Keyou is Hungry

saintfan · 04-15-2004, 04:02 PM

I think it should be noted that 1 player (Turley) said this team is a mickey mouse organization.

This is the point I\'ve been trying to make in this thread. I\'m still waiting for a quote from someone else (former Saints player) that said it. I\'ll be waiting a while I guess.

Danno · 04-15-2004, 04:10 PM

I think it should be noted that 1 player (Turley) said this team is a mickey mouse organization.

This is the point I\'ve been trying to make in this thread. I\'m still waiting for a quote from someone else (former Saints player) that said it. I\'ll be waiting a while I guess.

And it should also be noted that two of his teammates have now left that stellar organization to come to New Orleans.

whowatches · 04-15-2004, 04:25 PM

Wanted to stay out of this one cause I\'ve got too many damn papers to grade... but I\'m like Pacino in Godfather III.

1.

quote:
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Hmmm, I think Mickey is in St Louis and Goofy is in Green Bay.
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Hmmmm, well I think that Huey, Dewey and Louie started for us at linebacker last year.

Very funny. I laughed out loud and scared my class. Thanks for that.

2. Creed is our defensive line in 02; Pearl Jam is Warrick Dunn.

3. Gator, good to see ya. This place has missed ya.

4. I could kick Craver\'s rear-end in Madden.

5. May I please borrow the Lord Bong for a weekend?

[Edited on 15/4/2004 by whowatches]

WhoDat · 04-15-2004, 05:23 PM

\"NEW ORLEANS ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â Seven-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman Willie Roaf says he has irreconcilable differences with New Orleans coach Jim Haslett and would rather retire than play for the Saints. \"

http://bengals.enquirer.com/2002/02/...e_roaf_to.html

Google - took 2 seconds.

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Things were said between Coach and myself that I don\'t want to talk about,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Roaf said. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“But let me clear up one thing: I want to play football next season, and I will do my best to play football next season. If I\'m not released, then I will retire. That\'s the worst-case scenario. The best-case scenario is that I\'m in a training camp with another team.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

Roaf said he would be willing to play elsewhere next season for $750,000, the minimum NFL salary for a 10-year veteran.

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“All I want is what they owe me ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â $1.4 million ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â and then I\'ll go on my merry way,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Roaf said.

I\'m at work at the moment and don\'t have a ton of time to research all of this, but I found that inside of 30 seconds. Roaf doesn\'t say a word about his wife, Joe Horn, other players... he said JIM HASLETT. A seven-time Pro Bowler (9 now I think) said he would play for the league minimum to get out of NO and if he was forced to stay he would retire. You\'re right, it\'s just Turley. More to come Saintfan, more to come.

saintfan · 04-15-2004, 05:26 PM

There was quite obviously a personal clash between the two Whodat, but I don\'t see anything in there about the Saints being a \"Mickey Mouse\" organization or Jim\'s ability to coach a football team. Do you? Roaf wanted out...no doubt about it, but the \"why\" is what neither of us will likey ever know.

Boogro · 04-15-2004, 05:30 PM

Roaf said his recent problems with the Saints are due in part to his decision to rehabilitate his knee away from the team.

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“I haven\'t talked to Willie in three months despite repeated attempts to get in touch with him,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Haslett said Thursday. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“We wanted him to work out here under the guidance of our training staff like other injured players.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

Roaf said he was fined $53,000 at the end of the season. Haslett said the fine was levied because Roaf was not participating in supervised workouts.

Haslett said the team had ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“tried to open the lines of communication with Willie several times over the last three months, to no avail. And our message has always been the same. We want to help him get back to full speed.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

-Above is apart of the article you just posted. I\'d be on Haslett\'s side myself. I would want my top lineman rehabbing with my trainers at my facilities.

WhoDat · 04-15-2004, 05:31 PM

Also... real quick.

La\'Roi Glover on Dallas:

\"I didn\'t feel the same feeling as when I walked in the doors here,\"
Glover said, who has played in New Orleans the past five seasons after
spending his rookie season in Oakland.

http://lists.rollanet.org/pipermail/...11/025923.html

Will get more when I have the chance.

WhoDat · 04-15-2004, 05:37 PM

There was quite obviously a personal clash between the two Whodat, but I don\'t see anything in there about the Saints being a \"Mickey Mouse\" organization or Jim\'s ability to coach a football team. Do you? Roaf wanted out...no doubt about it, but the \"why\" is what neither of us will likey ever know.

First of all, I said in an earlier post that Turley was the only one to actually use the words Mickey Mouse, but that others had bad things to say about the organization. If you are looking for those two words Saintfan, and are going to discount everything else as baseless, well, then I hope if I\'m ever in court you\'re on my jury, b/c you\'d need live streaming video of the event to convict me.

Secondly, spin things however you want. You don\'t hear players talking badly about Green Bay after they leave. When players talk about a coach, or a GM it reflects on the organization. The Raiders are Mickey Mouse right now b/c AL DAVIS has lost his marbles. That\'s not saying everyone there is an idiot, but there are players who have reservations about playing there. Just like there were players who had reservations about playing in Cincinnati for a long time. Believe it or not, even with these guys, money isn\'t all that matters. The ability to win and the expectation that they will be treated fairly and life will be enjoyable does factor in. To say it doesn\'t is foolish or naieve.

saintfan · 04-15-2004, 05:56 PM

You predictably picked Roaf, the most unhappy human being on the planet at the time Whodat. We STILL don\'t know the whole story, and we never will. My point is that you\'re speculating. Did it (his leaving) have anything at all to do with Football? We will never know.

I\'m quite sure other players have left their respective team due to a personality conflict -- wouldn\'t you agree? Go find Joe Johnson\'s commens. Go find La\'Roi\'s comments. I\'m anxious to see what you dig up. While you\'re at it why don\'t you post Joe Horn\'s apology for his comments too. That way we\'ll get a FULL perspective on the situation rather than my assesment or the opinion held by you and Gator.

If we were to assume the Saints as a \"mickey mouse\" organization (which I definately do not) then hasn\'t it always been -- or is it just since Haz became the coach that you\'ve developed this opinion? More to the point is it Turley\'s attitude and Roaf\'s inability to get his house in order that has you thinking this way?... or are you just defending Gatorman cause he\'s your bud?

And what of the players Danno listed earlier? Why would those guys leave the Class of the league (according to Turley) to come ot New Orleans? Wouldn\'t they, too, rather retire or play for the league minimum than play for the Saints? I\'m not spinnin\' a thing Whodat...you\'re the spin doctor here.

saintfan · 04-15-2004, 06:01 PM

While Glover ate dinner Monday night with defensive end Greg Ellis and
safety Darren Woodson, Jones and agent Tom Condron hammered out the
details of the contract.

By doing so, the Cowboys saw to it that Glover would not visit any other
clubs. He had already visited Cleveland and Arizona.

\"I didn\'t feel the same feeling as when I walked in the doors here,\"
Glover said, who has played in New Orleans the past five seasons after
spending his rookie season in Oakland.

See YOU see that as La\'Roi takin\' a parting shot at the Saints -- but I see that as La\'Roi speaking about Cleveland and Arizona. Anyone else wanna jump in here? Am I misreading this article or is the \"spin doctor\" tryin\' to pull another fast one?

04-15-2004, 04:02 PM	#61
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Keyou is Hungry I think it should be noted that 1 player (Turley) said this team is a mickey mouse organization. This is the point I\'ve been trying to make in this thread. I\'m still waiting for a quote from someone else (former Saints player) that said it. I\'ll be waiting a while I guess.

04-15-2004, 04:10 PM	#62
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Keyou is Hungry I think it should be noted that 1 player (Turley) said this team is a mickey mouse organization. This is the point I\'ve been trying to make in this thread. I\'m still waiting for a quote from someone else (former Saints player) that said it. I\'ll be waiting a while I guess. And it should also be noted that two of his teammates have now left that stellar organization to come to New Orleans.

04-15-2004, 04:25 PM	#63
whowatches 500th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 575	Keyou is Hungry Wanted to stay out of this one cause I\'ve got too many damn papers to grade... but I\'m like Pacino in Godfather III. 1. quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm, I think Mickey is in St Louis and Goofy is in Green Bay. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmmm, well I think that Huey, Dewey and Louie started for us at linebacker last year. Very funny. I laughed out loud and scared my class. Thanks for that. 2. Creed is our defensive line in 02; Pearl Jam is Warrick Dunn. 3. Gator, good to see ya. This place has missed ya. 4. I could kick Craver\'s rear-end in Madden. 5. May I please borrow the Lord Bong for a weekend? [Edited on 15/4/2004 by whowatches]
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04-15-2004, 05:23 PM	#64
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Keyou is Hungry \"NEW ORLEANS ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â Seven-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman Willie Roaf says he has irreconcilable differences with New Orleans coach Jim Haslett and would rather retire than play for the Saints. \" http://bengals.enquirer.com/2002/02/...e_roaf_to.html Google - took 2 seconds. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“Things were said between Coach and myself that I don\'t want to talk about,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Roaf said. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“But let me clear up one thing: I want to play football next season, and I will do my best to play football next season. If I\'m not released, then I will retire. That\'s the worst-case scenario. The best-case scenario is that I\'m in a training camp with another team.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Roaf said he would be willing to play elsewhere next season for $750,000, the minimum NFL salary for a 10-year veteran. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“All I want is what they owe me ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â $1.4 million ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â€Â and then I\'ll go on my merry way,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Roaf said. I\'m at work at the moment and don\'t have a ton of time to research all of this, but I found that inside of 30 seconds. Roaf doesn\'t say a word about his wife, Joe Horn, other players... he said JIM HASLETT. A seven-time Pro Bowler (9 now I think) said he would play for the league minimum to get out of NO and if he was forced to stay he would retire. You\'re right, it\'s just Turley. More to come Saintfan, more to come.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

04-15-2004, 05:26 PM	#65
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Keyou is Hungry There was quite obviously a personal clash between the two Whodat, but I don\'t see anything in there about the Saints being a \"Mickey Mouse\" organization or Jim\'s ability to coach a football team. Do you? Roaf wanted out...no doubt about it, but the \"why\" is what neither of us will likey ever know.

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04-15-2004, 05:30 PM	#66
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Keyou is Hungry Roaf said his recent problems with the Saints are due in part to his decision to rehabilitate his knee away from the team. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“I haven\'t talked to Willie in three months despite repeated attempts to get in touch with him,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Haslett said Thursday. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“We wanted him to work out here under the guidance of our training staff like other injured players.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Roaf said he was fined $53,000 at the end of the season. Haslett said the fine was levied because Roaf was not participating in supervised workouts. Haslett said the team had ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“tried to open the lines of communication with Willie several times over the last three months, to no avail. And our message has always been the same. We want to help him get back to full speed.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? -Above is apart of the article you just posted. I\'d be on Haslett\'s side myself. I would want my top lineman rehabbing with my trainers at my facilities.

04-15-2004, 05:31 PM	#67
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Keyou is Hungry Also... real quick. La\'Roi Glover on Dallas: \"I didn\'t feel the same feeling as when I walked in the doors here,\" Glover said, who has played in New Orleans the past five seasons after spending his rookie season in Oakland. http://lists.rollanet.org/pipermail/...11/025923.html Will get more when I have the chance.
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04-15-2004, 05:37 PM	#68
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Keyou is Hungry There was quite obviously a personal clash between the two Whodat, but I don\'t see anything in there about the Saints being a \"Mickey Mouse\" organization or Jim\'s ability to coach a football team. Do you? Roaf wanted out...no doubt about it, but the \"why\" is what neither of us will likey ever know. First of all, I said in an earlier post that Turley was the only one to actually use the words Mickey Mouse, but that others had bad things to say about the organization. If you are looking for those two words Saintfan, and are going to discount everything else as baseless, well, then I hope if I\'m ever in court you\'re on my jury, b/c you\'d need live streaming video of the event to convict me. Secondly, spin things however you want. You don\'t hear players talking badly about Green Bay after they leave. When players talk about a coach, or a GM it reflects on the organization. The Raiders are Mickey Mouse right now b/c AL DAVIS has lost his marbles. That\'s not saying everyone there is an idiot, but there are players who have reservations about playing there. Just like there were players who had reservations about playing in Cincinnati for a long time. Believe it or not, even with these guys, money isn\'t all that matters. The ability to win and the expectation that they will be treated fairly and life will be enjoyable does factor in. To say it doesn\'t is foolish or naieve.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

04-15-2004, 05:56 PM	#69
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Keyou is Hungry You predictably picked Roaf, the most unhappy human being on the planet at the time Whodat. We STILL don\'t know the whole story, and we never will. My point is that you\'re speculating. Did it (his leaving) have anything at all to do with Football? We will never know. I\'m quite sure other players have left their respective team due to a personality conflict -- wouldn\'t you agree? Go find Joe Johnson\'s commens. Go find La\'Roi\'s comments. I\'m anxious to see what you dig up. While you\'re at it why don\'t you post Joe Horn\'s apology for his comments too. That way we\'ll get a FULL perspective on the situation rather than my assesment or the opinion held by you and Gator. If we were to assume the Saints as a \"mickey mouse\" organization (which I definately do not) then hasn\'t it always been -- or is it just since Haz became the coach that you\'ve developed this opinion? More to the point is it Turley\'s attitude and Roaf\'s inability to get his house in order that has you thinking this way?... or are you just defending Gatorman cause he\'s your bud? And what of the players Danno listed earlier? Why would those guys leave the Class of the league (according to Turley) to come ot New Orleans? Wouldn\'t they, too, rather retire or play for the league minimum than play for the Saints? I\'m not spinnin\' a thing Whodat...you\'re the spin doctor here.
	C'mon Man...

04-15-2004, 06:01 PM	#70
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Keyou is Hungry While Glover ate dinner Monday night with defensive end Greg Ellis and safety Darren Woodson, Jones and agent Tom Condron hammered out the details of the contract. By doing so, the Cowboys saw to it that Glover would not visit any other clubs. He had already visited Cleveland and Arizona. \"I didn\'t feel the same feeling as when I walked in the doors here,\" Glover said, who has played in New Orleans the past five seasons after spending his rookie season in Oakland. See YOU see that as La\'Roi takin\' a parting shot at the Saints -- but I see that as La\'Roi speaking about Cleveland and Arizona. Anyone else wanna jump in here? Am I misreading this article or is the \"spin doctor\" tryin\' to pull another fast one?