You know,

saintfan · 11-14-2011, 06:35 PM

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory.

Danno · 11-14-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory.

I don't think Payton favors his draft picks over players who perform.
Sincerely,
Antonio Pittman

SaintsBro · 11-14-2011, 07:24 PM

I am not ragging on him per se, but it is pretty obvious that ivory looks world-beater GREAT against teams that are especially weak against the run (like when he ran completely wild all over the Tampa Bay defense a year ago) and then he distinctly looks kinda not-as-good against teams that are more stout against the run, like the Atlanta game where he fumbled and went out with an injury. It's why he always looks so good in preseason too. But put him against a defense like the Steelers or Rams (when the Rams were playing a really physical game) and he looks not nearly as insanely good as people sometimes seem to believe he is, based on people's reactions to the occasional preseason games where he runs absolutely wild like a Tasmanian devil. He is pretty good but maybe not THAT good.

I think it was a setup -- they had no intention of running much against Atlanta, and all that talk at the podium during the week about "we've got to really work to establish the run" was just a smokescreen. I sure fell for it.

strato · 11-14-2011, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

I am not ragging on him per se, but it is pretty obvious that ivory looks world-beater GREAT against teams that are especially weak against the run (like when he ran completely wild all over the Tampa Bay defense a year ago) and then he distinctly looks kinda not-as-good against teams that are more stout against the run, like the Atlanta game where he fumbled and went out with an injury. It's why he always looks so good in preseason too. But put him against a defense like the Steelers or Rams (when the Rams were playing a really physical game) and he looks not nearly as insanely good as people sometimes seem to believe he is, based on people's reactions to the occasional preseason games where he runs absolutely wild like a Tasmanian devil. He is pretty good but maybe not THAT good.

I think it was a setup -- they had no intention of running much against Atlanta, and all that talk at the podium during the week about "we've got to really work to establish the run" was just a smokescreen. I sure fell for it.

Would any other backs run wild?...he ran for 67 against Tampa this year..and was part of our best output this year running the ball..

I have a feeling if Ivory was a first round pick..he would be liked more...just a hunch..

pumpkindriver · 11-14-2011, 07:39 PM

Ya know, until our run blocking improves which I don't think its going to this season, none of our backs are going to be very effective. Ivory plays good but he can't stay healthy, PT runs hard too. Ingram isn't doing much so far imo, and at this point in the season you can't chalk it up to being a rookie anymore.

subguy · 11-14-2011, 08:06 PM

The irony is most of these folks raggin' on a lack of production in Ingram followed Bush thorughout his career here and cried like baby girls when he was released. Ingram is a rookie...not one of our backs this season has had an opportunity to be a showcase runner. Bush had opportunities and never could perform as a showcase runner. They are rotating among 3-4 rb's no one will get big production. The reason Sproles is getting the production is he is the most versatile, followed by PT. The most important stat to look at when there are sooo many rb's sharing the workload is yards per carry, total rushing yards in a rotation such as this it is not a telling stat. Also, as I previously stated Sproles and PT contribute in receiving yards, not sure but I do not recall Ivory catching a pass. Everyone knows Ingram is a north-south runner and probably never going to be a receiving back. I would say Ivory is the 4th back as it should be. In a previous thread I posted regarding the injury plagued football career Ivory has had including his college career. I like all of our backs and I like the fact we have the best backfield in the NFL but I refuse to give Ivory mad props when they aren't deserved.

saintsfan1976 · 11-14-2011, 08:11 PM

I love you Ivory fans.

The smallest amount of production from him and he's "the greatest".

jnormand · 11-14-2011, 08:13 PM

No way!!!! Cmon!! Lmao!

strato · 11-14-2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

The irony is most of these folks raggin' on a lack of production followed Bush and cried like baby girls when he was released. Ingram is a rookie...not one of our backs this season has had an opportunity to be a showcase runner. Bush had opportunities and never could perform as a showcase runner. They are rotating among 3-4 rb's no one will get big production. The reason Sproles is geeting the production is he is the most versatile, followed by PT. The most ipmortant stats to look at when there are sooo many rb's sharing the workload is YPC, total yards in a rotation such as this it is not a telling stat.

Subguy..i think we just want to see more of Ingram...Bush on a losing team has more yards rushing so far..

I like Ingram i mean dam he was a 1 one pick...but the young man has to step up...or if not... then whats wrong with Ivory getting some more time...he has produced for us...why not let him till Ingram gets the speed of thr NFL down...we only have some much time to dabble around with him..Ingram had off season with the team..preseason and now all this year...Im not giving up on him yet....but i dont think we have to when we have Ivory and P.T to handle most of the tough yards...If Ivory gets hurt then so be it..but we know he will get yards...and yes if Bush can be subjected to criticism then so can Ingram...Remember Reggie was lights out his rookie season...there was nobody *****in then...

halloween 65 · 11-14-2011, 08:23 PM

I think they are saving Ivory for the giants game. He should be more than ready. Ingram will be fine he is running where he is told to run,his vision and production will come. As far as Ivory he also runs where he is told,just with authority.

11-14-2011, 06:38 PM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Originally Posted by saintfan Nothing like a good conspiracy theory. I don't think Payton favors his draft picks over players who perform. Sincerely, Antonio Pittman Budsdrinker likes this.

11-14-2011, 07:31 PM	#14
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by SaintsBro I am not ragging on him per se, but it is pretty obvious that ivory looks world-beater GREAT against teams that are especially weak against the run (like when he ran completely wild all over the Tampa Bay defense a year ago) and then he distinctly looks kinda not-as-good against teams that are more stout against the run, like the Atlanta game where he fumbled and went out with an injury. It's why he always looks so good in preseason too. But put him against a defense like the Steelers or Rams (when the Rams were playing a really physical game) and he looks not nearly as insanely good as people sometimes seem to believe he is, based on people's reactions to the occasional preseason games where he runs absolutely wild like a Tasmanian devil. He is pretty good but maybe not THAT good. I think it was a setup -- they had no intention of running much against Atlanta, and all that talk at the podium during the week about "we've got to really work to establish the run" was just a smokescreen. I sure fell for it. Would any other backs run wild?...he ran for 67 against Tampa this year..and was part of our best output this year running the ball.. I have a feeling if Ivory was a first round pick..he would be liked more...just a hunch..

11-14-2011, 08:15 PM	#19
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by subguy The irony is most of these folks raggin' on a lack of production followed Bush and cried like baby girls when he was released. Ingram is a rookie...not one of our backs this season has had an opportunity to be a showcase runner. Bush had opportunities and never could perform as a showcase runner. They are rotating among 3-4 rb's no one will get big production. The reason Sproles is geeting the production is he is the most versatile, followed by PT. The most ipmortant stats to look at when there are sooo many rb's sharing the workload is YPC, total yards in a rotation such as this it is not a telling stat. Subguy..i think we just want to see more of Ingram...Bush on a losing team has more yards rushing so far.. I like Ingram i mean dam he was a 1 one pick...but the young man has to step up...or if not... then whats wrong with Ivory getting some more time...he has produced for us...why not let him till Ingram gets the speed of thr NFL down...we only have some much time to dabble around with him..Ingram had off season with the team..preseason and now all this year...Im not giving up on him yet....but i dont think we have to when we have Ivory and P.T to handle most of the tough yards...If Ivory gets hurt then so be it..but we know he will get yards...and yes if Bush can be subjected to criticism then so can Ingram...Remember Reggie was lights out his rookie season...there was nobody *****in then...
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	I think they are saving Ivory for the giants game. He should be more than ready. Ingram will be fine he is running where he is told to run,his vision and production will come. As far as Ivory he also runs where he is told,just with authority. strato likes this.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	I am not ragging on him per se, but it is pretty obvious that ivory looks world-beater GREAT against teams that are especially weak against the run (like when he ran completely wild all over the Tampa Bay defense a year ago) and then he distinctly looks kinda not-as-good against teams that are more stout against the run, like the Atlanta game where he fumbled and went out with an injury. It's why he always looks so good in preseason too. But put him against a defense like the Steelers or Rams (when the Rams were playing a really physical game) and he looks not nearly as insanely good as people sometimes seem to believe he is, based on people's reactions to the occasional preseason games where he runs absolutely wild like a Tasmanian devil. He is pretty good but maybe not THAT good. I think it was a setup -- they had no intention of running much against Atlanta, and all that talk at the podium during the week about "we've got to really work to establish the run" was just a smokescreen. I sure fell for it.

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pumpkindriver 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Killeen, Tx. Posts: 932	Ya know, until our run blocking improves which I don't think its going to this season, none of our backs are going to be very effective. Ivory plays good but he can't stay healthy, PT runs hard too. Ingram isn't doing much so far imo, and at this point in the season you can't chalk it up to being a rookie anymore.

11-14-2011, 08:06 PM	#16
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	The irony is most of these folks raggin' on a lack of production in Ingram followed Bush thorughout his career here and cried like baby girls when he was released. Ingram is a rookie...not one of our backs this season has had an opportunity to be a showcase runner. Bush had opportunities and never could perform as a showcase runner. They are rotating among 3-4 rb's no one will get big production. The reason Sproles is getting the production is he is the most versatile, followed by PT. The most important stat to look at when there are sooo many rb's sharing the workload is yards per carry, total rushing yards in a rotation such as this it is not a telling stat. Also, as I previously stated Sproles and PT contribute in receiving yards, not sure but I do not recall Ivory catching a pass. Everyone knows Ingram is a north-south runner and probably never going to be a receiving back. I would say Ivory is the 4th back as it should be. In a previous thread I posted regarding the injury plagued football career Ivory has had including his college career. I like all of our backs and I like the fact we have the best backfield in the NFL but I refuse to give Ivory mad props when they aren't deserved.

11-14-2011, 08:11 PM	#17
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	I love you Ivory fans. The smallest amount of production from him and he's "the greatest".

11-14-2011, 08:13 PM	#18
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	No way!!!! Cmon!! Lmao!