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Marlboro Man · 11-14-2011, 03:28 PM

I'm not buying that Ivory missed that game because of injury. No freakin way. He was getting better after his first game back which is normal and looked real good against Tampa and was set to have an even better game this past Sunday and Payton comes up with this hamstring BS so he could try to get some more validation for his new offensive toy Mark Ingram who blew again this week.

strato · 11-14-2011, 03:33 PM

I like this only because i think Ivory is the better RB right now...he see's the hole better and is more explosive...now say what you want about the O_line...P.T got yards on a few carries yesterday and Ivory did last week..

I would hope draft status wouldn't matter here..just the better player..

Im not hating on Ingram,..he is a rookie..but was supposed to be NFL ready...he has not lived up to that bill yet..

I think he will ...but were trying to win games..NOW...so if he needs more work in practice on how to use the O-Line ..let P.T... Ivory and Sproles carry the load..save him for the playoffs..

CantonLegend · 11-14-2011, 03:38 PM

hey monday morning QB.....where were you when ingram was bursting through the colts defense?

ivory had 18 yards against the rams......you call that production?

come on man....you know nobody is going to get anything going with only 10 touches a game....give it a rest

strato · 11-14-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

hey monday morning QB.....where were you when ingram was bursting through the colts defense?

ivory had 18 yards against the rams......you call that production?

come on man....you know nobody is going to get anything going with only 10 touches a game....give it a rest

That was his first game back...and the O-Line was not there that day..they missed the plane...the next week..he led the team in rushing with 67..and as you say.. we didn't run the ball against the rams either..so his point does have some merit..

CantonLegend · 11-14-2011, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by strato

That was his first game back...and the O-Line was not there that day..they missed the plane...the next week..he led the team in rushing with 67..and as you say.. we didn't run the ball against the rams either..so his point does have some merit..

67 yards on 15 carries......how many times has ingram been given 15 of anything?

you cant see production if you're not going to give a player the opportunity

a first round pick deserves more than 8 carries. when he gets over 10 carries a game his ypc average skyrockets

otherwise he was just an expensive short yardage guy

AlaskaSaints · 11-14-2011, 03:51 PM

Maybe he should do sprints up and down the sideline before he gets put in... Based upon your logic, Canton.

67/15 = 4.something.

When Ingram shows up 4.something, he'll see the ball more.

Alaska

strato · 11-14-2011, 03:53 PM

I think if Ingram was getting more he would get more..

strato · 11-14-2011, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

67 yards on 15 carries......how many times has ingram been given 15 of anything?

you cant see production if you're not going to give a player the opportunity

a first round pick deserves more than 8 carries. when he gets over 10 carries a game his ypc average skyrockets

otherwise he was just an expensive short yardage guy

You could be onto something there...that's what scares me..I mean that was the knock on Bush in some ways ...and he has more yards on a losing team this year...

UK_WhoDat · 11-14-2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by strato

I think if Ingram was getting more he would get more..

A sort of circular truth there.

Halo · 11-14-2011, 05:38 PM

Ingram is a rookie, and I don't think running backs will ever put up massive yards as a Saints while Payton is coach. Their role is to support the passing game.

Going into the game Atlanta had a good run defense and their secondary was "suspect" at best. Payton and Brees were going to throw all day long.

There's just isn't enough info for me to know whether he's a "bust" "expensive pick" "second coming of Deuce" etc. We're about to hit the most important stretch of the season. Let's see what happens.

As for Ivory - bs story or not, injury or no injury, I want to see him in uniform and playing for consecutive games through the end of the season before I make a judgement about him.

11-14-2011, 03:28 PM	#1
Marlboro Man 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,469	You know, I'm not buying that Ivory missed that game because of injury. No freakin way. He was getting better after his first game back which is normal and looked real good against Tampa and was set to have an even better game this past Sunday and Payton comes up with this hamstring BS so he could try to get some more validation for his new offensive toy Mark Ingram who blew again this week. strato and AlaskaSaints like this.

11-14-2011, 03:33 PM	#2
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	I like this only because i think Ivory is the better RB right now...he see's the hole better and is more explosive...now say what you want about the O_line...P.T got yards on a few carries yesterday and Ivory did last week.. I would hope draft status wouldn't matter here..just the better player.. Im not hating on Ingram,..he is a rookie..but was supposed to be NFL ready...he has not lived up to that bill yet.. I think he will ...but were trying to win games..NOW...so if he needs more work in practice on how to use the O-Line ..let P.T... Ivory and Sproles carry the load..save him for the playoffs.. AlaskaSaints likes this.

11-14-2011, 03:38 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	hey monday morning QB.....where were you when ingram was bursting through the colts defense? ivory had 18 yards against the rams......you call that production? come on man....you know nobody is going to get anything going with only 10 touches a game....give it a rest TheKillerBs likes this.

11-14-2011, 03:41 PM	#4
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CantonLegend hey monday morning QB.....where were you when ingram was bursting through the colts defense? ivory had 18 yards against the rams......you call that production? come on man....you know nobody is going to get anything going with only 10 touches a game....give it a rest That was his first game back...and the O-Line was not there that day..they missed the plane...the next week..he led the team in rushing with 67..and as you say.. we didn't run the ball against the rams either..so his point does have some merit..

11-14-2011, 03:49 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Originally Posted by strato That was his first game back...and the O-Line was not there that day..they missed the plane...the next week..he led the team in rushing with 67..and as you say.. we didn't run the ball against the rams either..so his point does have some merit.. 67 yards on 15 carries......how many times has ingram been given 15 of anything? you cant see production if you're not going to give a player the opportunity a first round pick deserves more than 8 carries. when he gets over 10 carries a game his ypc average skyrockets otherwise he was just an expensive short yardage guy

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11-14-2011, 03:51 PM	#6
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Maybe he should do sprints up and down the sideline before he gets put in... Based upon your logic, Canton. 67/15 = 4.something. When Ingram shows up 4.something, he'll see the ball more. Alaska

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strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	I think if Ingram was getting more he would get more..

11-14-2011, 03:55 PM	#8
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CantonLegend 67 yards on 15 carries......how many times has ingram been given 15 of anything? you cant see production if you're not going to give a player the opportunity a first round pick deserves more than 8 carries. when he gets over 10 carries a game his ypc average skyrockets otherwise he was just an expensive short yardage guy You could be onto something there...that's what scares me..I mean that was the knock on Bush in some ways ...and he has more yards on a losing team this year...

11-14-2011, 05:00 PM	#9
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Originally Posted by strato I think if Ingram was getting more he would get more.. A sort of circular truth there.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,607 Blog Entries: 45	Ingram is a rookie, and I don't think running backs will ever put up massive yards as a Saints while Payton is coach. Their role is to support the passing game. Going into the game Atlanta had a good run defense and their secondary was "suspect" at best. Payton and Brees were going to throw all day long. There's just isn't enough info for me to know whether he's a "bust" "expensive pick" "second coming of Deuce" etc. We're about to hit the most important stretch of the season. Let's see what happens. As for Ivory - bs story or not, injury or no injury, I want to see him in uniform and playing for consecutive games through the end of the season before I make a judgement about him. Danno and papz like this.
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