You know,

mighty12 · 11-21-2011, 12:12 PM

I am still wondering what I am suppose to see differently in the videos that were posted. Here is what I DID see, the Oline get beat at the point of attack, not able to push off blocks and hit the next level(especially on draw plays where down field blocking is crucial.) once the back gets to the line of scrimmage he is hit by 3 defenders and has to churn forward to make any yards. But let's not blame just the Oline, we have backs who apparently lack vision. There were many plays where the RB could have cut back for a huge gain, but choose to drop his head in a pile of defenders for minimal yardage. From top to bottom we lack a consistent running game. But hey what do I know, I'm just a fan.

CharityMike · 11-21-2011, 12:28 PM

To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE.
As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year.

strato · 11-21-2011, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE.
As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year.

Same can be said of Ivory..but he still can get yards...Ingram needs better vision out there..it will come.....i hope

CantonLegend · 11-21-2011, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by mighty12

I am still wondering what I am suppose to see differently in the videos that were posted. Here is what I DID see, the Oline get beat at the point of attack, not able to push off blocks and hit the next level(especially on draw plays where down field blocking is crucial.) once the back gets to the line of scrimmage he is hit by 3 defenders and has to churn forward to make any yards. But let's not blame just the Oline, we have backs who apparently lack vision. There were many plays where the RB could have cut back for a huge gain, but choose to drop his head in a pile of defenders for minimal yardage. From top to bottom we lack a consistent running game. But hey what do I know, I'm just a fan.

alright then heres what you should be looking for because apparently even when i post videos of the line doing its job you still dont know what you're seeing.......

the lines job is not to blow ppl off the ball. the lines job is to make contact with the defenders and keep them off the ball carrier. they dont have to push a guy backwards to do that. most of the time all they have to do is turn their seats and create an alley for the running back to run through

running plays are not designed to get 10 yards. they are designed to get 3 to 5 yards because you cant possibly block everybody on one play. what you see in these videos is a lot of 3 to 4 yard gains in which we use carl nicks' elite skills to pop off successful runs

nicks is seen often in these videos reaching for linebackers and pulling to the inside of the right side of the line in order to give the running back a big lead blocker to follow

in only a handful of runs in those videos do the backs actually get stuffed and very few if any do the backs get caught behind the line

linemen are not going to push 350lb defensive linemen backwards....what they are going to do is catch them before they make a move and turn their seat so they can create a seam for the backs to get through

no wonder ppl complain so much about the line....this is why i say you guys dont know what you're talking about

Danno · 11-21-2011, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

....this is why i say you guys dont know what you're talking about

Coming from the guy who swore, this year, that Kreutz was doing well, and Stinchcomb was one of the best RT's in the NFL?

You have no credibility whatsoever and to claim others don't know what they're talking about points directly to you being a absolutely clueless boob.

You're a troll, and you probably don't even realize it.

CantonLegend · 11-21-2011, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Coming from the guy who swore, this year, that Kreutz was doing well, and Stinchcomb was one of the best RT's in the NFL?

You have no credibility whatsoever and to claim others don't know what they're talking about points directly to you being a absolutely clueless boob.

You're a troll, and you probably don't even realize it.

kreutz was doing well and stinch was one of the best RTs in the league

you really wanna do this again?

i dont have to impress you to know what im talking about but if you show those videos to some people that know anything about football they will agree with me about our blocking. being a loud fan that goes to the games or talks a lot on forums doesnt mean you know anything about football

take a couple weeks off the site....away from espn.....away from the dumb fan who think they know what they are talking about

read some books. hang out with some coaches.....then come back and see if you've changed your mind about our blocking

it only takes one loud idiot to change the perception of the masses......dont be the guy that leads them in the wrong direction

jcp026 · 11-21-2011, 03:24 PM

I still can't figure out how to start a thread. Can someone start a 2012 draft thread so I can post on it?

Danno · 11-21-2011, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

kreutz was doing well and stinch was one of the best RTs in the league

you really wanna do this again?

If you wanna make a fool of yourself again go right ahead.

CantonLegend · 11-21-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

If you wanna make a fool of yourself again go right ahead.

if you bait another poster doesnt that make you the troll?

Danno · 11-21-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

if you bait another poster doesnt that make you the troll?

Yep, I'm a troll. You got me Lombardi. I guess I'm exposed now.

11-21-2011, 12:12 PM	#41
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	I am still wondering what I am suppose to see differently in the videos that were posted. Here is what I DID see, the Oline get beat at the point of attack, not able to push off blocks and hit the next level(especially on draw plays where down field blocking is crucial.) once the back gets to the line of scrimmage he is hit by 3 defenders and has to churn forward to make any yards. But let's not blame just the Oline, we have backs who apparently lack vision. There were many plays where the RB could have cut back for a huge gain, but choose to drop his head in a pile of defenders for minimal yardage. From top to bottom we lack a consistent running game. But hey what do I know, I'm just a fan. saintfan and strato like this.

11-21-2011, 12:34 PM	#43
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CharityMike To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE. As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year. Same can be said of Ivory..but he still can get yards...Ingram needs better vision out there..it will come.....i hope halloween 65 likes this.

11-21-2011, 03:02 PM	#44
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by mighty12 I am still wondering what I am suppose to see differently in the videos that were posted. Here is what I DID see, the Oline get beat at the point of attack, not able to push off blocks and hit the next level(especially on draw plays where down field blocking is crucial.) once the back gets to the line of scrimmage he is hit by 3 defenders and has to churn forward to make any yards. But let's not blame just the Oline, we have backs who apparently lack vision. There were many plays where the RB could have cut back for a huge gain, but choose to drop his head in a pile of defenders for minimal yardage. From top to bottom we lack a consistent running game. But hey what do I know, I'm just a fan. alright then heres what you should be looking for because apparently even when i post videos of the line doing its job you still dont know what you're seeing....... the lines job is not to blow ppl off the ball. the lines job is to make contact with the defenders and keep them off the ball carrier. they dont have to push a guy backwards to do that. most of the time all they have to do is turn their seats and create an alley for the running back to run through running plays are not designed to get 10 yards. they are designed to get 3 to 5 yards because you cant possibly block everybody on one play. what you see in these videos is a lot of 3 to 4 yard gains in which we use carl nicks' elite skills to pop off successful runs nicks is seen often in these videos reaching for linebackers and pulling to the inside of the right side of the line in order to give the running back a big lead blocker to follow in only a handful of runs in those videos do the backs actually get stuffed and very few if any do the backs get caught behind the line linemen are not going to push 350lb defensive linemen backwards....what they are going to do is catch them before they make a move and turn their seat so they can create a seam for the backs to get through no wonder ppl complain so much about the line....this is why i say you guys dont know what you're talking about
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11-21-2011, 03:09 PM	#45
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by CantonLegend ....this is why i say you guys dont know what you're talking about Coming from the guy who swore, this year, that Kreutz was doing well, and Stinchcomb was one of the best RT's in the NFL? You have no credibility whatsoever and to claim others don't know what they're talking about points directly to you being a absolutely clueless boob. You're a troll, and you probably don't even realize it. saintfan likes this.

11-21-2011, 03:18 PM	#46
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by Danno Coming from the guy who swore, this year, that Kreutz was doing well, and Stinchcomb was one of the best RT's in the NFL? You have no credibility whatsoever and to claim others don't know what they're talking about points directly to you being a absolutely clueless boob. You're a troll, and you probably don't even realize it. kreutz was doing well and stinch was one of the best RTs in the league you really wanna do this again? i dont have to impress you to know what im talking about but if you show those videos to some people that know anything about football they will agree with me about our blocking. being a loud fan that goes to the games or talks a lot on forums doesnt mean you know anything about football take a couple weeks off the site....away from espn.....away from the dumb fan who think they know what they are talking about read some books. hang out with some coaches.....then come back and see if you've changed your mind about our blocking it only takes one loud idiot to change the perception of the masses......dont be the guy that leads them in the wrong direction foreverfan likes this.
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11-21-2011, 12:28 PM	#42
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE. As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year.

11-21-2011, 03:24 PM	#47
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11-21-2011, 03:26 PM	#48
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by CantonLegend kreutz was doing well and stinch was one of the best RTs in the league you really wanna do this again? If you wanna make a fool of yourself again go right ahead. iceshack149 and foreverfan like this.

11-21-2011, 03:29 PM	#49
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by Danno If you wanna make a fool of yourself again go right ahead. if you bait another poster doesnt that make you the troll? foreverfan likes this.

11-21-2011, 03:33 PM	#50
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by CantonLegend if you bait another poster doesnt that make you the troll? Yep, I'm a troll. You got me Lombardi. I guess I'm exposed now. foreverfan likes this.

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