Drew Brees Contract Negotiations: Jason Cole Solves the Mystery

TheOak · 05-29-2012, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by xan

What about the other mystery solved:

The Saints have NO cap room to offer more than 19 million/year.

Period.

Good luck getting more when there isn't any.

Vilma frees up 4.9M

We brought in Lofton to replace Vilma...

If the deadline comes and my choice is Vilma or Brees... Sorry Vilma, you gots-to-go.

Beastmode · 05-29-2012, 08:53 AM

If they interpret the tag formula as $23.574M that is a game changer. There won't be enough cap room to even tag him.

TheOak · 05-29-2012, 09:03 AM

Then we restructure more and jet unneeded personnel.

bobdog86 · 05-29-2012, 09:35 AM

Unfortunately, we don't figure this out then we will be forever haunted and tormented as the team that refused to sign "Drew". Too bad, we don't sign him, someone else eventually will. While it may easier to live with when you live in the south where you are surrounded by other fans. Try living somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, where its "one parts per million". Not enjoyable.

saintfan · 05-29-2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

Unfortunately, we don't figure this out then we will be forever haunted and tormented as the team that refused to sign "Drew". Too bad, we don't sign him, someone else eventually will. While it may easier to live with when you live in the south where you are surrounded by other fans. Try living somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, where its "one parts per million". Not enjoyable.

Horse hair. We aren't the 'team that refused to sign Drew'. We've done anything but refuse. We've tried to make him the highest paid player in the league at least twice - he refused.

If he wants more up front or whatever then okay, but let's not ever entertain the idea that we 'refused to sign' Drew. We've been very fair negotiating with him, and my guess is that if he had an agent who's name wasn't Tom Condon he'd be signed already.

Mardigras9 · 05-29-2012, 10:53 AM

Unbelievable. Chase is not or will be the answer. Yes the team is loaded with talent but Drew is the catalyst. Without Drew, it's a 8-8 season and a huge step backwards.
Peyton Manning got huge money, after being out for a year and unsure if he will still be able to handle a season. Drew is peaking, this is just aweful on BOTH sides.

spkb25 · 05-29-2012, 02:08 PM

Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see.

saintfan · 05-29-2012, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see.

I'd rather play without him than gut the team. It's no disrespect to Drew.

TheOak · 05-29-2012, 02:22 PM

I think "gutting the team" is a little dramatic. You cut under performers to keep the over performers. You increase the value... It wouldn't take more than Vilma.

I have seen a lot of questioning about Drew's commitment to the team. Here is a question for everyone.

Who is more important to the TEAM this season, Brees or Vilma?
Who has already been replaced Brees or Vilma?
Who is at this moment guaranteed healthy enough to play, Brees or Vilma?

If Vilma is thinking about the TEAM, he is thus far suspended this season and is STILL not 100% back from his surgery... He sits out this season allowing cap space to keep Drew. Next season we worry about getting Vilma on the field if he competes and earns his spot back.

So this comes to a hard decision. Tell Vilma bye and secure Brees? Or risk playing 2012 with out both of them.

Ashley · 05-29-2012, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see.

I have since I was old enough to know what a football is. He is the team, yes that makes other players want to come here for a championship, yes. He is the center clog of the wheel, yes. He is New Orleans, yes. But when the Saints did make him the Highest Player in the league, they turned it down. The man makes money, with the endorsements he gets along with that. The man is getting paid.
Now we are all not stupid, or naive on how this works. There is a pie, right you have what 52 people want a slice? how in the hell does he end up with half. Come on after we were told he would do whatever it takes to keep this team together, i do remember hearing that.
I know Drew deserves to be the highest player in the league, but at what cost do we do that. There isn't enough money... per cap. period. But I still believe he will be a saint, loomis will get it done, and if he can't then shame on you Drew and your jackass agent.

05-29-2012, 08:12 AM	#21
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Originally Posted by xan What about the other mystery solved: The Saints have NO cap room to offer more than 19 million/year. Period. Good luck getting more when there isn't any. Vilma frees up 4.9M We brought in Lofton to replace Vilma... If the deadline comes and my choice is Vilma or Brees... Sorry Vilma, you gots-to-go.

05-29-2012, 08:53 AM	#22
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	If they interpret the tag formula as $23.574M that is a game changer. There won't be enough cap room to even tag him.
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05-29-2012, 09:50 AM	#25
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by bobdog86 Unfortunately, we don't figure this out then we will be forever haunted and tormented as the team that refused to sign "Drew". Too bad, we don't sign him, someone else eventually will. While it may easier to live with when you live in the south where you are surrounded by other fans. Try living somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, where its "one parts per million". Not enjoyable. Horse hair. We aren't the 'team that refused to sign Drew'. We've done anything but refuse. We've tried to make him the highest paid player in the league at least twice - he refused. If he wants more up front or whatever then okay, but let's not ever entertain the idea that we 'refused to sign' Drew. We've been very fair negotiating with him, and my guess is that if he had an agent who's name wasn't Tom Condon he'd be signed already. Ashley and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-29-2012, 02:09 PM	#28
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by spkb25 Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see. I'd rather play without him than gut the team. It's no disrespect to Drew.

05-29-2012, 02:22 PM	#29
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	I think "gutting the team" is a little dramatic. You cut under performers to keep the over performers. You increase the value... It wouldn't take more than Vilma. I have seen a lot of questioning about Drew's commitment to the team. Here is a question for everyone. Who is more important to the TEAM this season, Brees or Vilma? Who has already been replaced Brees or Vilma? Who is at this moment guaranteed healthy enough to play, Brees or Vilma? If Vilma is thinking about the TEAM, he is thus far suspended this season and is STILL not 100% back from his surgery... He sits out this season allowing cap space to keep Drew. Next season we worry about getting Vilma on the field if he competes and earns his spot back. So this comes to a hard decision. Tell Vilma bye and secure Brees? Or risk playing 2012 with out both of them. spkb25 likes this.
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05-29-2012, 09:03 AM	#23
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Then we restructure more and jet unneeded personnel.

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bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,418	Unfortunately, we don't figure this out then we will be forever haunted and tormented as the team that refused to sign "Drew". Too bad, we don't sign him, someone else eventually will. While it may easier to live with when you live in the south where you are surrounded by other fans. Try living somewhere like the Pacific Northwest, where its "one parts per million". Not enjoyable.

05-29-2012, 10:53 AM	#26
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Unbelievable. Chase is not or will be the answer. Yes the team is loaded with talent but Drew is the catalyst. Without Drew, it's a 8-8 season and a huge step backwards. Peyton Manning got huge money, after being out for a year and unsure if he will still be able to handle a season. Drew is peaking, this is just aweful on BOTH sides.

05-29-2012, 02:08 PM	#27
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see.

05-29-2012, 02:25 PM	#30
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Originally Posted by spkb25 Have you people lost your collective minds. I mean seriously, you don' t lose one of the top 4-5 gb's in the league. Im not saying we give in on everything, but you sugn the guy. End of story, you sign the guy. We are spoiled, spoiled by how good Drew us. Play a season without him and you'll see. I have since I was old enough to know what a football is. He is the team, yes that makes other players want to come here for a championship, yes. He is the center clog of the wheel, yes. He is New Orleans, yes. But when the Saints did make him the Highest Player in the league, they turned it down. The man makes money, with the endorsements he gets along with that. The man is getting paid. Now we are all not stupid, or naive on how this works. There is a pie, right you have what 52 people want a slice? how in the hell does he end up with half. Come on after we were told he would do whatever it takes to keep this team together, i do remember hearing that. I know Drew deserves to be the highest player in the league, but at what cost do we do that. There isn't enough money... per cap. period. But I still believe he will be a saint, loomis will get it done, and if he can't then shame on you Drew and your jackass agent.
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