We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1

JimBone · 04-12-2004, 12:49 PM

I am not screaming that we need a WR in the first round but i wouldnt mind either. Joe Horn is 32 and already had a down year last year. Donte Stallworth, who i hope is gonna come back strong this year and produce, still hasnt proved he can stay healthy. Jerome Pathon, while consistent, has a big jump in his contract next year and he may be cut. Talman Gardner didnt show me anything at all last year and i know he has potential but do you really wanna hang your hat on a 7th round pick who smokes dope? So potentially, the Saints could have one of the most feared WR crops in the league if they all play the way they can...but we could be in a world of hurt if they play like they did last year. The WR\'s in this draft that will be getting picked in the 18th thru 32nd spots in this draft would all be top 12 picks in any other year. Why not jump on one now?

Haslet-rocks · 04-12-2004, 01:43 PM

Joe Horn is 32 and already had a down year last year

tied for 4th in the nfl with 10 recieving touchdowns, and almost a thousand recieving yards.

The WR\'s in this draft that will be getting picked in the 18th thru 32nd spots in this draft would all be top 12 picks in any other year. Why not jump on one now?

horn, paython, lewis, stallworth, im sure you can think of a dozen plays these guys have made. and now we have crowell.

how many plays can you think of that our defense made. we have an ageing smith and one dementional ruff, VILMA was ment to wear black and gold. This is a huge need!!

turbo_dog · 04-12-2004, 02:10 PM

vilmas too little to stop the run. he can be kind of a glorified safety and play ok against the pass. but we aren\'t stopping the run with vilma. wr is a need, pathons a year from bein a cap cut, donta cant stay on the field and horns gettin old. after those three, everybody on the roster is a question mark. this is a great draft for wrs, stallworth wouldn\'t be in the top 7 of this group if he came out this year. we can get an elite player at wr where we are pickin from. vilma aint elite--less maybe we want to turn him into a SS.

Vilma 6\'-1\" 232 lbs...

Starting NFL Middle Linebackers
5-11, 230 Zack Thomas, MIA
6-1, 225 Shelton Quarles, TB
6-0, 234 Mark Simeneu, PHL
6-0, 229 Robert Thomas, STL
6-1, 230 Mike Peterson, JAX

And the best middle linebacker in the NFL,
Ray Lewis 6-0 245 (came into NFL @ 225 lbs)

I will continue to post this every time I see a \"Vilma\'s too small\" posts.
Get used to it.

[Edited on 12/4/2004 by Danno]

Hey Danno, you forgot two. (plus I wanted to see this post again)

Dat Nguyen is one of the better Mikes in the league at 5-11, 231.

Ed McDaniel didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t miss a game for over 7 years in the middle for Minnihaha at 5-11, 230.

WhoDat · 04-12-2004, 02:51 PM

You guys think too small. I\'m less concerned with what we do in round 1 than what we do in the DRAFT.

Haslett and co. would be wise to go LB in round 1. That being said, the need for a corner may have diminished some with the addition of Craft, but this is exactly what scared me about that trade. We STILL need a young talented corner. They SHOULD go LB in 1, but CB in 2a, WR with 2b, and then best available, preferably on the defensive side of the ball (with one exception for a fullback).

Craft does NOT mean that we don\'t need an impact corner. If I don\'t see us select a corner until the 6th round I\'m going to be livid. Early LB, early CB, early WR (simply b/c the deals are so good there), FB, and everything else on defense (maybe a LT).

rAge · 04-12-2004, 04:32 PM

Craft does NOT mean that we don\'t need an impact corner.

I know that, but the need to take one in round 1 is now just not there. We can pick up one in the 2nd and let him develop...and chances are, he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway.

Boogro · 04-12-2004, 05:25 PM

tied for 4th in the nfl with 10 recieving touchdowns, and almost a thousand recieving yards.

Yeah, Horn did have 10 tds. 4 of them came in the Giants games where all the back ups were playing in the secondary. Horn missed quite a few balls too last year as did just about every other reciever.

WhoDat · 04-12-2004, 08:19 PM

he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway.

You mean over-rated like Vilma?

Yeah, I agree that the need to take a corner in round 1 has probably been diminished, but they still need to take a CB in the second, IMO.

rAge · 04-12-2004, 08:49 PM

he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway.

You mean over-rated like Vilma?

Yeah, I agree that the need to take a corner in round 1 has probably been diminished, but they still need to take a CB in the second, IMO.

Yeah, Vilma sure did get burned and ran over like Gamble, Robinson & Hall did. Ooooook.

Seriously, have you seen any of these corners play? Robinson & Gamble were burnt on a regular basis and neither looked like solid corners. The only reason they are first round prospects is because of of their potential and how good of athletes they are. Both only played one year at corner, and that helps their case because most believe they just need time (time that we do not have).

And yeah, we need to take a corner in round 2. We should of taken Mathis or traded up a couple of spots to take Tillman last season, but we didn\'t. And both turned in better rookie seasons than 3 CB\'s who went in round 1 (andre woolfolk, sammy davis, nnamdi asomugha...those guys are all on the level of the top three this year, which isn\'t saying much).

Boogro · 04-12-2004, 10:13 PM

he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway.

You mean over-rated like Vilma?

Yeah, I agree that the need to take a corner in round 1 has probably been diminished, but they still need to take a CB in the second, IMO.

Yeah, Vilma sure did get burned and ran over like Gamble, Robinson & Hall did. Ooooook.

Seriously, have you seen any of these corners play? Robinson & Gamble were burnt on a regular basis and neither looked like solid corners. The only reason they are first round prospects is because of of their potential and how good of athletes they are. Both only played one year at corner, and that helps their case because most believe they just need time (time that we do not have).

And yeah, we need to take a corner in round 2. We should of taken Mathis or traded up a couple of spots to take Tillman last season, but we didn\'t. And both turned in better rookie seasons than 3 CB\'s who went in round 1 (andre woolfolk, sammy davis, nnamdi asomugha...those guys are all on the level of the top three this year, which isn\'t saying much).

You forgot to mention Newman and Trufant. Why? Because the had good years. Newman was the 4th rated corner before he worked out. After he worked out and ran, he became the top corner in the draft. Kinda souns like Hall to me. So, yeah I believe Hall and Robinson can be just as good as Newman and Trufant so I am not againt drafting either of them. Who\'s to say we can\'t draft a starting linebacker in the second round? I guess since your the expert on 2004 NFL draft linebackers you know better.

BlackandBlue · 04-12-2004, 11:18 PM

Horn missed quite a few balls too last year as did just about every other reciever.

He missed some, I think you\'re being a bit too critical because one of those dropped passes meant the difference between winning and losing the game (which the Saints lost, can\'t remember which game it was, but it was late in the season, and even Horn admitted that he dropped a game winner).
Horn has given us a \"playmaker\" at receiver. He has helped this team so much more than he has hurt, I really don\'t uderstand why anyone would want to replace him. I hope he retires a Saint, similar to Bruce, he\'ll probably retire with the Rams.

04-12-2004, 12:49 PM	#11
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 I am not screaming that we need a WR in the first round but i wouldnt mind either. Joe Horn is 32 and already had a down year last year. Donte Stallworth, who i hope is gonna come back strong this year and produce, still hasnt proved he can stay healthy. Jerome Pathon, while consistent, has a big jump in his contract next year and he may be cut. Talman Gardner didnt show me anything at all last year and i know he has potential but do you really wanna hang your hat on a 7th round pick who smokes dope? So potentially, the Saints could have one of the most feared WR crops in the league if they all play the way they can...but we could be in a world of hurt if they play like they did last year. The WR\'s in this draft that will be getting picked in the 18th thru 32nd spots in this draft would all be top 12 picks in any other year. Why not jump on one now?
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04-12-2004, 01:43 PM	#12
Haslet-rocks Rookie Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 20	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 Joe Horn is 32 and already had a down year last year tied for 4th in the nfl with 10 recieving touchdowns, and almost a thousand recieving yards. The WR\'s in this draft that will be getting picked in the 18th thru 32nd spots in this draft would all be top 12 picks in any other year. Why not jump on one now? horn, paython, lewis, stallworth, im sure you can think of a dozen plays these guys have made. and now we have crowell. how many plays can you think of that our defense made. we have an ageing smith and one dementional ruff, VILMA was ment to wear black and gold. This is a huge need!!
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04-12-2004, 02:10 PM	#13
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 vilmas too little to stop the run. he can be kind of a glorified safety and play ok against the pass. but we aren\'t stopping the run with vilma. wr is a need, pathons a year from bein a cap cut, donta cant stay on the field and horns gettin old. after those three, everybody on the roster is a question mark. this is a great draft for wrs, stallworth wouldn\'t be in the top 7 of this group if he came out this year. we can get an elite player at wr where we are pickin from. vilma aint elite--less maybe we want to turn him into a SS. Vilma 6\'-1\" 232 lbs... Starting NFL Middle Linebackers 5-11, 230 Zack Thomas, MIA 6-1, 225 Shelton Quarles, TB 6-0, 234 Mark Simeneu, PHL 6-0, 229 Robert Thomas, STL 6-1, 230 Mike Peterson, JAX And the best middle linebacker in the NFL, Ray Lewis 6-0 245 (came into NFL @ 225 lbs) I will continue to post this every time I see a \"Vilma\'s too small\" posts. Get used to it. [Edited on 12/4/2004 by Danno] Hey Danno, you forgot two. (plus I wanted to see this post again) Dat Nguyen is one of the better Mikes in the league at 5-11, 231. Ed McDaniel didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢t miss a game for over 7 years in the middle for Minnihaha at 5-11, 230.

04-12-2004, 02:51 PM	#14
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 You guys think too small. I\'m less concerned with what we do in round 1 than what we do in the DRAFT. Haslett and co. would be wise to go LB in round 1. That being said, the need for a corner may have diminished some with the addition of Craft, but this is exactly what scared me about that trade. We STILL need a young talented corner. They SHOULD go LB in 1, but CB in 2a, WR with 2b, and then best available, preferably on the defensive side of the ball (with one exception for a fullback). Craft does NOT mean that we don\'t need an impact corner. If I don\'t see us select a corner until the 6th round I\'m going to be livid. Early LB, early CB, early WR (simply b/c the deals are so good there), FB, and everything else on defense (maybe a LT).
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04-12-2004, 04:32 PM	#15
rAge 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 320	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 Craft does NOT mean that we don\'t need an impact corner. I know that, but the need to take one in round 1 is now just not there. We can pick up one in the 2nd and let him develop...and chances are, he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway.
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04-12-2004, 05:25 PM	#16
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 tied for 4th in the nfl with 10 recieving touchdowns, and almost a thousand recieving yards. Yeah, Horn did have 10 tds. 4 of them came in the Giants games where all the back ups were playing in the secondary. Horn missed quite a few balls too last year as did just about every other reciever.

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway. You mean over-rated like Vilma? Yeah, I agree that the need to take a corner in round 1 has probably been diminished, but they still need to take a CB in the second, IMO.
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rAge 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 320	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway. You mean over-rated like Vilma? Yeah, I agree that the need to take a corner in round 1 has probably been diminished, but they still need to take a CB in the second, IMO. Yeah, Vilma sure did get burned and ran over like Gamble, Robinson & Hall did. Ooooook. Seriously, have you seen any of these corners play? Robinson & Gamble were burnt on a regular basis and neither looked like solid corners. The only reason they are first round prospects is because of of their potential and how good of athletes they are. Both only played one year at corner, and that helps their case because most believe they just need time (time that we do not have). And yeah, we need to take a corner in round 2. We should of taken Mathis or traded up a couple of spots to take Tillman last season, but we didn\'t. And both turned in better rookie seasons than 3 CB\'s who went in round 1 (andre woolfolk, sammy davis, nnamdi asomugha...those guys are all on the level of the top three this year, which isn\'t saying much).
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04-12-2004, 10:13 PM	#19
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 he will be better than the over-rated crap that will go in the first round anyway. You mean over-rated like Vilma? Yeah, I agree that the need to take a corner in round 1 has probably been diminished, but they still need to take a CB in the second, IMO. Yeah, Vilma sure did get burned and ran over like Gamble, Robinson & Hall did. Ooooook. Seriously, have you seen any of these corners play? Robinson & Gamble were burnt on a regular basis and neither looked like solid corners. The only reason they are first round prospects is because of of their potential and how good of athletes they are. Both only played one year at corner, and that helps their case because most believe they just need time (time that we do not have). And yeah, we need to take a corner in round 2. We should of taken Mathis or traded up a couple of spots to take Tillman last season, but we didn\'t. And both turned in better rookie seasons than 3 CB\'s who went in round 1 (andre woolfolk, sammy davis, nnamdi asomugha...those guys are all on the level of the top three this year, which isn\'t saying much). You forgot to mention Newman and Trufant. Why? Because the had good years. Newman was the 4th rated corner before he worked out. After he worked out and ran, he became the top corner in the draft. Kinda souns like Hall to me. So, yeah I believe Hall and Robinson can be just as good as Newman and Trufant so I am not againt drafting either of them. Who\'s to say we can\'t draft a starting linebacker in the second round? I guess since your the expert on 2004 NFL draft linebackers you know better.

04-12-2004, 11:18 PM	#20
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	We Aren't Targeting a CB in Round 1 Horn missed quite a few balls too last year as did just about every other reciever. He missed some, I think you\'re being a bit too critical because one of those dropped passes meant the difference between winning and losing the game (which the Saints lost, can\'t remember which game it was, but it was late in the season, and even Horn admitted that he dropped a game winner). Horn has given us a \"playmaker\" at receiver. He has helped this team so much more than he has hurt, I really don\'t uderstand why anyone would want to replace him. I hope he retires a Saint, similar to Bruce, he\'ll probably retire with the Rams.
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