hate Williams bandwagon after one horrible loss, which it was (we lost to a team that struggled far more, is far less talented, and could still only win by 6 with 4 turnovers), but this seems to be a theme. Get it together Gregg, or get ready to start writing resumes. SaintsRule11 likes this.
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10-18-2011, 12:11 AM	#76
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Every NFC loss we get, is bad. There are no gimme games in this league. Anyone remember how costly that loss to atlanta was last year???? Yeah, thats what i thought. It was the difference between playing at home, and being embarassed in seattle.... SaintsRule11 likes this.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	NEWS FLASH we get embarrassed anytime our D takes the field.

10-18-2011, 12:08 PM	#78
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Mardigras9 The defense has been unable to shut the other teams down enough in the end when we need them to and Drew has to keep pulling 4th quarter game-winning drives, which he almost did again w/the bucs. That is not a formula for success. Defense shows signs of life and then seems to go soft on 3rd downs. They have to get better pressure from the front four. However, nobody's Defense is standing out this year in the other top teams either. There are several good defenses this year on OTHER teams. Watch other games! SaintsRule11 likes this.

10-18-2011, 12:50 PM	#79
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Defense has not looked good, but it hasn't looked Venturi-bad. Maybe if the defense continues to have problems we consider making a move. But even assuming Euph is right ... who in the heck would we replace him with? Are any of our defensive assistants good enough?

10-18-2011, 12:56 PM	#80
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	I agree Willams is overrated... I mean Im still waitin on this beast mode D to show uup with our beast mode D-line n beast mode secondary......... ?

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