Nitpicking 101

Boogro · 04-14-2004, 07:42 PM

Here are some examples of the great job all of your experts have been doing.

1998 Draft
Ryan Leaf, Washington State, 6-5, 261 2nd pick
Passed for almost 4,000 yards and threw 33 touchdown passes as he led Washington State to its first Rose Bowl appearance since 1931. Leaf has a stronger arm and seems to be a more natural passer then Manning.

Curtis Enis, Penn State, 6-1, 242 5th pick
Powerful runner with speed, good hands, and quick feet. A complete back who can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass block.

Andre Wadsworth, Florida State, 6-3 5/8, 270 3rd pick
Best pass rusher in the draft. A great athlete and competitor who always works hard and never stops giving 110%. Excels with both a hard inside and a quick outside pass rush. Should be the number three player taken in the draft.

RB Blair Thomas (2) Penn State-New York Jets-1990
WR Desmond Howard(4) Michigan-Washington Redskins-1992
TE Ricky Dudley(9) Ohio State-Houston Oilers-1996
OT Tony Mandarich(2) Michigan State-Green Bay Packers-1989
OG Eugene Chung(13) Virginia Tech-New England Patriots-1992
DE Aundray Bruce(1) Auburn-Atlanta Falcons-1988
DT Steve Emtman(1) Washington-Indianapolis Colts-1992
LB Brian Bosworth(2) Oklahoma-Seattle Seahawks-1987
CB Bruce Pickens(3) Nebraska-Atlanta Falcons-1991
S Patrick Bates (12) Texas A&M-Los Angeles Raiders-1993
QB Heath Schuler (3) Tennessee-Washington Redskins-1994
RB Lawrence Philips (6) Nebraska-St. Louis Rams-1995
WR Michael Westbrook (4) Colorado-Washington Redskins-1995
TE David LaFluer(22) LSU-Dallas Cowboys-1997
OT Antoine Davis(8) Tennessee-Philadelphia Eagles-1991
OG Brian Jozwiak(7) West Virginia-Kansas City Chiefs-1986
DT Dimitrius Underwood(29) Michigan State-MinnesotaVikings-1999
LB Percy Snow(13) Michigan State-Kansas City Chiefs-1990
CB Michael Booker(11) Nebraska-Atlanta Flacons-1997
S Shaun Williams(24) UCLA-New York Giants-1998

My point is that this is not an exact science. Nobody knows how good these players will be at the next level. The above is a list of busts. I\'m sure we could make a list just as long of players that weren\'t supposed to be very good and ended up playing very well. There is no reason to think that because some of us disagree with the \"experts\" that we have no idea about a player. This is all conjecture anyway.

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Also, these scouts have been watching these guys all year long, go to their schools workout days and everything else. Would you give these guys just a little credit?

I happen to be a \'Canes fan and have been watching them all year. I saw all but one game they played this year. My opinion is probably a little biased, I admit. But I\'ll say this, Sean Taylor is the best player in this draft, period. Wilfork is the best DT in this draft, I think. DJ Williams and Vilma are two excellent LBs and I\'d be very happy to see either wearing the Black and Gold, because I think they will help this defense sooner rather than later like our past LB selections.

This is fun.

As I said before, there are going to be busts. If there weren\'t any busts than the draft would be simple right? It\'s great that you watches all of the Miami games last year and I watch just about all of LSU\'s. I could agree with you on Taylor, the guy is a ball player. I think Lavalais should have gone in round 1 because he just gets it done and played exceptionately well. That\'s just from watching LSU. Ok man, you have your list of a top 15 players in your mind coming out right? Put a list down of your Mock draft and then we could go back and see who\'s a bust at the end of the year. I was jsut trying to make my point earlier about Vilma being undersized. I wasn\'t saying it by looking at the guy, but every guy that\'s written something on him or draft pages I have seen said, \"He\'s a bit undersized\". That\'s it.

JimBone · 04-14-2004, 07:55 PM

I am not buying into Vilma like you guys are and i am not saying that i am right or wrong, but there hasnt been one draft that didnt have busts and steals. The fact is that a lot of those guys were successfull or busts for that matter because of the system that they play in. Linebackers are probably the biggest example. Some systems allow players to flourish and make plays more than others do.

And back to the Cie Grant comparison...it is every bit as accurate as the Ray Lewis comparison. The fact is that both are undersized coming out of college. I will give Vilma the edge in that he has played the position more than Grant did, but they are pretty much the same player. Grant could become a Ray Lewis type. Now, before anything starts, let me say that i dont think Grant will be a Ray Lewis type, but i dont think Vilma will be either. I just think that it doesnt make much sense to have to undersized LB\'s who\'s strengths and weaknesses are virtually the same.

04-14-2004, 07:42 PM	#31
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Nitpicking 101 Here are some examples of the great job all of your experts have been doing. 1998 Draft Ryan Leaf, Washington State, 6-5, 261 2nd pick Passed for almost 4,000 yards and threw 33 touchdown passes as he led Washington State to its first Rose Bowl appearance since 1931. Leaf has a stronger arm and seems to be a more natural passer then Manning. Curtis Enis, Penn State, 6-1, 242 5th pick Powerful runner with speed, good hands, and quick feet. A complete back who can catch the ball out of the backfield and pass block. Andre Wadsworth, Florida State, 6-3 5/8, 270 3rd pick Best pass rusher in the draft. A great athlete and competitor who always works hard and never stops giving 110%. Excels with both a hard inside and a quick outside pass rush. Should be the number three player taken in the draft. RB Blair Thomas (2) Penn State-New York Jets-1990 WR Desmond Howard(4) Michigan-Washington Redskins-1992 TE Ricky Dudley(9) Ohio State-Houston Oilers-1996 OT Tony Mandarich(2) Michigan State-Green Bay Packers-1989 OG Eugene Chung(13) Virginia Tech-New England Patriots-1992 DE Aundray Bruce(1) Auburn-Atlanta Falcons-1988 DT Steve Emtman(1) Washington-Indianapolis Colts-1992 LB Brian Bosworth(2) Oklahoma-Seattle Seahawks-1987 CB Bruce Pickens(3) Nebraska-Atlanta Falcons-1991 S Patrick Bates (12) Texas A&M-Los Angeles Raiders-1993 QB Heath Schuler (3) Tennessee-Washington Redskins-1994 RB Lawrence Philips (6) Nebraska-St. Louis Rams-1995 WR Michael Westbrook (4) Colorado-Washington Redskins-1995 TE David LaFluer(22) LSU-Dallas Cowboys-1997 OT Antoine Davis(8) Tennessee-Philadelphia Eagles-1991 OG Brian Jozwiak(7) West Virginia-Kansas City Chiefs-1986 DT Dimitrius Underwood(29) Michigan State-MinnesotaVikings-1999 LB Percy Snow(13) Michigan State-Kansas City Chiefs-1990 CB Michael Booker(11) Nebraska-Atlanta Flacons-1997 S Shaun Williams(24) UCLA-New York Giants-1998 My point is that this is not an exact science. Nobody knows how good these players will be at the next level. The above is a list of busts. I\'m sure we could make a list just as long of players that weren\'t supposed to be very good and ended up playing very well. There is no reason to think that because some of us disagree with the \"experts\" that we have no idea about a player. This is all conjecture anyway. Quote: Also, these scouts have been watching these guys all year long, go to their schools workout days and everything else. Would you give these guys just a little credit? I happen to be a \'Canes fan and have been watching them all year. I saw all but one game they played this year. My opinion is probably a little biased, I admit. But I\'ll say this, Sean Taylor is the best player in this draft, period. Wilfork is the best DT in this draft, I think. DJ Williams and Vilma are two excellent LBs and I\'d be very happy to see either wearing the Black and Gold, because I think they will help this defense sooner rather than later like our past LB selections. This is fun. As I said before, there are going to be busts. If there weren\'t any busts than the draft would be simple right? It\'s great that you watches all of the Miami games last year and I watch just about all of LSU\'s. I could agree with you on Taylor, the guy is a ball player. I think Lavalais should have gone in round 1 because he just gets it done and played exceptionately well. That\'s just from watching LSU. Ok man, you have your list of a top 15 players in your mind coming out right? Put a list down of your Mock draft and then we could go back and see who\'s a bust at the end of the year. I was jsut trying to make my point earlier about Vilma being undersized. I wasn\'t saying it by looking at the guy, but every guy that\'s written something on him or draft pages I have seen said, \"He\'s a bit undersized\". That\'s it.

04-14-2004, 07:55 PM	#32
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Nitpicking 101 I am not buying into Vilma like you guys are and i am not saying that i am right or wrong, but there hasnt been one draft that didnt have busts and steals. The fact is that a lot of those guys were successfull or busts for that matter because of the system that they play in. Linebackers are probably the biggest example. Some systems allow players to flourish and make plays more than others do. And back to the Cie Grant comparison...it is every bit as accurate as the Ray Lewis comparison. The fact is that both are undersized coming out of college. I will give Vilma the edge in that he has played the position more than Grant did, but they are pretty much the same player. Grant could become a Ray Lewis type. Now, before anything starts, let me say that i dont think Grant will be a Ray Lewis type, but i dont think Vilma will be either. I just think that it doesnt make much sense to have to undersized LB\'s who\'s strengths and weaknesses are virtually the same.
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