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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I do recall that now... Too bad the judge isnt a member of B&G.com...
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08-16-2012, 12:19 PM | #42 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
Originally Posted by TXGSP
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On April 23rd--a month later--in an interview with Rich Eisen on the NFLN, Goodell said this about player sanctions: Quote: I hope to reach those decisions very soon. We have been continuing our work. We have continued to talk to players and other people that can give us a perspective. Once we have got all the information and we feel that we are in a position to be able to issue the fairest and most thorough types of decisions, we will do that but I expect to do that soon because this is a big element to me ... I am not necessarily looking for [the NFLPA's] recommendation on discipline. I am looking for their recommendation on what we do to continue to make our game safer and to get this type of activity out of the game and get back to the point where we have respect for each other and the game itself. |
08-16-2012, 12:43 PM | #43 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
Originally Posted by x626xBlack
That's had me confused for a while now. Thanks for the explanation x626x
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08-16-2012, 01:39 PM | #44 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
Originally Posted by x626xBlack
We're not in discovery phase yet. That starts when the court accepts the case. They're still in hearings about whether to allow a court ordered injunction should be awarded to allow Vilma to play, and eventually whether the court accepts the case.
In this hearing phase you probably would not want to force a witness (Goodell or Gregg Williams) to go to court unless he or she has already agreed to testify. You want people to testify who support your position. Dragging someone into court who doesn’t want to be there on your behalf could set the persons testimony against you. A hostile witness in a hearing like this can cause a lot of confusion and raise a lot of issues that muddy the original purpose of the hearing. Hostile cross examination needs to be reserved for the actual court proceedings. In hearings, plaintiffs usually seek evidence needed from another source before getting a subpoena for a reluctant witness. Remember, the "hearing" is not a trial. It's a time to make arguments on the merits of the case so the court will accept the case, and specifically on requests the plaintiff is making (in this case- injunction relief so Vilma can play until all the B.S. is proven to be a farce.) |
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08-16-2012, 01:40 PM | #45 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
In retrospect the players should have appeared at the hearing. But I can understand the frustration of the players knowing it would do no good........Vilmas attorney should have made him attend. The attorneys have fought a brilliant legal battle. That one mistake does not change the fact that there are no facts presented by the NFL.
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08-16-2012, 02:22 PM | #46 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
Originally Posted by Halo
I did not mean make them "testify", I meant make them show up for deposition. Casual format, questions by the NFLPA lawyers.. answers by the person deposed, all sworn, all recorded.
When the trial comes around those depositions are used. |
08-16-2012, 02:42 PM | #47 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
Here's putting this into perspective again about their "pages of evidence". The Obama Care bill is roughly 2,400 pages, yet the NFL has 50,000? Well, at least these two tie in together. If Vilma remains suspended, he will have health insurance to get that knee checked again.
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08-16-2012, 02:54 PM | #48 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
Originally Posted by D_it_up
So basically what you're saying is Der Kommisar (channeling Pelosi) said:
"I had to suspend them, to see what kind of evidence there was." |
08-16-2012, 04:45 PM | #49 |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
Via twitter a few min ago....
@SportsLawGuy Goodell just submitted decleration to court saying he had decided to punish players at the same time as coaches but delayed at PA's request. @SportsLawGuy Ie, commish did not prejudge when he publicly announced Vilma's involvement. He had already determined Vilma's guilt (as he has the right to do) @dkaplanSBJ NFL has responded to La. judge's request 4 timing on when the NFLPA asked the league to defer on bounty punishment: Mar 7 is the answer. So it was March 7th but its well document that Goodell denied their request but then proceeded to wait until May 2nd to actually lay down suspensions on the players. Per Florio's article on PFT: "As Jim Trotter of SI.com reported on March 16, the NFL told the NFLPA in a letter dated March 14 that “there is no basis for delaying the imposition of any discipline in this matter.” Based on that letter, it appears that, yes, the NFLPA made the request but that the NFL actually told them, no, we’re not going to do what you want us to do. Then there’s the fact that Commissioner Roger Goodell said in an April 24 interview with the league’s in-house TV network that decisions still had not been made as to the players. “I hope to reach those decisions very soon,” Goodell said. “We have been continuing our work. We have continued to talk to players and other people that can give us a perspective. Once we have got all the information and we feel that we are in a position to be able to issue the fairest and most thorough types of decisions, we will do that but I expect to do that soon because this is a big element to me.” March 21 suddenly looms large over bounty case | ProFootballTalk NFL is grasping at straws now cuz no doubt NFLPA is going to counter that decleration with this info. |
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Re: Judge calls BS on Goodell
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