Lions Coach Schwartz blames officials

Boutte · 01-08-2012, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ashley

What else could he say? Nothing

How about something like,

Congratulations to the Saints. They played a great game and won a hard fought victory.

I'm dissappointed with the loss but I'm proud of my guys for a giving it all they had in a difficult situation. Now it's time to move on and start working on making our team better next year.

Something like that? Instead of sounding like a whining little ****.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-08-2012, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Bigdawg

Problem with this call is the ball has to be inside the pylon. The point of the ball hit the pylon and therefore never crossed the plane inbounds. Last time I looked the pylon is on the ob edge not in the field of play.

Actually, the pylon is considered the endzone. Touching the pylon is as good as breaking the plane.

homerj07 · 01-08-2012, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Nope.
The whistle blew before the ball even hit the ground. As a result, the entire Saints team stopped playing. If no whistle had blown, I doubt the entire Saints team would've just stood there and watch the Lions score.

This point was made by the talking heads - Yes they would have more yards BUT not a TD

BOLTS4LIFE · 01-08-2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Crying after the game, Schwartz blames officials for lack of holding calls and quick whistles for part of the outcome.

Loser.

That's Lame!

OK, that quick whistle after the Brees fumble sucked, but they still had an extra opportunity to get it into the endzone. I also did see a face mask on the Saints that was not called.

BUT, neither of these had anything to do with the Lions defense unable to force the Saints to punt not once in the game!

Schwartz should be happy with the success he's had this season and look towards going further next season!

subguy · 01-09-2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

He is a fool, and with those tight pants a possible homo

I hate to say I noticed the pants too...

subguy · 01-09-2012, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I didn't see the refs as a factor in the game and if Schwartz implied they were, he should be ashamed, but in his defense, it sounded to me more like he was blaming our own defense, which he should. Football's about blocking & tackling, we didn't tackle.

This attitude/perception permeating throughout the Lions really bothers me and I do see Coach Schwartz as a source of some of lack of mental toughness on the Lions. He's done a great job with the team, but there's a lot of room for improvement in this very important area of the team because players like Suh & Young follow his lead.

Oh well, it's not about the Lions anymore, you guys saw to that . . . congrats . . . I thoroughly enjoyed the LiveChat and best of luck the rest of the way. Black & Gold is a class act and HOF in my book.

gone fishin'.

I think Schwartz has done a good job, but it always appears he codones a thug attitude. I don't look at him as a great leader as much as I do an instigator. The Lions had a good year so I guess it works

skymike · 01-09-2012, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

But the whistle blew right when the ball hit the ground, BEFORE anyone had possession, which caused the entire Saints team to stop playing.

In reality, they didn't get screwed, because the original call was an incomplete pass... on the contrary, the referee corrected the call, which was the right thing to do. That in Schwartz's mind that should have been a scoop and score, that's another matter, but if the whistle doesn't blow, the entire Saints team goes for that ball, and who knows what would've happened.

excellent. glad you made that point, Toby. I'll bet Bushrod makes another TD saving tackle.

SloMotion · 01-09-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

I think Schwartz has done a good job, but it always appears he codones a thug attitude. I don't look at him as a great leader as much as I do an instigator. The Lions had a good year so I guess it works

Yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell ... he's done a fantastic job with the team, but there are some definite maturity/attitude issues with the team that correlate directly with the leadership and coaching. Can't say as I speak for all Detroit fans, but I think I'm inline with the rest of the football world with my assessment of Schwartz. I'd like to see a little more discipline and composure on the team.

go Lions.

Choupique · 01-09-2012, 12:08 PM

The thing I did like about the Lions is the underdog status and the long shot team they've been all season. I admit I like an underdog.

I don't like the character of some of the staff and players, however.

If Suh wouldv'e tried to stomp on Brees or one of our players,
the outcome on the field would have been far different, is my guess.

That chest bumping / post game handshake episode and whining like a beatch after the Saints shellacked the Lions, proves a lot about your coach. You seem like a human, but he seems like a douchewagon.

I'd fire his arse.

SloMotion · 01-09-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Choupique

The thing I did like about the Lions is the underdog status and the long shot team they've been all season. I admit I like an underdog.

I don't like the character of some of the staff and players, however.

If Suh wouldv'e tried to stomp on Brees or one of our players,
the outcome on the field would have been far different, is my guess.

That chest bumping / post game handshake episode and whining like a beatch after the Saints shellacked the Lions, proves a lot about your coach. You seem like a human, but he seems like a douchewagon.

I'd fire his arse.

It's not up to me, but if it was, I wouldn't necessarily fire him . . . the man's got skills . . . I'd take him and a few players aside and give them a period of instruction in good ol' fashioned leadership principles & traits, and then I'd supervise. And don't think I haven't already contacted the team more then once to offer my services . . . at no charge. As a former Marine Corps NCO and combat veteran, I think I'm more then qualified to address that issue with the team. I've handled plenty of young kids in high profile, stressful situations, it's the same all-around . . . handling prima-donna, overpaid, professional athletes would be a walk in the park ... but I think my PTSD is starting to kick in, so I gotta' go.

go Lions.

01-08-2012, 01:44 PM	#51
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Originally Posted by Ashley What else could he say? Nothing How about something like, Congratulations to the Saints. They played a great game and won a hard fought victory. I'm dissappointed with the loss but I'm proud of my guys for a giving it all they had in a difficult situation. Now it's time to move on and start working on making our team better next year. Something like that? Instead of sounding like a whining little ****.

01-08-2012, 01:45 PM	#52
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by Bigdawg Problem with this call is the ball has to be inside the pylon. The point of the ball hit the pylon and therefore never crossed the plane inbounds. Last time I looked the pylon is on the ob edge not in the field of play. Actually, the pylon is considered the endzone. Touching the pylon is as good as breaking the plane.

01-08-2012, 06:39 PM	#53
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Nope. The whistle blew before the ball even hit the ground. As a result, the entire Saints team stopped playing. If no whistle had blown, I doubt the entire Saints team would've just stood there and watch the Lions score. This point was made by the talking heads - Yes they would have more yards BUT not a TD

01-08-2012, 10:01 PM	#54
BOLTS4LIFE OUR NEW REGIME! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 564	Originally Posted by xan Crying after the game, Schwartz blames officials for lack of holding calls and quick whistles for part of the outcome. Loser. That's Lame! OK, that quick whistle after the Brees fumble sucked, but they still had an extra opportunity to get it into the endzone. I also did see a face mask on the Saints that was not called. BUT, neither of these had anything to do with the Lions defense unable to force the Saints to punt not once in the game! Schwartz should be happy with the success he's had this season and look towards going further next season!

01-09-2012, 06:48 AM	#55
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,092	Originally Posted by spkb25 He is a fool, and with those tight pants a possible homo I hate to say I noticed the pants too...

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01-09-2012, 06:53 AM	#56
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,092	Originally Posted by SloMotion I didn't see the refs as a factor in the game and if Schwartz implied they were, he should be ashamed, but in his defense, it sounded to me more like he was blaming our own defense, which he should. Football's about blocking & tackling, we didn't tackle. This attitude/perception permeating throughout the Lions really bothers me and I do see Coach Schwartz as a source of some of lack of mental toughness on the Lions. He's done a great job with the team, but there's a lot of room for improvement in this very important area of the team because players like Suh & Young follow his lead. Oh well, it's not about the Lions anymore, you guys saw to that . . . congrats . . . I thoroughly enjoyed the LiveChat and best of luck the rest of the way. Black & Gold is a class act and HOF in my book. gone fishin'. I think Schwartz has done a good job, but it always appears he codones a thug attitude. I don't look at him as a great leader as much as I do an instigator. The Lions had a good year so I guess it works

01-09-2012, 07:07 AM	#57
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper But the whistle blew right when the ball hit the ground, BEFORE anyone had possession, which caused the entire Saints team to stop playing. In reality, they didn't get screwed, because the original call was an incomplete pass... on the contrary, the referee corrected the call, which was the right thing to do. That in Schwartz's mind that should have been a scoop and score, that's another matter, but if the whistle doesn't blow, the entire Saints team goes for that ball, and who knows what would've happened. excellent. glad you made that point, Toby. I'll bet Bushrod makes another TD saving tackle.

01-09-2012, 11:57 AM	#58
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by subguy I think Schwartz has done a good job, but it always appears he codones a thug attitude. I don't look at him as a great leader as much as I do an instigator. The Lions had a good year so I guess it works Yeah, that's pretty much it in a nutshell ... he's done a fantastic job with the team, but there are some definite maturity/attitude issues with the team that correlate directly with the leadership and coaching. Can't say as I speak for all Detroit fans, but I think I'm inline with the rest of the football world with my assessment of Schwartz. I'd like to see a little more discipline and composure on the team. go Lions. Choupique likes this.

01-09-2012, 12:08 PM	#59
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	The thing I did like about the Lions is the underdog status and the long shot team they've been all season. I admit I like an underdog. I don't like the character of some of the staff and players, however. If Suh wouldv'e tried to stomp on Brees or one of our players, the outcome on the field would have been far different, is my guess. That chest bumping / post game handshake episode and whining like a beatch after the Saints shellacked the Lions, proves a lot about your coach. You seem like a human, but he seems like a douchewagon. I'd fire his arse.
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01-09-2012, 12:21 PM	#60
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Originally Posted by Choupique The thing I did like about the Lions is the underdog status and the long shot team they've been all season. I admit I like an underdog. I don't like the character of some of the staff and players, however. If Suh wouldv'e tried to stomp on Brees or one of our players, the outcome on the field would have been far different, is my guess. That chest bumping / post game handshake episode and whining like a beatch after the Saints shellacked the Lions, proves a lot about your coach. You seem like a human, but he seems like a douchewagon. I'd fire his arse. It's not up to me, but if it was, I wouldn't necessarily fire him . . . the man's got skills . . . I'd take him and a few players aside and give them a period of instruction in good ol' fashioned leadership principles & traits, and then I'd supervise. And don't think I haven't already contacted the team more then once to offer my services . . . at no charge. As a former Marine Corps NCO and combat veteran, I think I'm more then qualified to address that issue with the team. I've handled plenty of young kids in high profile, stressful situations, it's the same all-around . . . handling prima-donna, overpaid, professional athletes would be a walk in the park ... but I think my PTSD is starting to kick in, so I gotta' go. go Lions.

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