G. Williams Audio - Wow...

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2012, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

AGAIN, GOODELL has OFFICIALLY stated they have HARD evidence. That is MY evidence, I don't work in the industry, so how can I present you with those?

Why would GOODELL risk his career/reputation for some personal vendetta for something w/ NO evidence?

He has NEVER stated he had any HARD evidence on players. In fact, after he gave the expanded reports to the NFLPA De Smith said that there was nothing in the reports that would justify any punishment upon players.

pherein · 04-06-2012, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

AGAIN, GOODELL has OFFICIALLY stated they have HARD evidence. That is MY evidence, I don't work in the industry, so how can I present you with those?

Why would GOODELL risk his career/reputation for some personal vendetta for something w/ NO evidence?

Dude, you have 0 likes so far, and thats hard to believe. Lots of other fans come on this board and don't agree with us, and do just fine. It might be your approach on a sore subject. This isn't the "Colston is the best WR" thread.
We are not happy about this, and most will defend this team until we see evidence to prove anyones involvement.

Saying Goodell said it won't wash in almost any teams forum in the NFL. Goodell is not liked by most fans universally.

saintfan · 04-07-2012, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

AGAIN, GOODELL has OFFICIALLY stated they have HARD evidence. That is MY evidence, I don't work in the industry, so how can I present you with those?

Why would GOODELL risk his career/reputation for some personal vendetta for something w/ NO evidence?

Goodell? Isn't that he the guy who destroyed all the spygate 'evidence' so...uh hem...'other teams wouldn't see it'?

Yeah, I'm just going to blindly accept anything THAT guy says.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2012, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by ratchoke99

Please state where I said that.....

I stated multiple times, this is a discussion of how GW/FO did something completely immoral. Which I'll once again repeat, was paying players to deliberately HURT other players in a professional sport. And that the FANS who want to some how oddly justify it or defend the act because it's a rough sport, and it's a supposedly accepted culture within the sport, are completely, well dumb.

But since you brought it up, yes, the players are still guilty; it's called being an accessory to a crime.

No, Gregg Williams was offering to pay to injure. There is no proof that any player fell for the idiot's demands and actually followed through. Nobody would justify that. What we are defending is that we refuse to believe that our players actually did what Williams wanted. And how are the players guilty? There has been no proof that any of them actually tried to injure, not simply hurt, an opponent for pay.

I agree that Williams is scum, but just because players were sitting in the room listening to the moron doesn't mean they bought int ohis delusions.

gandhi1007 · 04-05-2012, 07:43 PM

Personally I don't think anything GW said in that audio is as audacious as Comrade Goodell claims. The whole "hit the head" thing refers to earlier in the pep talk when Williams asked how to kill the snake. "You take out the head". He was speaking metaphorically & it seems to me like his words are being twisted. As for the Crabtree ACL comments......he asked them to test it, as would any coach. Where are the bounty offers, cart off comments, etc.... that Comrade Goodell lead on about? I didn't hear anything on that audio remotely close to those allegations.

ChrisXVI · 04-05-2012, 07:57 PM

Goodell has hard evidence that the system was in place. Once again, you can't seem to distinguish between an idea and the action actually taking place. You've made statements in this thread that GW PAID players for intentionally injuring opposing players. I've watched every single Saints game with GW as our DC and so please tell me who was carted off or knocked out of the game by an illegal hit. You can't because there isn't one.

hagan714 · 04-05-2012, 08:39 PM

not once did i hear money for hits.

i heard a coach losing it old school style. no place for that in today's nfl.

now to the game tape. sorry i did find players doing as ordered.

looks like in a court of law williams is guilty of trying to in site a riot. he failed.

no i want to here the niners tape

NOLA54 · 04-05-2012, 08:57 PM

I understand that some of what Wiilams said was metaphoric in content & not meant to be taken literally. I'm just glad he is gone. Let's keep looking forward.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-05-2012, 09:35 PM

Why are you people responding to this alleged Whiner troll, I can't understand... and I say alleged, because this troll cannot be a fan of guys like Lott, or Haley, Dean, Rathmann (yes, Rathmann).. or even the Smiths (the ones who knock out Pierre Thomas with a hit to the head and yell "this is how we play football", or clip Jimmy Graham when he's mid-air so he falls on his head, and if you don't think that's on purpose, you just don't know what you are watching), nor know his HC very well....this troll cannot possibly have ever been on a locker room as a player of any contact sport...

This troll is either just doing the same thing the Florios and Kings of the world are doing, pretending nothing like this happens in the other 31 locker rooms when we know it happens; or really doesn't know, in which case, he can go get his education somewhere else.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2012, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Why are you people responding to this alleged Whiner troll, I can't understand... and I say alleged, because this troll cannot be a fan of guys like Lott, or Haley, Dean, Rathmann (yes, Rathmann).. or even the Smiths (the ones who knock out Pierre Thomas with a hit to the head and yell "this is how we play football", or clip Jimmy Graham when he's mid-air so he falls on his head, and if you don't think that's on purpose, you just don't know what you are watching), nor know his HC very well....this troll cannot possibly have ever been on a locker room as a player of any contact sport...

This troll is either just doing the same thing the Florios and Kings of the world are doing, pretending nothing like this happens in the other 31 locker rooms when we know it happens; or really doesn't know, in which case, he can go get his education somewhere else.

No, ratchoke isn't a troll. He is a regular on a very well respected Niners site. Some of you may remember Tahoegirl that visited our site before the game last year. She is the administrator of the site. They are mostly class people. ratchoke is cool, but loves to debate. I've been known for doing the same ... as I am doing right now on their site. But, they are cool.

04-05-2012, 08:22 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 AGAIN, GOODELL has OFFICIALLY stated they have HARD evidence. That is MY evidence, I don't work in the industry, so how can I present you with those? Why would GOODELL risk his career/reputation for some personal vendetta for something w/ NO evidence? He has NEVER stated he had any HARD evidence on players. In fact, after he gave the expanded reports to the NFLPA De Smith said that there was nothing in the reports that would justify any punishment upon players.

04-06-2012, 11:45 PM	#2
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 AGAIN, GOODELL has OFFICIALLY stated they have HARD evidence. That is MY evidence, I don't work in the industry, so how can I present you with those? Why would GOODELL risk his career/reputation for some personal vendetta for something w/ NO evidence? Dude, you have 0 likes so far, and thats hard to believe. Lots of other fans come on this board and don't agree with us, and do just fine. It might be your approach on a sore subject. This isn't the "Colston is the best WR" thread. We are not happy about this, and most will defend this team until we see evidence to prove anyones involvement. Saying Goodell said it won't wash in almost any teams forum in the NFL. Goodell is not liked by most fans universally.

04-07-2012, 09:06 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 AGAIN, GOODELL has OFFICIALLY stated they have HARD evidence. That is MY evidence, I don't work in the industry, so how can I present you with those? Why would GOODELL risk his career/reputation for some personal vendetta for something w/ NO evidence? Goodell? Isn't that he the guy who destroyed all the spygate 'evidence' so...uh hem...'other teams wouldn't see it'? Yeah, I'm just going to blindly accept anything THAT guy says. breesfan27 and pherein like this.

04-05-2012, 08:20 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Originally Posted by ratchoke99 Please state where I said that..... I stated multiple times, this is a discussion of how GW/FO did something completely immoral. Which I'll once again repeat, was paying players to deliberately HURT other players in a professional sport. And that the FANS who want to some how oddly justify it or defend the act because it's a rough sport, and it's a supposedly accepted culture within the sport, are completely, well dumb. But since you brought it up, yes, the players are still guilty; it's called being an accessory to a crime. No, Gregg Williams was offering to pay to injure. There is no proof that any player fell for the idiot's demands and actually followed through. Nobody would justify that. What we are defending is that we refuse to believe that our players actually did what Williams wanted. And how are the players guilty? There has been no proof that any of them actually tried to injure, not simply hurt, an opponent for pay. I agree that Williams is scum, but just because players were sitting in the room listening to the moron doesn't mean they bought int ohis delusions.

04-05-2012, 07:43 PM	#5
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Personally I don't think anything GW said in that audio is as audacious as Comrade Goodell claims. The whole "hit the head" thing refers to earlier in the pep talk when Williams asked how to kill the snake. "You take out the head". He was speaking metaphorically & it seems to me like his words are being twisted. As for the Crabtree ACL comments......he asked them to test it, as would any coach. Where are the bounty offers, cart off comments, etc.... that Comrade Goodell lead on about? I didn't hear anything on that audio remotely close to those allegations.
	http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...gs/12-3006.jpg ______________________________ KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE! -G.I. Joe

04-05-2012, 07:57 PM	#6
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Goodell has hard evidence that the system was in place. Once again, you can't seem to distinguish between an idea and the action actually taking place. You've made statements in this thread that GW PAID players for intentionally injuring opposing players. I've watched every single Saints game with GW as our DC and so please tell me who was carted off or knocked out of the game by an illegal hit. You can't because there isn't one.

04-05-2012, 08:39 PM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	not once did i hear money for hits. i heard a coach losing it old school style. no place for that in today's nfl. now to the game tape. sorry i did find players doing as ordered. looks like in a court of law williams is guilty of trying to in site a riot. he failed. no i want to here the niners tape

04-05-2012, 08:57 PM	#8
NOLA54 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,708 Blog Entries: 1	I understand that some of what Wiilams said was metaphoric in content & not meant to be taken literally. I'm just glad he is gone. Let's keep looking forward.

04-05-2012, 09:35 PM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Why are you people responding to this alleged Whiner troll, I can't understand... and I say alleged, because this troll cannot be a fan of guys like Lott, or Haley, Dean, Rathmann (yes, Rathmann).. or even the Smiths (the ones who knock out Pierre Thomas with a hit to the head and yell "this is how we play football", or clip Jimmy Graham when he's mid-air so he falls on his head, and if you don't think that's on purpose, you just don't know what you are watching), nor know his HC very well....this troll cannot possibly have ever been on a locker room as a player of any contact sport... This troll is either just doing the same thing the Florios and Kings of the world are doing, pretending nothing like this happens in the other 31 locker rooms when we know it happens; or really doesn't know, in which case, he can go get his education somewhere else. Ashley likes this.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

04-05-2012, 10:00 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Why are you people responding to this alleged Whiner troll, I can't understand... and I say alleged, because this troll cannot be a fan of guys like Lott, or Haley, Dean, Rathmann (yes, Rathmann).. or even the Smiths (the ones who knock out Pierre Thomas with a hit to the head and yell "this is how we play football", or clip Jimmy Graham when he's mid-air so he falls on his head, and if you don't think that's on purpose, you just don't know what you are watching), nor know his HC very well....this troll cannot possibly have ever been on a locker room as a player of any contact sport... This troll is either just doing the same thing the Florios and Kings of the world are doing, pretending nothing like this happens in the other 31 locker rooms when we know it happens; or really doesn't know, in which case, he can go get his education somewhere else. No, ratchoke isn't a troll. He is a regular on a very well respected Niners site. Some of you may remember Tahoegirl that visited our site before the game last year. She is the administrator of the site. They are mostly class people. ratchoke is cool, but loves to debate. I've been known for doing the same ... as I am doing right now on their site. But, they are cool. Halo likes this.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

LinkBacks (?) LinkBack to this Thread: https://blackandgold.com/saints/42940-g-williams-audio-wow.html
Posted By	For	Type	Date	Hits
Greg Williams Speech before the 49ers game - Page 10 - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard	This thread	Refback	04-06-2012 12:32 AM	23
Chicago Bears Message Boards - Saints forums on G.Williams audio makes me sick...	This thread	Refback	04-05-2012 04:10 PM	58
Gregg Williams targeted Niners - Page 34 - 49ers Message Board Community	This thread	Refback	04-05-2012 02:53 PM	1
Gregg Williams targeted Niners - Page 34 - 49ers Message Board Community	This thread	Refback	04-05-2012 02:47 PM	61
G. Williams Audio - Wow...	This thread	Refback	04-05-2012 09:28 AM	2