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WhoDat · 04-09-2004, 06:33 PM

Fun, fun, fun.

My grounds Whodat, are my opinions. That is all. I don\'t try and support my opinion via the myths you and Gatorman and Saintz08 attempt to verify your OPINIONS with. Again, there is a LARGE difference. It\'s not your opinions whodat, its that you attempt to force-feed the rest of us with nonesense in an attempt to vaildate them.

Myths? Nonsense? I\'m using results, statistics, comments made by players, the media, etc. to support my opinion. And no where did I say I was right. I said it was my opinion. By your own statements, you seem to support your opinion with little more than pixie dust and Who Tang. You get into Billy\'s supply there did ya? Good argument. He\'s a good coach b/c I say so and I don\'t need anything else to support that.

Ok, point taken. Now tell me who all these disgruntled players are. Other than Kyle Turley who\'s doing the talking beside you and Gatorman? Understand yet? Gator tosses up the Mickey Mouse statement by Turley and insinuates it\'s being said over and over again by people and acts as if I must have missed it. Who are they Whodat, and you and 08 don\'t count.

If you read my posts you\'d know. Off the top of my head this morning I gave you a list of five PRO BOWLERS and one other starter who spoke out against this organization: \"Kyle Turley spoke out WHILE he was a Saint. Joe Horn spoke out about the organization WHILE on the team. Roaf, Rickey Williams, Glover, Johnson... all spoke out against the organization. \"

I still haven\'t seen your list of players who have had good things to say about the team while on it or after they left. Is that coming anytime soon? LMAO.

Which players are you comparing these guys to? Who\'s their coach and how is their coach making them better players. Any other players on the Saints roster you care to bring up where you might be able to make a FAIR comparison? Get it yet?

I\'m comparing them to other linebackers in the league. These guys are basically trash up to date. You want to make a \'fair\' comparison? Go ahead. You suggest a player and we will compare him to whomever you like. You have about 3 or 4 guys in your bag Saintfan. You\'ve got Aaron, Deuce, Horn, and Bentley. I have the rest of the freakin\' team, but go ahead, suggest a guy to compare and who you would rate him against.

When you say \"tough\" and \"a players coach\" and then ask me how I know you are inferring that I said those things. I didn\'t. How does it feel to be busted.

It might feel bad to be busted, had you busted me. Unfortunately, you didn\'t. You see, I didn\'t ever claim you said those things. If I did, please show me the inference Saintfan. That is what he has been called in the media, no? Coincidentally, do you disagree with those tags? If so, what type of coach is he Saintfan? Next time you accuse someone of something, be sure you\'ve got the facts straight. Never once did I insinuate in any way that you had said those things. Don\'t worry about finding the quote, I\'ll post it again for you.

\"He\'s SUPPOSED to be tough. He\'s SUPPOSED to be a players coach. He\'s SUPPOSED to be this, that, and the other, but you don\'t play for him. How do you know? Sounds just as \'circumstantial\' as anything Gator is saying. \"

Nowhere in there did I say you said those things. I\'m suggesting that Gator is doing what every person on this board does - taking information from a source (the media/analysts in this case) and applying it as true. You are the one who is always reminding us that we don\'t play for the guy so how do we know that to be true? You discount the media and everyone else who speaks out against Haslett or Brooks as being second-party observers. You discount those who did play for him as disgruntled. Yet you can\'t show any evidence to the contradicts reports in the media or from players\' mouths. Well I just turned your own argument against you and you don\'t even see it. Instead, you think I\'m insinuating you said something. I\'m not suggesting that, nor have I ever.

Hey Saintfan, here\'s an easy one. See if you can skirt it again - $10 says you can.

What if the Saints go 7-9 this season Saintfan? Would you fire Haslett then?

[Edited on 9/4/2004 by WhoDat]

BlackandBlue · 04-09-2004, 06:52 PM

FINALLY!!!! With the influx of new members, this topic is one that has made this ole place feel like home again.

DatFu · 04-09-2004, 06:55 PM

everybody is gettin

saintfan · 04-12-2004, 10:03 AM

What if the Saints go 7-9 this season Saintfan? Would you fire Haslett then?

To steal a line from Danno...\"What if, what if, what if\".

What if they go 12-4 Whodat? You gonna apologize?

Now, lots of players speak out about the team they\'re on or the team they\'ve just left and they do it for a variety of reasons -- usually money (see Kyle Turley) -- you\'d agree or disagree? I don\'t see anything said by any of the previous Saints players you mentioned as an indictment of Jim Haslett. You toss that stuff up in the air Whodat, but it ain\'t sticking. Rather than say this player said this or that player said that, why don\'t you go get some quotes and bring \'em back here and then show me how/why those quotes are a direct reflection on Jim Hasletts ability to coach a football team.

Joe Horn says lots of things...you\'d agree? I seem to recall he apologized too. Rekon why he did that...hmmmmmm ??
Johnson was upset at da Mule was he not? I don\'t think it was Haz. If I\'m wrong, show me I\'m wrong.
What did Glover say? I don\'t recall any quotable quotes from him. Can you find one for me?
Williams? What did he say? I remember his being upset, but then he\'s been a basket case from day one. I do remember that he said some stuff, but I can\'t recall what it was. I seem to think the offense was going in a different direction. The first thing players do when they want out is go public with their \"issues\". See \"TO\" for the model. You don\'t believe everything you read do ya?

Finally, I don\'t have to suggest players with which to make a comparison. This issue is yours Whodat. I issued the challenge to you. You might wanna just put in back in my lap and say, \"No, I won\'t do that, but here, YOU do it\". Nice try, but if you\'re gonna make the assumptions then it\'s up to YOU to prove it...not me. This is how the grownup world works. Ask Gatorman...he\'s the legal begal \'round here!

Gatorman --

A few posts back you said the Saints had NO talent and Haz couldn\'t coach. Then you changed your position and said you DO think the Saints have talent. See my point there? Either you do or you don\'t. And whichever you believe is OK by me, but pick a side of the fence.

Again, to sum up my whole reason for continuing this nonesense I\'ll quote myself from a previous post in this thread...

My grounds Whodat, are my opinions. That is all. I don\'t try and support my opinion via the myths you and Gatorman and Saintz08 attempt to verify your OPINIONS with. Again, there is a LARGE difference. It\'s not your opinions whodat, its that you attempt to force-feed the rest of us with nonesense in an attempt to vaildate them.

I didn\'t say has was a good coach, I said \"I THINK\" he\'s a good coach. That\'s my opinion. You two are quite welcome to think otherwise. My issue with both of you is the inferrences you attempt to make to support your views. I really don\'t care what ya\'ll think about Haz. I does tick me off tho when you guys make broad, general statements and spin \'em as proof when the reality of the situation is the statements you make are as \"up for debate\" as the opinions you\'re trying to prove with \'em. :casstet:

saintz08 · 04-12-2004, 10:59 AM

I didn\'t say has was a good coach, I said \"I THINK\" he\'s a good coach.

Here is one too think on Saintsfan , read it awhile back . Coaches are generally responsible for teaching players technique , execution and position .

In football coaching you hear about the importance of teaching \"fundamentals.\" That\'s because they are important (hence the name \"fundamental\").

\"Fundamentals\" are things like blocking, tackling and holding on to the football. Which brings us to Brooks\' fundamental problem. It\'s one thing to drop the ball when you are getting hit. It\'s another thing to have it spontaneously fly out of your hand like you have a serious muscular disability. Brooks has two modes: (a) extremely talented and (b) worthless. His fumbling and poor pass decisions occur often enough to make him, overall, a very mediocre quarterback. Only a poor coach would fail to recognize this and fail to take some decisive action. The Saints have a poor coach and they don\'t deserve to go to the playoffs

http://www.ernietheattorney.net/erni..._qb_aaron.html

If executing off sides , false starts and air ball incompletions was a positive stat , Haslett would be in the hall of fame rather then the hall of shame ...

saintfan · 04-12-2004, 11:29 AM

I can\'t argue that with you 08, but let me make a point. Think about Tebucky Jones. He has problems making tackles...he improved as the year went on, but I think we\'d all agree there were issues with his fundamentals.

OK, who gets the blame for that? Haz? Jim had him on the roster last year...and that\'s it. Why didn\'t that coach up in New England teach him how to tackle -- and isn\'t he God\'s gift to coaching? What about his coach in college? What about the guy that coached him in High School?

Certain people are far too eager to blame certain other people...that is my opinion, and the above statement is merely an example.

By the way, who are you quoting? \"Earnie the Attorney\"? LOL...ok...so \"Earnie the Attorney\" says Haz can\'t coach and the Saints don\'t deserve to go to the playoffs because Books fumbled the ball? I sometimes have a hard time believing you\'re serious 08.

Maybe if you could quote someone with some credentials I might be more inclined to read it seriously. Is \"Earnie the Attorney\" Gatormans alias? J/K Gator...it was there on the tee -- I had to swing at it!

turbo_dog · 04-12-2004, 02:20 PM

How does he get the pictures in his posts?

Boccal · 04-12-2004, 02:20 PM

Actually, Saintfan ....What if, what if, what if came for Scott Stapp of Creed lol

WhoDat · 04-12-2004, 02:59 PM

You might wanna just put in back in my lap and say, \"No, I won\'t do that, but here, YOU do it\". Nice try, but if you\'re gonna make the assumptions then it\'s up to YOU to prove it...not me.

That\'s interesting that you say that, you\'ve made a living out of doing just that on this site. I gave it back to you in this thread and I still answered more direct questions than you did. Amazing how skewed some perceptions are.

Enough of this - if the Saints go 12-4 I WILL apologize. And when they go 7-9 I\'ll expect to hear more from you about how Haslett is a great coach who just has bad luck. LMAO.

saintfan · 04-12-2004, 03:40 PM

Time will tell Whodat. I\'ve dined on Crow before. So, too, have you. I\'ll meet ya back here in January.

04-09-2004, 06:33 PM	#21
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Keyou is Hungry Fun, fun, fun. My grounds Whodat, are my opinions. That is all. I don\'t try and support my opinion via the myths you and Gatorman and Saintz08 attempt to verify your OPINIONS with. Again, there is a LARGE difference. It\'s not your opinions whodat, its that you attempt to force-feed the rest of us with nonesense in an attempt to vaildate them. Myths? Nonsense? I\'m using results, statistics, comments made by players, the media, etc. to support my opinion. And no where did I say I was right. I said it was my opinion. By your own statements, you seem to support your opinion with little more than pixie dust and Who Tang. You get into Billy\'s supply there did ya? Good argument. He\'s a good coach b/c I say so and I don\'t need anything else to support that. Ok, point taken. Now tell me who all these disgruntled players are. Other than Kyle Turley who\'s doing the talking beside you and Gatorman? Understand yet? Gator tosses up the Mickey Mouse statement by Turley and insinuates it\'s being said over and over again by people and acts as if I must have missed it. Who are they Whodat, and you and 08 don\'t count. If you read my posts you\'d know. Off the top of my head this morning I gave you a list of five PRO BOWLERS and one other starter who spoke out against this organization: \"Kyle Turley spoke out WHILE he was a Saint. Joe Horn spoke out about the organization WHILE on the team. Roaf, Rickey Williams, Glover, Johnson... all spoke out against the organization. \" I still haven\'t seen your list of players who have had good things to say about the team while on it or after they left. Is that coming anytime soon? LMAO. Which players are you comparing these guys to? Who\'s their coach and how is their coach making them better players. Any other players on the Saints roster you care to bring up where you might be able to make a FAIR comparison? Get it yet? I\'m comparing them to other linebackers in the league. These guys are basically trash up to date. You want to make a \'fair\' comparison? Go ahead. You suggest a player and we will compare him to whomever you like. You have about 3 or 4 guys in your bag Saintfan. You\'ve got Aaron, Deuce, Horn, and Bentley. I have the rest of the freakin\' team, but go ahead, suggest a guy to compare and who you would rate him against. When you say \"tough\" and \"a players coach\" and then ask me how I know you are inferring that I said those things. I didn\'t. How does it feel to be busted. It might feel bad to be busted, had you busted me. Unfortunately, you didn\'t. You see, I didn\'t ever claim you said those things. If I did, please show me the inference Saintfan. That is what he has been called in the media, no? Coincidentally, do you disagree with those tags? If so, what type of coach is he Saintfan? Next time you accuse someone of something, be sure you\'ve got the facts straight. Never once did I insinuate in any way that you had said those things. Don\'t worry about finding the quote, I\'ll post it again for you. \"He\'s SUPPOSED to be tough. He\'s SUPPOSED to be a players coach. He\'s SUPPOSED to be this, that, and the other, but you don\'t play for him. How do you know? Sounds just as \'circumstantial\' as anything Gator is saying. \" Nowhere in there did I say you said those things. I\'m suggesting that Gator is doing what every person on this board does - taking information from a source (the media/analysts in this case) and applying it as true. You are the one who is always reminding us that we don\'t play for the guy so how do we know that to be true? You discount the media and everyone else who speaks out against Haslett or Brooks as being second-party observers. You discount those who did play for him as disgruntled. Yet you can\'t show any evidence to the contradicts reports in the media or from players\' mouths. Well I just turned your own argument against you and you don\'t even see it. Instead, you think I\'m insinuating you said something. I\'m not suggesting that, nor have I ever. Hey Saintfan, here\'s an easy one. See if you can skirt it again - $10 says you can. What if the Saints go 7-9 this season Saintfan? Would you fire Haslett then? [Edited on 9/4/2004 by WhoDat]
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04-09-2004, 06:52 PM	#22
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04-12-2004, 10:03 AM	#24
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Keyou is Hungry What if the Saints go 7-9 this season Saintfan? Would you fire Haslett then? To steal a line from Danno...\"What if, what if, what if\". What if they go 12-4 Whodat? You gonna apologize? Now, lots of players speak out about the team they\'re on or the team they\'ve just left and they do it for a variety of reasons -- usually money (see Kyle Turley) -- you\'d agree or disagree? I don\'t see anything said by any of the previous Saints players you mentioned as an indictment of Jim Haslett. You toss that stuff up in the air Whodat, but it ain\'t sticking. Rather than say this player said this or that player said that, why don\'t you go get some quotes and bring \'em back here and then show me how/why those quotes are a direct reflection on Jim Hasletts ability to coach a football team. Joe Horn says lots of things...you\'d agree? I seem to recall he apologized too. Rekon why he did that...hmmmmmm ?? Johnson was upset at da Mule was he not? I don\'t think it was Haz. If I\'m wrong, show me I\'m wrong. What did Glover say? I don\'t recall any quotable quotes from him. Can you find one for me? Williams? What did he say? I remember his being upset, but then he\'s been a basket case from day one. I do remember that he said some stuff, but I can\'t recall what it was. I seem to think the offense was going in a different direction. The first thing players do when they want out is go public with their \"issues\". See \"TO\" for the model. You don\'t believe everything you read do ya? Finally, I don\'t have to suggest players with which to make a comparison. This issue is yours Whodat. I issued the challenge to you. You might wanna just put in back in my lap and say, \"No, I won\'t do that, but here, YOU do it\". Nice try, but if you\'re gonna make the assumptions then it\'s up to YOU to prove it...not me. This is how the grownup world works. Ask Gatorman...he\'s the legal begal \'round here! Gatorman -- A few posts back you said the Saints had NO talent and Haz couldn\'t coach. Then you changed your position and said you DO think the Saints have talent. See my point there? Either you do or you don\'t. And whichever you believe is OK by me, but pick a side of the fence. Again, to sum up my whole reason for continuing this nonesense I\'ll quote myself from a previous post in this thread... My grounds Whodat, are my opinions. That is all. I don\'t try and support my opinion via the myths you and Gatorman and Saintz08 attempt to verify your OPINIONS with. Again, there is a LARGE difference. It\'s not your opinions whodat, its that you attempt to force-feed the rest of us with nonesense in an attempt to vaildate them. I didn\'t say has was a good coach, I said \"I THINK\" he\'s a good coach. That\'s my opinion. You two are quite welcome to think otherwise. My issue with both of you is the inferrences you attempt to make to support your views. I really don\'t care what ya\'ll think about Haz. I does tick me off tho when you guys make broad, general statements and spin \'em as proof when the reality of the situation is the statements you make are as \"up for debate\" as the opinions you\'re trying to prove with \'em. :casstet:
	C'mon Man...

04-12-2004, 10:59 AM	#25
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Keyou is Hungry I didn\'t say has was a good coach, I said \"I THINK\" he\'s a good coach. Here is one too think on Saintsfan , read it awhile back . Coaches are generally responsible for teaching players technique , execution and position . In football coaching you hear about the importance of teaching \"fundamentals.\" That\'s because they are important (hence the name \"fundamental\"). \"Fundamentals\" are things like blocking, tackling and holding on to the football. Which brings us to Brooks\' fundamental problem. It\'s one thing to drop the ball when you are getting hit. It\'s another thing to have it spontaneously fly out of your hand like you have a serious muscular disability. Brooks has two modes: (a) extremely talented and (b) worthless. His fumbling and poor pass decisions occur often enough to make him, overall, a very mediocre quarterback. Only a poor coach would fail to recognize this and fail to take some decisive action. The Saints have a poor coach and they don\'t deserve to go to the playoffs http://www.ernietheattorney.net/erni..._qb_aaron.html If executing off sides , false starts and air ball incompletions was a positive stat , Haslett would be in the hall of fame rather then the hall of shame ...
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04-12-2004, 11:29 AM	#26
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Keyou is Hungry I can\'t argue that with you 08, but let me make a point. Think about Tebucky Jones. He has problems making tackles...he improved as the year went on, but I think we\'d all agree there were issues with his fundamentals. OK, who gets the blame for that? Haz? Jim had him on the roster last year...and that\'s it. Why didn\'t that coach up in New England teach him how to tackle -- and isn\'t he God\'s gift to coaching? What about his coach in college? What about the guy that coached him in High School? Certain people are far too eager to blame certain other people...that is my opinion, and the above statement is merely an example. By the way, who are you quoting? \"Earnie the Attorney\"? LOL...ok...so \"Earnie the Attorney\" says Haz can\'t coach and the Saints don\'t deserve to go to the playoffs because Books fumbled the ball? I sometimes have a hard time believing you\'re serious 08. Maybe if you could quote someone with some credentials I might be more inclined to read it seriously. Is \"Earnie the Attorney\" Gatormans alias? J/K Gator...it was there on the tee -- I had to swing at it!
	C'mon Man...

04-12-2004, 02:20 PM	#27
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Keyou is Hungry How does he get the pictures in his posts?

04-12-2004, 02:20 PM	#28
Boccal 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mobile Posts: 139	Keyou is Hungry Actually, Saintfan ....What if, what if, what if came for Scott Stapp of Creed lol

04-12-2004, 02:59 PM	#29
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Keyou is Hungry You might wanna just put in back in my lap and say, \"No, I won\'t do that, but here, YOU do it\". Nice try, but if you\'re gonna make the assumptions then it\'s up to YOU to prove it...not me. That\'s interesting that you say that, you\'ve made a living out of doing just that on this site. I gave it back to you in this thread and I still answered more direct questions than you did. Amazing how skewed some perceptions are. Enough of this - if the Saints go 12-4 I WILL apologize. And when they go 7-9 I\'ll expect to hear more from you about how Haslett is a great coach who just has bad luck. LMAO.
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04-12-2004, 03:40 PM	#30
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Keyou is Hungry Time will tell Whodat. I\'ve dined on Crow before. So, too, have you. I\'ll meet ya back here in January.