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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I think Haslett\'s players don\'t play for him for some reason or another. Ok, I don\'t agree. Which players \"Don\'t Play For Him\"? The whole \"Mickey Mouse\" organization comment has come up quite a bit. Ok. By Whom...other than Kyle ...
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04-08-2004, 01:28 PM | #11 |
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At this time you think (a) there is no talent on the Saints Roster (and you blame Haz for this) and (b) even if there was talent on the Roster Haz couldn\'t coach it. I happen to disagree on both counts. |
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04-08-2004, 05:07 PM | #12 |
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I disagree on the former as well, but not the latter.
Let\'s assume you\'re right Saintfan. Let\'s assume this team is talented and Jim can coach. Why the .500 seasons for the last 3 years? Why no playoffs? Why performance below expectations? Special circumstances... every year for three straight years? When does special circumstances no longer become a valid argument and results are demanded or else? This season? Next? In three? Five? Bottom line - at some point, all that othre crap stops mattering. You see a coach that has gotten everything he wanted who still doesn\'t have a team capable of, or performing at, the level that is expected. He has to go. IMO, he\'s got this season, and he should feel lucky to have it. He damn well better make the best of it or he\'s done in NO and probably not going to be a head coach anywhere again any time soon. [Edited on 8/4/2004 by WhoDat] |
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04-08-2004, 05:22 PM | #13 |
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I agree with WhoDat
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04-09-2004, 09:29 AM | #14 |
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Gatorman, the more you try and explian why you hate Haz, the less factual you become. I could type here forever providing examples of good coaches that compare favoribly to Jim Haslett but what good will it do? You\'ve convinced yourself. This is fine.
However: Don\'t insinuate this or that or the other and then get pissy when someone (me) calls you on it ok? I\'ve read where Kyle Turley (obviously upset for a variety of reasons) called the Saints a \"mickey mouse organization\" and THAT\'S IT. YOU stated the whole mickey mouse organization stuff \"Has come up quite a bit\" did you not? Define \"quite a bit\" for me before you ask me to prove otherwise...k?
Bad luck isn\'t an excuse -- we agree there -- but it\'s a factor. If you don\'t think so then I\'m not sure what to tell you. No since in my trying to convince you. I know better. Who\'s making Haslett a skapegoat? Well, you\'d be one. And by the way circumstantial evidence is just that...circumstantial. And why is it you always put a legal tilt on your argument. Are you studying to become a laywer? Dude, you can disagree all you want. That\'s your right (legally speaking of course). We happen to be on different sides of the fence.
Finally, in the spirit of a good debate, I\'m not bein\' hostile to ya Gatorman. We disagree...and heaven knows that\'s nothing new. I hope and pray you\'re wrong because I like Haz. I think he\'s a good coach and I think the Saints are a good team moving up.
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04-09-2004, 11:35 AM | #15 |
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As to the Mickey Mouse argument, it\'s basically not worth arguing with you. Any player who speaks out against the Saints gets shipped off and you contribute their words to the \'disgrunted player\' tag. Kyle Turley spoke out WHILE he was a Saint. Joe Horn spoke out about the organization WHILE on the team. Roaf, Rickey Williams, Glover, Johnson... all spoke out against the organization. They might not have explicitly called the organization \'Mickey Mouse\', but they certainly alluded to bigger problems. That combined with some questionable offseason moves, underperforming teams, locker room cancers, late or early season collapses, the inability to perform consistently, etc, etc, etc... and it is reasonable for a person to say there\'s trouble in River City. But if you disagree, show me where one player OTHER than Aaron Brooks had favorable comments about the coaches and organization after being with the team in season. What players say when they sign doesn\'t count, b/c they have no experience with the team at that point. I\'m just trying to understand your argument Saintfan. Is it that Haslett has a young team (by his own making), of talented players with lots of POTENTIAL, and he\'s just had bad luck? All of these guys are going to come around and the Saints are going to be great for years to come? That\'s a really nice thought, but show me a comparison of players who have developed under haslett vs those who have not. Then tell me all of these maybes will work out. And AGAIN, how long before you demand results? What if the Saints go 7-9 this season Saintfan? Would you fire Haslett then? |
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04-09-2004, 11:42 AM | #16 |
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T-rex had some really good things to say about the Saints and Haz.
If the Saints go 7-9???? IF IF IF... What if we lose Deuce, Aaron, and Howard in the 1st game? Then lose Grant, Bentley and Gandy in game 2? The lose Thomas, Horn, Stallworth and Jones in Game 3? And the Saints finish 7-9? Yea, I\'d say he should be kept. If we stay healthy (relative to the NFL average) then no, 7-9 won\'t cut it. |
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And IF they all get hurt again next year? And the year after? And the year after that?
Maybe Saintfan is right. Haslett is just like Ike in Tombstone. He\'s just unlucky. Well maybe football isn\'t his game. I know, why don\'t we try a spelling bee? Fine, Haslett is a great coach with terrible luck. Either way the team is suffering as a result of his ineptitude or bad luck. Bottom line is no playoffs. Let\'s go find another coach with a four-leaf clover behind his ear and a rabbit foot up his a$$. Then poor Jim Haslett\'s bad luck couldn\'t hurt us anymore. [Edited on 9/4/2004 by WhoDat] |
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04-09-2004, 03:53 PM | #19 |
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As usual, I will answer your questions b/c I can. Maybe this time you\'ll answer some of mine.
Now, are you ready to answer any of my questions? Can you? I won\'t bother retyping them, they\'re all in the posts above. You know what they are, you expertly skirt them with each new post. Go ahead, take a shot at one or two of them. You can do it. |
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04-09-2004, 05:01 PM | #20 |
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