So there isn't enough evidence yet but you say he WAS indeed paying players and that it's been proven by the NFL??? Contradiction. Every team's defense has cash incentives for making big plays, but you're implying that Saints players DID commit personal fouls that injured other players and received money for it. I'm just asking who?

There isn't enough evidence for that as of yet. But to also ignore the fact that GW WAS indeed paying people to inflict injuries, is pretty naive to think no one received that money......

It has been proven and stated by the NFL that they were paying players to inflict serious injuries to other players. The NFL holds NO obligation to release WHO received that money as of yet, especially since no player punishments have been handed out 'yet'.

And please, don't try to misinterpret my post as gloating, or wishing harm to the franchise. I'm simply trying to bring to the attention to the NO fan-base, that trying to defend the acts that GW has been accused and proven of doing, is just ignorant and classless.

Im actually a niner faithful. Nice try though, in tryin to make it seem like i have some personal vendetta because your team won.

The personal attacks truly help prove my point.

This isnt about whether or not other teams supposedly do the same thing. Or whether or not someone did get injured.

Its about GW being such a subpar human being. That he actually paid someone to intentionally inflict serious injuries to another human being. They could have ended someones career.

I'm also saying to not support your team, but what i am saying is that to try to sugar coat the situation or point fingers like its some world wide accepted culture is just sad.

You make yourselves look stupid trying to defend that notion. Ironically it was saints fans trying to claim niner fans as unclassy not too long ago.

Lets not bring up old arguments though. Lets stay on topic and talk about the Mob boss of a defensive coordinator you have ok?

Wow, you're sensitive. How were you expecting people to respond to your comments? You came on here and criticized our team and players. This is a Saints board so naturally we're going to defend our team. You're trying to act all righteous meanwhile you call us stupid. If this was happening to your team I'm sure your board would be doing the same thing.

Look, I agree that GW sucks and some of things he said weren't right. I'm assuming you watched the game, did you see the Saints do anything dirty on defense that day? I sure didn't. Just because the coach says a bunch of stupid things doesn't mean the players are going to do it.

If you actually read around on this board you'd find that a lot of us aren't defending GW and are glad he's gone. We're not going to let you come on our board and throw our whole team and fan base under the bus because of GW.

I am talking about EVIDENCE given to the PUBLIC, because you asked me to name someone. Goodell has already said THEY have credible evidence of players and payouts. So be patient, and we can come back to that topic another time if you really want to. But I don't think you'll like the outcome.

Did anyone see Darren Woodson on SC today? He said this is common verbage in a defensive team meeting. He agreed with 95% of GW said until he started talking about taking out Crabtree's ACL, he said then he crossed the line. But as bad as the audio sounded, Woodson said 95% of that speech was normal. Any defense would "test" opposing players who have known injuries.

Cops: Saints fan shoots two 49ers fans after loss - CBS News

Cool story bro... I could play that game all day. And read the article, it stats FANS, not ONLY Niner fans.

Furthermore, the battle of the bay is not accurately or ever will be accurately reported on. That shooting was between two Raider fans and was GANG related. Not SPORTS related.

Lets not bring up old arguments though. Lets stay on topic and talk about the Mob boss of a defensive coordinator you have ok?

I don't want to get into some kind of mudslinging contest here. But please go back and actually read what I wrote.

1) I made no mention of any specific player, the evidence of the ones who did participate have yet to officially been revealed. Although, many speculate Vilma is high on the list.

2) I never said EVERY fan is stupid. I stated very specifically that anyone who IS trying to defend the fact that there were bounties that were given out to injure another player is dumb.

I'm not trying to debate whether or not these fines and or punishments are just cause. I'm trying to bring to light, to the many who believe that this is football, it's rough, they need to man up, and others do it. And so by some odd form of justification, they shouldn't be punished, this wasn't as bad as it sounds, and people need to 'man' up.

P.S. not sensitive, I have no personal relations with any of the players or FO involved. I'm actually just trying to get a better understanding of the minds of the fans who are obviously effected by this. I'm actually having a pretty good laugh.